Hey, this is a days old post, stop reporting it and discussing whether or not the use of the n-word is okay or not. That is troll bait and I get why you respond once, but stop after that. The people refuting the word were pretty good under the circumstances, so I’m not locking it yet. If I removed your comment, it’s so the troll baiting won’t work anymore on anyone else.
Jesus Fucking Christ
Okay, I am dense. Can somebody exlain to me the problem here?
Yes, granted, the obvious N-word, which is not to be said anymore but some people still do and back then when this quote was said, it was a normal word to use. And she was dating a POC to that time, so it was a bad label but for referencing the situation. So replace it with Asian, Mexican, French.
But aside from that, rewritten it says: “I mean, I’d rather if she was going to fuck some guy, I’d rather have her marry an 8-foot-tall guy worth a hundred million dollars! Like a basketball player! I guess we’re all a little racist. Fucking guy.” Which in essence means: “I’d rather prefer it if she marries a rich guy, like an athlete.”
Really, I am lost.
A rich black person would still be a rich nigger. I am emboldening and writing it out right for a reason. It would override everything to a racist. Does not matter what they say and declare.
Every piece of fucking art already stated this. Black people on podcasts, in media did numerous times.
And to have it explained again is just fucking ridiculous.
A rich black persons is still a rich black person. Just like a rich yellow persons is still a rich yellow person, or a jewish or a hawaiian.
The people making distinctions are the racists.
yellow
Awkward 😬
What is arkward with this?
It is just a random color like any else.
If you want to interpret it: The default smilies are yellow, LEGO figures are yellow. It’s essentially the default neutral color.
Yeah sure, let’s pretend that what you meant.
Buddy. Asians aint yellow.
I don’t understand what you are trying to tell me?
I see you are making a connection between the color yellow and asian people.
I never see my asian friends and colleauges as “yellow people” - they are people with an asian background/genes. This is also why I feel uneasy when saying “black people” because it’s just weird. Using colors to describe groups of people is weird.
You can’t be serious. You can get any hateful, racist sentence, take out all the racist bits and then say, “Huh? I don’t get it.” Yes, the obvious N-word to describe his daughter’s boyfriend is the problem. No, it is not and never has been a “normal” word to use unless you were being a racist shithead (or, I guess, a black person ‘owning’ that word, but I can’t speak for that). If he had said “guy” instead, as you suggest, there wouldn’t be a problem as he would be just attacking the person instead of attacking a race.
Remember kids, there is nothing wrong with having a problem with a black person, so long as that problem isn’t merely the fact they’re black.
Okay, so the problem at hand is using the N-word and not the relationship of his daughter etc.
The N-word is a very complex thing, which groups of people can use it, which not, how its use and meaning changed over time, how the different writings and spellings mean different things and connotations, etc.
We are now using todays standards and meaing and socioaspects on quotes that have been made 40 (here) or maybe 100 years ago. This does not apply. For example the word “queer” or “gay” made a similar but smaller evolution or “dick” or “pussy” as other examples or “Indians”…
It wad definitely not okay to use it so openly by the time of the quote. Sure, racists have used it casually and it may have been “normal” not to be called out for it immediately, but it was not the general way of referring to black people.
Also he was very obviously being racist even without the n-word. He publicly announced having a problem with his daughter dating a black person.Personally I don’t even like to write “black people” and instead use POC so be on the safe side. To be honest, I am not sure what is the current “safe” way to address the same group of people formerly addressed as “black people”. Is it still POC? Is is negroes? Is it people with pigmented skin? I don’t know anymore and I don’t want to have a discussion because of a bad label. Maybe because of that I am more agnostic to slur language from the 80s. If you like we can create a list of aaaalll the different words that came to be, check how long they were opportune to use and are now forbidden. You can’t change history, it has to be evaluated in the context of time, culture and politics. Because someone made something bad in the past, why would I enrage myself now for that? Accept it as it is and be better today.
what about the part about being racist?
what about the part about being racist?
What part? The “I guess we’re all a little racist.”? Do you mean I should have rewritten that too? I thought about it but was not sure to what so I left it in as self-reflection. Or what do you mean?
