Republicans should be terrified at this point. The protests are peaceful … for now.
…nah man, they’re just itching for an excuse to roll out deadly force and mass voter suppression…
Yes wait a little bit longer to actually do something. LOL
Big kudos to the No Kings protestors. The parade for Krasnov received what is deserved, it was fucking lame.
Hahahha. I see on Russian forums - they call organization a “communal farm style”, and that it looked more like a prisoner of war walk.
Now that’s a beautiful protest. Very nice, MN!
This is incredible.
“small protest, one of the smallest. My speeches are bigger, much biggly”
-turnip
Welll… It’s honestly not that big. The entire turnout across the States was not that big. The two anti Brexit protests in London had about 1.5 million participants and Britain has a much smaller population. Most Americans don’t seem to care.
It’s the biggest protest I’ve seen in America in my lifetime. Glad to be a part of it.
There’s a little bit of a difference in the police response to protests between the two
Do you think the photo you’re seeing is the entirity of this protest? I think you don’t actually grasp the size of the US.
This is a small turnout, relatively speaking (this one was “cancelled” so I imagine it would have even had more). I went to one in a pretty centrist-right leaning town (Much much smaller than Minneapolis… Like hundreds of times smaller), and our turnout was about the same as this photo.
Go look at the turnout for Philadelphia.
I haven’t seen any nationwide estimates yet, but I can pretty much guarantee that it was at least more than 1 million people. at least
Assuming you actually give a shit and aren’t just here to sow division.
London population: 8.8 million
Twin cities combined population: 3.6 million
London public transport: pretty damn good, connections everywhere, not an insane price
Twin cities public transport: almost non-existant, insane parking prices
London police: sometimes reasonable and lightly armed
Twin cities police: notoriously corrupt, heavily armed, use constant excessive force on civilians
Mystery solved.
The count’s are coming in but I’m seeing more than 11million people protested throughout the usa.
It would be more incredible if those people were armed and swarming the studios of radical fascist media and beating the hell out of pro-trumo.talking heads.
Standing around waving signs and cheerleading shitty chants does nothing and will be forgotten in a week.
This is correct.
All this pro-violence rhetoric seems to be confusing correlation for causation.
Okay then you tell me in what scenario a corrupt fascist country of blithering idiots will suddenly decide “oh wow perhaps we should be voting for positive change for all and embrace others in an spirit of patriotic and brotherly love!”? The country has been screaming “GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS!” for a hundred years or more and continually voted to allow more money in politics, and then spent even more money and passed laws to allow more money in politics and set up an entire media universe to tell everyone that only those with excessive amounts of money are good people and are the only ones who should lead government.
How is YOUR way working out?
History has overwhelmingly shown that non-violence is more successful than violence. You do you.
I don’t think that’s true. There were violent riots accompanying every major social change in at least recent history.
And famously, it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.
Now we are debt slaves instead. Success.
I’m wary to use terms like debt slavery or wage slavery because it downplays the horrors of actual slavery.
Yeah there are certainly logistical comparisons that could be made, but like c’mon… actually being completely and legally owned would suck so so so so much worse. Just another reminder of what’s at stake if we don’t put up a fight.
Often it’s the shadow of violence that is most effective. A peaceful protest, that is safe enough for families etc is perfect for snowballing. Focused action and the threat of counter violence keeps the government in check.
Too violent, and the support collapsed, letting the police simply overwhelm it. Too passive, and the whole thing can be ignored.
The Irish troubles are a good example. Protests and marches showed popular support. While the Sinn Fein party provided a political face. The IRA then made sure that proper attention was paid. All 3 were required to achieve their goals.
it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.
Well… how’s that going?
if you confused about slavery legality in the united states, slavery is illegal.
hope this helps you.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/10/how-private-prisons-profit-from-forced-labor
It’s still kinda legal, just takes some extra steps and signatures, and a bribed judge - of which there are many.
That’s also setting aside people that are effectively slaves to low wages, unable to do anything but work with no chance for upward mobility.
Well I mean, slavery is still illegal. Black people are able to vote, hold office, own property, etc.
There’s still a lot of social injustice to solve but there’s been a lot of progress, albeit slow.
A hell of a lot better than before that’s for sure.
The lesson is to not take your boot off of the vanquished evil.
No it hasnt. Power doesnt abdicate itself because you begged
Protest aren’t begging. They are a demonstration of capacity for action.
