Okay, I am dense. Can somebody exlain to me the problem here?
Yes, granted, the obvious N-word, which is not to be said anymore but some people still do and back then when this quote was said, it was a normal word to use. And she was dating a POC to that time, so it was a bad label but for referencing the situation.
So replace it with Asian, Mexican, French.
But aside from that, rewritten it says: “I mean, I’d rather if she was going to fuck some guy, I’d rather have her marry an 8-foot-tall guy worth a hundred million dollars! Like a basketball player! I guess we’re all a little racist. Fucking guy.”
Which in essence means: “I’d rather prefer it if she marries a rich guy, like an athlete.”
What part? The “I guess we’re all a little racist.”? Do you mean I should have rewritten that too? I thought about it but was not sure to what so I left it in as self-reflection.
Or what do you mean?
I mean that the message is driven by racist thought and Hogan even admited it in the very same message. I don’t see it as self-reflection rather it is a projection of his own personal views onto others thus propagating racism as a norm, a given. People do this often to present themselves in a better light or reinforce their own beliefs.
Ah, I understand what you meant. I stumbled across this passage and thought “why would he explicitly mention that?” and I think I agree it sounds a bit like self-enrightening. I wonder if he used the words out of embitterment because he was unhappy with his daughter’s choice and wanted to “add one on top” or if, his daughter excluded, he would have used the same words and thoughts in a different, neutral context.
A rich black person would still be a rich nigger. I am emboldening and writing it out right for a reason. It would override everything to a racist. Does not matter what they say and declare.
Every piece of fucking art already stated this. Black people on podcasts, in media did numerous times.
And to have it explained again is just fucking ridiculous.
I don’t understand what you are trying to tell me?
I see you are making a connection between the color yellow and asian people.
I never see my asian friends and colleauges as “yellow people” - they are people with an asian background/genes. This is also why I feel uneasy when saying “black people” because it’s just weird. Using colors to describe groups of people is weird.
You can’t be serious. You can get any hateful, racist sentence, take out all the racist bits and then say, “Huh? I don’t get it.” Yes, the obvious N-word to describe his daughter’s boyfriend is the problem. No, it is not and never has been a “normal” word to use unless you were being a racist shithead (or, I guess, a black person ‘owning’ that word, but I can’t speak for that). If he had said “guy” instead, as you suggest, there wouldn’t be a problem as he would be just attacking the person instead of attacking a race.
Remember kids, there is nothing wrong with having a problem with a black person, so long as that problem isn’t merely the fact they’re black.
Okay, so the problem at hand is using the N-word and not the relationship of his daughter etc.
The N-word is a very complex thing, which groups of people can use it, which not, how its use and meaning changed over time, how the different writings and spellings mean different things and connotations, etc.
We are now using todays standards and meaing and socioaspects on quotes that have been made 40 (here) or maybe 100 years ago. This does not apply. For example the word “queer” or “gay” made a similar but smaller evolution or “dick” or “pussy” as other examples or “Indians”…
It wad definitely not okay to use it so openly by the time of the quote. Sure, racists have used it casually and it may have been “normal” not to be called out for it immediately, but it was not the general way of referring to black people.
Also he was very obviously being racist even without the n-word. He publicly announced having a problem with his daughter dating a black person.
Personally I don’t even like to write “black people” and instead use POC so be on the safe side. To be honest, I am not sure what is the current “safe” way to address the same group of people formerly addressed as “black people”. Is it still POC? Is is negroes? Is it people with pigmented skin? I don’t know anymore and I don’t want to have a discussion because of a bad label. Maybe because of that I am more agnostic to slur language from the 80s. If you like we can create a list of aaaalll the different words that came to be, check how long they were opportune to use and are now forbidden. You can’t change history, it has to be evaluated in the context of time, culture and politics. Because someone made something bad in the past, why would I enrage myself now for that? Accept it as it is and be better today.
Okay, I am dense. Can somebody exlain to me the problem here?
Yes, granted, the obvious N-word, which is not to be said anymore but some people still do and back then when this quote was said, it was a normal word to use. And she was dating a POC to that time, so it was a bad label but for referencing the situation. So replace it with Asian, Mexican, French.