I mean that the message is driven by racist thought and Hogan even admited it in the very same message. I don’t see it as self-reflection rather it is a projection of his own personal views onto others thus propagating racism as a norm, a given. People do this often to present themselves in a better light or reinforce their own beliefs.
Ah, I understand what you meant. I stumbled across this passage and thought “why would he explicitly mention that?” and I think I agree it sounds a bit like self-enrightening. I wonder if he used the words out of embitterment because he was unhappy with his daughter’s choice and wanted to “add one on top” or if, his daughter excluded, he would have used the same words and thoughts in a different, neutral context.
Some thoughts should just stay inside your skull, champ.
I knew he as trash but … yuck
Remember these things come in threes. Hmmmmmmm… I wonder what other major 80s/90s icons who had reality TV shows come to mind?
I wonder…
Remember these things come in threes.
No.
Made-up bullshit
Didn’t we already hit 3? Hogan, Malcom Jamal Warner, and Ozzy.
I’m counting Brian Wilson/Ozzy Osbourne/Chuck Mangione as the trilogy, although Wilson was a month and a half ago
Chuck Mangione too
Ozzy dragged Hogan down on his way to Hell to do us all a favor
I have quite a few people of the same age in mind that I’d much rather have seen dragged to hell - not that I am too bothered with Hogan
Dude pulled nearly $200,000,000 for charity giving his last concert. If he deserves to be hell, Hogan should be elsewhere.
You don’t understand, Ozzy Osbourne is not damned, he is there simply because he wants to trip crazy train with Allister Crowley
It’s not that Ozzy deserves to be in hell. It’s because, being the Prince of Darkness, he bought some nice real estate there.
He’s one of the ones that can come and go as he pleases
Ozzy would be there because it’s metal, Hogan would be there to suffer.
Ozzy once played a wise badass in a game about ruling hell, Brütal Legend. This is him now aha
That was a fun game. Not a good game, but one with an amazing premise. Gotta re-watch some lets plays.
Metal, Noise, Blood, and Fire tell me what you most desire.
If we’re doing “old guys with reality shows in the early 2000s”, I know a person that would complement this specific rule of three very well.
Don’t put him in hell or it’s going to kill the vibe down there. Shove him in heaven with all the other insufferable dicks.
I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun, darlin’ only the good die young.
(Which, if no one’s noticed, is about a guy trying to get in the pants of a Catholic school girl.)
Jesus Christ. I did a deep web search & I’m seeing this comes from a transcript from 1985. Apparently. IIRC that word only dropped out of favor with the OJ Simpson trials around 1990.
…not trying to excuse it, because goddamn that is some racist & hateful nonsense. Very concentrated. But for the internet kiddos that don’t know the past very well, and don’t research…I figured I’d supply some context for you all. Hateful by any context right there.
Not even from my time, I wasn’t even born yet.
Homie, IDK what dark corner of the web you found yourself on when doing your research, but take it from someone who was there. That word was a big No-No WELL before 1990.
I would certainly hope so. Favor is the wrong word to use…its use was so heavily discouraged that, around 1990 with the OJ Simpson trials, it finally dropped out of most people’s common vernacular & was not even referred to in media. Then referred to as “the n-word”.
I’m curious where you got this impression from?
That’s been the media narrative for years & years, they always tie in some cop dragging OJ Simpson off & calling him a n-gger. Then it was like a switch was flipped & everyone was like, you know what…we’re done even reporting this… let’s call it the n-word.
Here, I promise, I am randomly pulling an example. 8:01 AM my time. By 8:02, I found this 2nd result, How OJ Simpson created the n-word. No, I am not researching this further, in the same way that I’m not popping my head outside to confirm the sky is blue. I pass the torch…to you. I found it in 1 minute by searching “OJ Simpson n-word”. Over 20 years, I have casually seen this connection cited dozens of times.
Also in my own defense, I was posting this at 3 AM & clearly no one’s on my wavelength. So I went to bed. It’s now 8 AM & I’m going to work. OJ Simpson n-word. Have fun. 👍👍👍👍
I’ve never seen mainstream media pushing that narrative. It should be a huge red flag to you if the only source you can find that supports your belief is on social media (yes, YouTube is social media).