My city has had good turnout for a few protests in the last few months, but yesterday was the first time we took to the streets and caused a few traffic jams. I know it isn’t much, but it is an escalation. It was like scratching an itch, and I’m ready for whatever’s next.
Absolutely not. History has shown that violence works. The Sufragettes protested peacefully for 40 years with no result whatsoever. They won because they became violent. The French revolution was a success because they resorted to violence. The American revolution was a success because they resorted to violence. Peaceful demonstrations don’t work, sorry guys.
The French revolution was a success because they resorted to violence.
Are you sure it was a success? How come it seems like people immediately stopped studying French history before Napoleon comes in and tears it all down?
Edit: Oh look its you. I see you.
The French revolution is a perfect example of what is wrong with violent revolution. Power vacuums attract the kind of people that will do anything for power. Not to mention the chaos and confusion that came with the actual process of revolution.
What specifically are you talking about?
Violence is far more successful, historically speaking.
it may be more successful short-term, like a king getting into power because of a coup. but if the king isn’t well liked, he has a difficult life. peaceful progress, on the other hand, brings lasting progress.
It also tends to beget more violence.
The more I learn about history, the more I learn that violence changed things 99% of the time since before the Roman Empire.
Also after
Oh by saying “since before” I meant to imply “until today” hahaha
Ah makes sense haha
Honestly “and forever” >w<
Into the exact same regime with a new color of paint?
Can you give one example where non-violence caused actual long standing change with 0 violence?
How about several?
Youre really going to post the most controversial study there is because they cherry picked data?
Please give me one actual example of where the people toppled the government and enacted change… through non-violent protesting.
Moving the goal posts yeah yeah yeah. Give me an article or proof then of 1 single thing that caused real, permanent change, like I originally asked. Not some mass “several” article.
Norway leaving the union with Sweden in 1905 is famously one of the very few times secession was done non-violently. But to be fair there was large political pressure from Swedish socal democrats that urged the king not to go to war and the Sweds and Norwegians liked each other and remained good friends and allies afterwards.
Maybe if both parties start to work on the relationship and get friendly right away, then you could maybe have a peaceful resolution in 50 to 100 years time.
Don’t do violence.
Think of different ways of non-violence and do them.
This is the picture I’ve been scrolling for. Thank you.
Was this the one I’ve been hearing was cancelled?
I heard that the protests in MN were cancelled, which seems like a cut and dry tactical misstep from protest organizers to me, but I haven’t been able to find a lot of details.
This doesn’t look cancelled.
Anyone on the ground know more details?
We all knew about the stay home advisory. A lot of folk were only more determined to gather, and there was a general understanding that if there was an attack, it would throw gasoline on the movement as a whole. Crowd energy is weird.
Plus I spent three hours making my sign.
I was gonna go but heard they were cancelled too because of the shootings this morning
According to various news reports, the suspect’s car had a manifesto, a hit list of people to target (one report said the list had a bunch of politicians, another said the list had a bunch of pro-choice activists), and apparently the car also had a bunch of No Kings signs in it. I’m guessing they thought he was going to slip into a protest and try to hurt people?
Something important to know about the two people who were shot: until her death, Melissa Hortman was a member of the Minnesota State House of Representatives; and John Hoffman is a member of the Minnesota State Senate. Both were Democrats.
And up until they were shot, the Minnesota House had 134 Members: 66 Republicans vs 67 Democrats (with one seat empty to be filled later). And the Minnesota Senate had 67 members: 33 Republicans and 34 Democrats. If the assassinations had both been successful, both chambers would have been tied. As it is, they’re only saying that Hoffman is “stable”, but there are no further details.
I’d heard it was over flyers in a car but I was hoping there was more to it than that. That’s a pretty flimsy threat to be capitulating to when we’re fighting murderous fascists, and sets a bad precedent.
I was not aware of how thin dem majorities were. That’s very important context, thank you.
I was there. The organizers were sending updates to anyone who RSVPed. I don’t like the idea of RSVPing for something like this, but I did. They announced before the event that they had cancelled any elected officials who were planning to speak. They also said something like, “If you are told that the event is cancelled, that is just a rumor.”
Several officials did speak and they were pretty epic, honestly. I don’t know if they announced the cancellation as a red herring and had everyone speak as planned, or if the speakers I saw were the late replacements. IMO this was a much bigger crowd than the first Hands Off protest.
