• CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe
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    6 months ago

    Jesus Christ. I did a deep web search & I’m seeing this comes from a transcript from 1985. Apparently. IIRC that word only dropped out of favor with the OJ Simpson trials around 1990.

    …not trying to excuse it, because goddamn that is some racist & hateful nonsense. Very concentrated. But for the internet kiddos that don’t know the past very well, and don’t research…I figured I’d supply some context for you all. Hateful by any context right there.

    Not even from my time, I wasn’t even born yet.

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          6 months ago

          I’m not doing this anymore. This is not the nineties anymore, and there is no way even the whitest motherfucker alive is putting that argument forward in good faith.

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            These are the words of black motherfuckers from that aera, see my post below about PRT. If that word is still used nowadays by black motherfuckers is homework for you; I don’t care as they would get the pass of “but theeey may use it, white motherfuckers don’t”, which is also racist, but in todays time, not 40 years ago and we all should have evolved in the meantime.

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              6 months ago

              “but theeey may use it, white motherfuckers don’t”

              You can use it all you want. You’ll just be telling people you are a racist piece of shit. Which, let’s be honest, you seem to be. So everything works out in the end.

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                6 months ago

                Honestly, I again am lost. Where have I acted as a racist? People really seem to misinterpret me. (waiting for “no, we are not misinterpreting you, you are just a racist asshole yadda yadda”).

                Again: I don’t care about color, black, green, blue, white, purple. I don’t care. Treat everyone the same, done. It’s much easier anyway.

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                  6 months ago

                  Oh we’ve reached the “purple” stage of the debate. We are now officially in the late nineties.

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                    6 months ago

                    Let me ask you, do you have anything to add besides judging snipping etc. Do you have arguments we can talk about?

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          6 months ago

          Rappers don’t use that word, they use a word that sounds similar but has an entirely different meaning. You must be new to the world if you think they mean the same thing.

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            6 months ago

            Maybe Hogan used that word instead of the N-word and the transcript is just wrong. Maybe they were close friends.

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            6 months ago

            Poor Righteous Teachers (often shortened to PRT), were a pro-black hip-hop group active from the late ‘80s to early 2000s, founded by the rapper Wise Intelligent, backup vocalist Culture Freedom and producer Father Shaheed (deceased in 2014).

            https://genius.com/Poor-righteous-teachers-conscious-style-lyrics

            There’s niggas is lacking over there, niggas is lacking over here Some niggas is dying over here, and niggas is dying over there

            You’re right - it’s niggas! Heureka, finally a safe N-word to use.

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            6 months ago

            You should have explained to your mom you were using “niggas”, as in he sense of brother or close friend.

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              6 months ago

              Are you really this stupid? First of all that isn’t the word we were using, and I wouldn’t have tried to weasel out of deserved punishment at any rate. The lessons my mom taught me made me the man I am today and I cherish every one of them.

              If you can’t understand that the context changes depending on who is saying it, how they are saying it, and the intent behind saying it- I feel sorry for you.

              Feel free to remain ignorant or racist or whatever your issue is though, you do you.

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                You made the distinction between the N-word and the word that rappers use (without naming it so I am still at a guess but I try to follow your argumentation).

                So if you used the N-word, you deserve punishment, correct.

                But that shows me you wanted to be bad and evil, which, again, legitimates the punishment and using the legitimate word in that situation would be weasling out, correct.

                So I conclude your intent was to be an asshole by using the N-word. Thanks for clearing that up. I was not personally available in your private situation you lived through, so I am maybe missing some details.

                Now could you name me the available not-N-word you spoke of, because that would interest me.

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                    No, it’s not important to me and I would not use it. For me color of skin is not important. What happens however is other people use words, then people react to it, 40 years later, and we all have a discussion about that word, so of course I have to address the word.

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        Not just black people either, my mom heard my brother and I call each other that (we’re white) and boxed our ears. I was like 5 years old so this was around 1979. She explained to us what racism was and why it’s wrong to say that. I haven’t used that word since.

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      6 months ago

      Homie, IDK what dark corner of the web you found yourself on when doing your research, but take it from someone who was there. That word was a big No-No WELL before 1990.

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        6 months ago

        I would certainly hope so. Favor is the wrong word to use…its use was so heavily discouraged that, around 1990 with the OJ Simpson trials, it finally dropped out of most people’s common vernacular & was not even referred to in media. Then referred to as “the n-word”.

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          That’s simply incorrect. Nothing changed in 1990. Since before I was born (1974) non-racist white people did not use that word. It’s possible that some news outlets updated their style guides around that time to completely forbid that word in any context, but it was most certainly not something your average person would just drop into conversations, and definitely not something a publication would just casually throw out. I’m telling you- I was there, I was alive then. I remember.

          Hell I grew up in a town that was super racist among the older generation, and even there I never heard that word said in school. If someone had they would have had their asses beat (we still had corporal punishment, that’s how long ago this was).

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            That’s been the media narrative for years & years, they always tie in some cop dragging OJ Simpson off & calling him a n-gger. Then it was like a switch was flipped & everyone was like, you know what…we’re done even reporting this… let’s call it the n-word.

            Here, I promise, I am randomly pulling an example. 8:01 AM my time. By 8:02, I found this 2nd result, How OJ Simpson created the n-word. No, I am not researching this further, in the same way that I’m not popping my head outside to confirm the sky is blue. I pass the torch…to you. I found it in 1 minute by searching “OJ Simpson n-word”. Over 20 years, I have casually seen this connection cited dozens of times.

            Also in my own defense, I was posting this at 3 AM & clearly no one’s on my wavelength. So I went to bed. It’s now 8 AM & I’m going to work. OJ Simpson n-word. Have fun. 👍👍👍👍