“It should be a huge red flag” that you can’t be bothered to web search OJ Simpson N-word, search specifically for news articles, and look at the dozens of results that pop up. Huge red flag. Multiple red flags. Perhaps even banner sized red flags.
That’s simply incorrect. Nothing changed in 1990. Since before I was born (1974) non-racist white people did not use that word. It’s possible that some news outlets updated their style guides around that time to completely forbid that word in any context, but it was most certainly not something your average person would just drop into conversations, and definitely not something a publication would just casually throw out. I’m telling you- I was there, I was alive then. I remember.
Hell I grew up in a town that was super racist among the older generation, and even there I never heard that word said in school. If someone had they would have had their asses beat (we still had corporal punishment, that’s how long ago this was).
You know who always resented the use of that word?
Black people.
Not just black people either, my mom heard my brother and I call each other that (we’re white) and boxed our ears. I was like 5 years old so this was around 1979. She explained to us what racism was and why it’s wrong to say that. I haven’t used that word since.
You must be new to rap.
I’m not doing this anymore. This is not the nineties anymore, and there is no way even the whitest motherfucker alive is putting that argument forward in good faith.
These are the words of black motherfuckers from that aera, see my post below about PRT. If that word is still used nowadays by black motherfuckers is homework for you; I don’t care as they would get the pass of “but theeey may use it, white motherfuckers don’t”, which is also racist, but in todays time, not 40 years ago and we all should have evolved in the meantime.
“but theeey may use it, white motherfuckers don’t”
You can use it all you want. You’ll just be telling people you are a racist piece of shit. Which, let’s be honest, you seem to be. So everything works out in the end.
Honestly, I again am lost. Where have I acted as a racist? People really seem to misinterpret me. (waiting for “no, we are not misinterpreting you, you are just a racist asshole yadda yadda”).
Again: I don’t care about color, black, green, blue, white, purple. I don’t care. Treat everyone the same, done. It’s much easier anyway.
Oh we’ve reached the “purple” stage of the debate. We are now officially in the late nineties.
Rappers don’t use that word, they use a word that sounds similar but has an entirely different meaning. You must be new to the world if you think they mean the same thing.
Maybe Hogan used that word instead of the N-word and the transcript is just wrong. Maybe they were close friends.
Poor Righteous Teachers (often shortened to PRT), were a pro-black hip-hop group active from the late ‘80s to early 2000s, founded by the rapper Wise Intelligent, backup vocalist Culture Freedom and producer Father Shaheed (deceased in 2014).
https://genius.com/Poor-righteous-teachers-conscious-style-lyrics
There’s niggas is lacking over there, niggas is lacking over here Some niggas is dying over here, and niggas is dying over there
You’re right - it’s niggas! Heureka, finally a safe N-word to use.
You should have explained to your mom you were using “niggas”, as in he sense of brother or close friend.
Are you really this stupid? First of all that isn’t the word we were using, and I wouldn’t have tried to weasel out of deserved punishment at any rate. The lessons my mom taught me made me the man I am today and I cherish every one of them.
If you can’t understand that the context changes depending on who is saying it, how they are saying it, and the intent behind saying it- I feel sorry for you.
Feel free to remain ignorant or racist or whatever your issue is though, you do you.
You made the distinction between the N-word and the word that rappers use (without naming it so I am still at a guess but I try to follow your argumentation).
So if you used the N-word, you deserve punishment, correct.
But that shows me you wanted to be bad and evil, which, again, legitimates the punishment and using the legitimate word in that situation would be weasling out, correct.
So I conclude your intent was to be an asshole by using the N-word. Thanks for clearing that up. I was not personally available in your private situation you lived through, so I am maybe missing some details.
Now could you name me the available not-N-word you spoke of, because that would interest me.
Have you ever asked yourself why it’s so important to you to be able to use that particular word?
Are you serious? I think 99.9% of the time it is being used by them.
Bro, that word was taboo before my time, and i was born in the 70s.
if you didn’t before, now you know why he was campaigning for mango mussolini
I guess we’re all a little racist.
Cope. Racists simply can’t imagine that being a hateful bigot makes them a bad person- so they HAVE to pretend that everyone feels that way but we just keep it quiet.