Interesting. I’m in small town VA, and moved house today, and am pretty keenly feeling frustration that I couldn’t show up today. Searching for local actions, I landed on the base nokings.org page at some point, where there was a bright red banner saying that MN events that weren’t already started were canceled at Tim Walz’ recommendation, because the assassin was still at large. I can’t say what time I saw that, I looked for news several times today
They announced before the event that they had cancelled any elected officials who were planning to speak. They also said something like, “If you are told that the event is cancelled, that is just a rumor.”
Ah, thank you! That makes a lot more sense to me now.
I know a bunch of people who went in st. Paul, and in Duluth there was definitely people out with signs. Can’t cancel freedom yo!
And republicans think trump is loved by the world.
No, they know, but they’re trapped by blackmail or greed.
To…vote for him? Color me skeptical.
They have to keep pretending, so they remain in power. Political kayfabe.
TIL kayfabe. Thanks!
Right wingers chronically overestimate their own popularity.
i mean, consider the following:
when i was a kid, the general societal narrative was that you’re a man, you gotta be strong, you gotta not be so sensitive, certain things just have to get done, man up.
If you’re exposed to that mentality 100% of the time, and you absorb it and live exactly by these rules, then certainly you would expect to be well-liked, having fulfilled all the rules and all, no? That is why people having that kind of toxic behavior always think they’re well-liked: because they follow all the advise they were given when they grew up. so certainly, things must be alright for them, no?
not the sane ones.
So republicans think trump is loved by the world.
democrats need to stop pretending there are sane republicans.
I suppose the number is diminishing.
The number is 0.
Sadly enough people like him to elect Trump wannabes. Argentina, the Netherlands, Germany, Hungary, Portugal, Britain (look at the latest county elections).
Why isnt anyone swarming the private, for-profit detention centers? People like talking about guillotines but not the Bastille
that’s not how democratic changes are done.
progress happens because people demand that society walks in a sane direction. taking things into your own hands basically never does anything good.
We dont have democracy in the US. The electoral system is specifically set up to not allow it in any way. The masses can vote only so long is they have predetermined choices and outcomes.
Peacefully protesting Democrats serve capitalism and capitalism only.
Because if they go after any corporate entity directly, there will be guns, and death, and the survivors will be arrested for trespassing and vandalism and a slew of other crimes.
They want to be loud and safe, not effective for a cost.
Go ahead
The “you first!” defense just says you know that revolutions are gross and icky and you want someone else to do it instead of joining as A GROUP and doing what has to be done. Lone wolves are doomed to failure so the Status Quo appreciates your solidarity with them.
Love to see it
Americans should be proud of this. This is beautiful.
First time in my adult life I’m genuinely proud to be an american.
Fantastic. Great name for protests too. Go get 'em.
I was there!
Wow don’t dox yourself man
It’s too late I’ve got his social security number
ICE is on rout to send him to El Slavidore.
Proof: it contains numbers
are you a beautiful tree
I wondered if that was you! I knew you looked familiar!
Did the arrow taunt you specifically for a reason? Did you steal its tater casserole?
We do not eat “tater casserole.”
We eat tater tot hotdish.
All tater hotdishes are casseroles
Not all casseroles are tater hotdishes
Ain’t nobody ever eating “casserole” anywhere in Minnesota. We eat hot dish here. If you do make a “casserole” in Minnesota, a circle of Lut’ern church ladies will burn your Minnesotan card and make you move to Wisconsin.
But will they be Minnesota nice while they do so?
Of course. We are nothing, if not stoically nice when we exile someone.
That’s hilarious, I learned about that not too long ago. Can you give me a good recipe, I want to try one.
This is my favorite recipe, the cheddar cheese soup kicks it up a notch.
Brown a pound of hamburger. Mix it with 2 cans cream of chicken or mushroom or broccoli or whatever cream of soup you like.
Line a casserole dish with tater tots. Add your creamy meat amalgamation and spread it all over the top of the tots. Then add another layer of tots on top. Cover with shredded cheese and bake it covered with foil for however long the tot bag says to bake them. Then uncover and broil it to crust up the cheese.
This is just a base mind you. You can add stuff to it to your hearts content. Add green beans to make yourself feel better about this carb nuke you’re about to consume. Top with canned biscuits to make a pot pie. etc.
I found Waldo!
I’m proud of you.
More people visible at a cancelled protest than some ego-stroking event that happened in DC…