But aside from that, rewritten it says: “I mean, I’d rather if she was going to fuck some guy, I’d rather have her marry an 8-foot-tall guy worth a hundred million dollars! Like a basketball player! I guess we’re all a little racist. Fucking guy.” Which in essence means: “I’d rather prefer it if she marries a rich guy, like an athlete.”
Really, I am lost.
what about the part about being racist?
What part? The “I guess we’re all a little racist.”? Do you mean I should have rewritten that too? I thought about it but was not sure to what so I left it in as self-reflection. Or what do you mean?
I mean that the message is driven by racist thought and Hogan even admited it in the very same message. I don’t see it as self-reflection rather it is a projection of his own personal views onto others thus propagating racism as a norm, a given. People do this often to present themselves in a better light or reinforce their own beliefs.
Ah, I understand what you meant. I stumbled across this passage and thought “why would he explicitly mention that?” and I think I agree it sounds a bit like self-enrightening. I wonder if he used the words out of embitterment because he was unhappy with his daughter’s choice and wanted to “add one on top” or if, his daughter excluded, he would have used the same words and thoughts in a different, neutral context.
Some thoughts should just stay inside your skull, champ.
A rich black person would still be a rich nigger. I am emboldening and writing it out right for a reason. It would override everything to a racist. Does not matter what they say and declare.
Every piece of fucking art already stated this. Black people on podcasts, in media did numerous times.
And to have it explained again is just fucking ridiculous.
A rich black persons is still a rich black person. Just like a rich yellow persons is still a rich yellow person, or a jewish or a hawaiian.
The people making distinctions are the racists.
Awkward 😬
What is arkward with this?
It is just a random color like any else.
If you want to interpret it: The default smilies are yellow, LEGO figures are yellow. It’s essentially the default neutral color.
Buddy. Asians aint yellow.
I don’t understand what you are trying to tell me?
I see you are making a connection between the color yellow and asian people.
I never see my asian friends and colleauges as “yellow people” - they are people with an asian background/genes. This is also why I feel uneasy when saying “black people” because it’s just weird. Using colors to describe groups of people is weird.
Yeah sure, let’s pretend that what you meant.
You can’t be serious. You can get any hateful, racist sentence, take out all the racist bits and then say, “Huh? I don’t get it.” Yes, the obvious N-word to describe his daughter’s boyfriend is the problem. No, it is not and never has been a “normal” word to use unless you were being a racist shithead (or, I guess, a black person ‘owning’ that word, but I can’t speak for that). If he had said “guy” instead, as you suggest, there wouldn’t be a problem as he would be just attacking the person instead of attacking a race.
Remember kids, there is nothing wrong with having a problem with a black person, so long as that problem isn’t merely the fact they’re black.
Okay, so the problem at hand is using the N-word and not the relationship of his daughter etc.
The N-word is a very complex thing, which groups of people can use it, which not, how its use and meaning changed over time, how the different writings and spellings mean different things and connotations, etc.
We are now using todays standards and meaing and socioaspects on quotes that have been made 40 (here) or maybe 100 years ago. This does not apply. For example the word “queer” or “gay” made a similar but smaller evolution or “dick” or “pussy” as other examples or “Indians”…
It wad definitely not okay to use it so openly by the time of the quote. Sure, racists have used it casually and it may have been “normal” not to be called out for it immediately, but it was not the general way of referring to black people.
Also he was very obviously being racist even without the n-word. He publicly announced having a problem with his daughter dating a black person.
Personally I don’t even like to write “black people” and instead use POC so be on the safe side. To be honest, I am not sure what is the current “safe” way to address the same group of people formerly addressed as “black people”. Is it still POC? Is is negroes? Is it people with pigmented skin? I don’t know anymore and I don’t want to have a discussion because of a bad label. Maybe because of that I am more agnostic to slur language from the 80s. If you like we can create a list of aaaalll the different words that came to be, check how long they were opportune to use and are now forbidden. You can’t change history, it has to be evaluated in the context of time, culture and politics. Because someone made something bad in the past, why would I enrage myself now for that? Accept it as it is and be better today.