I had a co-worker who insisted he wasn’t racist, but he did hate ‘Sand-Nwords’. He said “Everybody hates one group or another”. He refused to believe that I hate literally no one in the world because of their race.
sand-nwords? What would that be? A slur for the nomads of the Saharra? Bedouines?
You’re going to have to research that on your own. I didn’t ask for clarification and I don’t care to know what he meant tbh.
This was a derogatory term for middle easterners that cropped up (to my awareness, anyway, and I don’t care to go searching around to fact check myself on this point) in the xenophobia following 9/11.
Seems like it would be for anyone brown tbh. Y’no, cause racists think all brown people lve in the desert.
Yeah, this is straight up “I have a black friend” and citing the wealthy basketball payer as worthy is “You’re one of the good ones.”
Bet if questioned publicly he’d have said he’s not racist.
He tried to walk it back after facing the consequences- who knows if it was genuine or an attempt to salvage his reputation.
“Eight years ago I used offensive language during a conversation. It was unacceptable for me to have used that offensive language; there is no excuse for it; and I apologize for having done it. This is not who I am. I believe very strongly that every person in the world is important and should not be treated differently based on race, gender, orientation, religious beliefs or otherwise. I am disappointed with myself that I used language that is offensive and inconsistent with my own beliefs.”
Sounds like a generic, well-edited apology that we hear far too often from people that usually don’t mean it.
For sure. I don’t believe it was genuine personally.
Isn’t it so crazy how these people talking casually among their friends is never “who they are” but them walking it back via a publicist because it hurt them is who they actually are?
Just sooo crazy! And the one and only time they’re talking like “someone they’re not” someone happens to be recording it and it’s bad for their career! The world sure is a crazy place
Yeah weird that. The only reason I gave him the slightest benefit of the doubt was because it had been 8 years and people can change a lot in that amount of time. They usually don’t, but it’s possible. I guess a generic publicist written apology is better than doubling down on your ignorance, but I’m almost certain it was simply to protect ‘the brand’.
It’s kind of fitting in a way that he turned out to be a chud. I was never huge into wrestling, but there was a couple of years there between 4 and 6th grade that I would watch it, Hulk was my favorite because he had a positive message and seemed to be a decent guy. His theme song “I am a real American, fight for the rights of every man” resonated with me because I was young enough and ignorant enough to believe in ‘America’ and that it was founded on everyone being equal. As I got better informed and saw that this country was built upon White Men being equal, and everyone else is treated as a subhuman- I realized that the American Dream was a lie and this country was built upon white supremacy, slavery, and genocide. So to find out ol dude was ‘A real American’ after all is just icing on the ironic cake.
Never look up to anyone. Be your own hero.
it had been 8 years and people can change a lot in that amount of time. They usually don’t, but it’s possible
If you don’t change after 8 years, there’s something wrong with you. That’s literally long enough to replace most of the cells and atoms in your body, you shouldn’t LITERALLY be the same person on a molecular level.
And yet very often people will replace all the atoms and most of the cells in their bodies, and still hold on to ignorant, hateful thinking.
If only it were a matter of waiting long enough the world would be a paradise by now.
The brain is like a muscle, you have to use it for it to grow. Unfortunately there’s no steroids you can take as a shortcut, you have to put in the work. 💪 🧠
I can’t imagine not using your brain for 8 yea… remembers there are people who voted for Trump the first time, saw his term, and proceeded to vote for him again despite how Trump handled Covid and how we had to get rid of him to end it.
Okay you got me
I mean, he had a point.
Just kidding, he was a piece of shit
Rest in Piss
Gawker media died for this post.
nothing of value was lost back then either, they kept pushing bs clickbait and calling it journualism
BS clickbait is annoying, but it shouldn’t be made literally illegal.
Gawker was found civilly liable for defamation after publishing details from Hulk Hogan’s sex tape. They also published a recording of the quote in the OP, I don’t remember if it was from that tape or a separate incident. The size of the judgement against them basically bankrupted the company.
BS clickbait is, for better or worse, still completely legal.
They also defied the court order to take it down by republishing the video in an article titled something like “the court wants to bury this but we refuse”.
While racist, yes, it’s funny how money appears to be the bigger issue to him. Sounds like he would be cool with Diddy.
My response when told…Oh no, a dead racist.
She had two white kids. So, I guess she took this one to heart.
