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Non-Latinx/Latine people DNI
What is your personal preference?
As someone outside of the community, I personally find “Latine” to make more sense. It fits with the vocalization of “Latino” or “Latina”, and the -e suffix is an established neutral term
Personally, I find “Latinx” to feel very artificially added. Its pronunciation as “lah-tin-ex” or “lah-tinks” seems very anglicized imo, and doesn’t feel like it really fits within the Spanish language
But I thought I’d seek the opinion of people within the community
So please, share your thoughts down below 💜
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Well, you’ve now caught on to the fact that any C/ that shows up in any given feed is open territory, and only mods/admins can decide if a “don’t interact” request has to be honored.
And, you seem to have discovered that the subject isn’t as limited as the question you asked, because the question was flawed to begin with. You didn’t include the actual, current, formal word in your list. You’re assuming that it’s a done deal. It isn’t, and if you knew any Latino people well enough for this to matter, you’d know it isn’t and wouldn’t be asking.
You also seem to have found out that your opinion about it being presented after asking anyone that isn’t latino to butt out is tone deaf as hell. Oh, nobody had mentioned that yet?
Here’s a hard truth. In Spanish, there is a distinction between hombres latino and Latinos (and gods, I hope I got the grammar right on that, if not y’all Spanish speakers that didn’t fail multiple classes please make fun of it while you correct me). For the most part, there is an already present way in formal Spanish to deal with gender neutrality. White folk just don’t like it because they never bother to ask a native speaker how the language works.
Now, obviously, personal preferences are going to form now that these new versions have come up. But I gotta warn you that if you try and pull the latinx/e shit without knowing the person’s take on it ahead of time, you’re going to look like an idiot.
Seriously, pack it in homie. You tried, you even likely tried for the right reasons. But you don’t get it.
damn, that’s crazy.
I ain’t reading all that
If you don’t want everyone to respond, don’t make a public post. You don’t get to pick who interacts with your public post.
Also Latino, Latin American, or Hispanic are the words used by Spanish speakers.
As someone who used Latinx in a Lemmy post and then was down voted to oblivion, just go Latino or Latina. But good on you for asking people how they’d like to be called.
I had the exact same experience. Didn’t even know it was so disliked at the time
Latine
Latinx is a bastardization of the Spanish language . Majority of Latinos hate it.
That whole push in late 2010s was artificial.
Nobody asked for it and the target group thought it was weird since they got their own language that covers gender neutral situations very well.
First time hearing this term brought in years tho
Didn’t realize people are still pushing its usage.
I’m Latin American, I’ve seen some people use Latinx here, but I personally prefer Latine because it rolls off the tongue much easier. Ideally though, I’d personally rather be called Latin American to avoid the pronoun altogether. Again, though, that’s a personal preference of mine - in languages with gendered pronouns, I personally prefer avoiding using pronouns toward myself altogether as much as possible.
At least in my experience, it’s not really uniformly decided and also became a Culture War thing in here as well.
Neither, use “Latino”, that’s the gender neutral form.
Or if you don’t want to use it and don’t want to follow Spanish rules then follow English rules and use “Latin”.“Latin” is the answer, yes.
Latinx doesn’t work and it’s embarrassing to force it. Latine at least kind of sounds right, but what are we doing here? If you’re speaking English and don’t want to say Latino or Latina, you can just say Latin American. In Spanish if an individual says they want to be referred to as latine then you should respect that. Otherwise, latinos is fine for a mixed gender group.
The issue, at least as far as I understand it, is that “Latino” as a general term irks people.
It’s like referring to humans as “men’ instead of “people”. It contributes to a sense of patriarchal dominance.
Personally, when I refer to humans as a group, I say “people”, not “man” or “men”.
With a lot of ethnicities, the terms are neutral. Caucasians are Caucasians. Asians are Asians, African Americans are African Americans, etc.
But “Latino” is a gendered term by its very nature. This is why a lot of people have started using “Latinx” or “Latine”.
The issue is that you’ve made an assumption about an entire culture based on your own external experiences, and when confronted with opinions beyond your limited view, you ignore them because they don’t immediately make sense to you.
Sounds familiar.
Does using “mankind” to refer to humans offend you? Genuine question.
I’ve heard (debated) etymology that “man” is gender neutral because in older English, “male” would have been “wereman” and “female” would have been “wifman,” so the “man” morpheme just designated “human” and the prefix designated the gender.
Which does imply that "were"wolves are exclusively male, and a female wolf person really should be called a wifwolf.
OP you’ve made the mistake of presuming the world at large knows what DNI stands for.
I’m also in the “stop butchering my language” camp, however I see you don’t mean using Latine or Latinx as a replacement for Latino and Latina in general. You are asking whether non-binary people prefer Latinx or Latine in their personal ID documents. Which is one of the few cases I think using the term is justified.
But since I’m not part of your demographic in question I don’t know if my answer is valid. I guess Latine is at least easier to pronounce than Latinx so there ya go.
Yeah, it’s become very evident that “DNI” is not as universal of a terms as I thought it was.
On your second point, I’m not referring specifically to nonbinary folk, but rather to the language referring to the ethnicity as a whole.
With (most) other ethnicities/nationalities, the English terminology is neutral (French, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Greek, African, etc.), but the classical term for “Latino” is male-gendered.
This is why people have started to use the term “Latinx”, and occasionally “Latine”.
Personally, I think “Latinx” is a bastardization of the language, while “Latine” works within the linguistic framework, but I’m asking for opinions from the people within this group to see their preference
Well then I’m not sure I see your point- I think people should have their pronouns/gender acknowledged in their ID. Suggesting a gender neutral for everyone in a language that clearly has been gendered since its inception doesn’t make any sense to me. Let each person have whatever option best reflects their case scenario
From Brazil here. I always thought latinx was for the community inside the US. Latine follows what was decided here as neutral with the -e suffix. Honestly, initially I wouldn’t imagine that x was pronounced and was used only in text.
I’m Latin American, no one is going to take you seriously if you say Latinx, you are even going to be made fun of, Latine is rarely used at all. No one is going to get offended if you just say Latino.
I’m a white guy and I think both are pretty retarded
Literally did not ask for your opinion.
You don’t dictate what I can and can’t comment on sir
Not a sir.
Also: “non-Latinx/Latine DNI”. Specifically asked for you not to interact.
Yeah, the masculine ending is the grammatically correct form for when the gender of someone is unknown or the group has a mix of genders.
Funnily enough, in French, “latine” is the feminine form of the adjective “latin” lol
my neighbors all refer to themselves as Hispanic
Latinx is an Anglicization
But also has radical roots among the Latin American community within the US
idk i have passing complexion and little connection to the community so probably not my business 🤷♀️
E isn’t a confirmed gender neutral suffix - it’s a male/undescribed suffix. Latinx is the preferred group noun for people who don’t like Latino/Latinos (which are the old technically correct terms for gender unconfirmed or mixed groups).
