It’s simple: remove the wall as well.
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Has anyone tried removing the CEO? Say a nice deserted island with nothing to distract them.
I am my own distraction
When our house is filthy I tell my wife to gtfo and I overcaffinate and just “stream of consciousness” that bitch. I will hyperactively flit from room to room taking care of a small percentage of one of the hundreds of little jobs that compromise cleaning the house. The moment I get bored or the shits about one task I just wander off and find another to chip away at. Give me 6 hours and its a new house.
Drives my OCD wife utterly mad, because it takes her 6 hours to find the right size containers for the linen press, drive to 3 shops to get enough, then decide on a font for the labels she is going to make on her cricut, print the labels and get them on the tubs and I get home to the hallway full of linen and what I’m sure one day will be a perfectly organised linen press.
Can ADHD be almost the right way to handle undesired work?
If one doesn’t want to do work, it’s straight forward to not do it. If that isn’t allowed then doing everything else is the closest thing to avoiding that work. In that sense, ADHD is either a way of avoiding to be broken or the inability to integrate work into one’s accepted goals.
How could it be possible to accept work that one doesn’t want to do?
I think there’s still a problem in that you need to do some things that are undesired in order to maintain yourself - Household chores, for example. Some things are non negotiable, and for those you need to be able to force yourself, as unpleasant as it is.
In modern society you either work or starve. There’s no adventurous alternative as would have been available before modernity.
It’s mind boggling how different the modern concept of work is from how it was for 99.9% of human existence.
I’m sure the hyper-optimization, hyper-specialization, the alienation, and the constant flux of modern work contributes greatly to the problems we are experiencing.
Even when there was no “adventurous alternative”, work was a lot more grounded in society and had a lot more downtime at pretty much any point in history.
This is from David Graeber’s Debt: The First 5000 Years. It’s an anecdote his grad school advisor told him about a Samoan lying around on the beach.
MISSIONARY: Look at you! You’re just wasting your life away, lying around like that.
SAMOAN: Why? What do you think I should be doing?
MISSIONARY: Well, there are plenty of coconuts all around here. Why not dry some copra and sell it?
SAMOAN: And why would I want to do that?
MISSIONARY: You could make a lot of money. And with the money you make, you could get a drying machine, and dry copra faster, and make even more money.
SAMOAN: Okay. And why would I want to do that?
MISSIONARY: Well, you’d be rich. You could buy land, plant more trees, expand operations. At that point, you wouldn’t even have to do the physical work anymore, you could just hire a bunch of other people to do it for you.
SAMOAN: Okay. And why would I want to do that?
MISSIONARY: Well, eventually, with all that copra, land, machines, employees, with all that money—you could retire a very rich man. And then you wouldn’t have to do anything. You could just lie on the beach all day.
My mind is a distraction.
I always tell people “I need something to ignore”
And it’s mostly true…I need background sound. And not just white noise - I need something with meaning
Put me in nature, and I’m fine. Bird tweets, rustling of the leaves - I’m at peace. I’ll hear even a squirrel hundreds of yards away, but I know what’s going on. I just need to know what’s going on around me in a way that makes sense. The creaking of the building, distant cars, muffled footsteps… Just the unnatural silence
That’s what freaks me out
I literally clutter my space in the vain hope that random mis-positioned object x will remind me to do task y. Blank wall isn’t going to remind me to do shit.
Whenever someone suggests the ole remove distractions, I get reminded of that Rick and Morty scene that’s like I NEED TO GET ALL OF THIS SKIN OUT OF MY PERSONAL SPACE. Then the character flays themselves.
Thinking about it, if this were possible, I’d probably continue picking whatever is underneath.
I read this post, then read this comment. All while chewing my fingers. I wish i could say i learned something.
I’m a little better these days. It takes a lot of mental bandwidth for a lot of time. I’ve retrained myself to just rub my fingers together or sth. Meds help to stay on it. Also lots of moisturizing, so 1) you get to do sth with your hands and 2) there’s less stuff to pick at. I’m far from cured though- managed to grow my nails out, but still get my cuticles bleeding regularly.
I had some success with N-Acetylcysteine supplements after my dermatologist recommended them. For me it was like a 75% reduction in urge to pick after 2 days of taking it. YMMV but it’s worth the price of a bottle of NAC to see if it’s helpful, imo
20+ years of unprompted advice (as in, when it’s not the topic at hand, just a reaction toy body; your advice is appreciated!) and I have NEVER heard of this, thank you!!
The research on it is new and tentative but promising enough I thought it was worth a shot. Fingers crossed for ya :]
Me sitting on the couch listening to my clock and making it go from “tick tock tick tock” to “tock tick tock tick” back and forth in my head for 27 minutes straight.
Ouch, this one is too real!
In school, because I was disruptive, I was often told to copy parts of the dictionary as “punishment.” I can only assume this was meant for normies. I would instead actually read the dictionary as that was far more interesting than writing it down.
Anyway, afterwards when I hadn’t written anywhere near enough they’d ask what I did instead of writing. “I read it.” So they’d take it away and quiz me on what was there. Naturally I was able to answer their questions as I had actually read it. Eventually they decided that the TAG program was the best way to keep me from interrupting the kids who needed the class.
Even with relaxing. Just yesterday I told myself, “Hell yeah it’s Sunday I’m having a gaming day for myself!!”
I turned on my game and sat there for 5 hours doing nothing. I hate it.
I’ve learned that my brain’s ADHD department needs the opposite. It needs constant stimulation to keep it distracted so that it leaves me alone to have some semblance of executive function.
Audio stimulation works best. I used to always listen to podcasts, but I’ve found that specific types of music are best for getting work done. (in my case, it’s upbeat energetic thrash and groove metal)
Audiobooks baby. Nothing too dense and full of symbolism. Good pulpy scifi works best for me.
Oh yeah. This does it for me too. A 20-something volume series space-opera or tactical space-war is perfect for GSD. Works great for insomnia too.
Fortunately we’re in a sci-fi golden-age so there’s lots of great stuff to keep a brain happily occupied while the body mindlessly toils. Urban fantasy is another great genre for this. There’s even urban-fantasy space-opera if that’s your thing, lol.
Trance or DeepHouse here
That’s interesting. I kind of go back and forth. Sometimes I’ve got the TV going and three other devices plus headphones in, sometimes I need everything quiet.
One of my absolute favorite things to do is just lay on the bed in a cool dark room with the fan blowing at me. It’s both for cooling down because I’m heat sensitive (completely separate medical issue) and for the sensory deprivation and recharging.
Sometimes I will still put on something to listen to, even in that case. Usually it isn’t typical music though. It will typically be a long form video of a video game speed run or some kind of asmr video with people talking in japanese.
And at work, on days I’ve stayed late for whatever reason, it gets very peaceful and productive for sure.
Being absorbed in my music while working brings that kind of peaceful productive feeling with it, actually. By occupying a certain part of my brain, it must prevent certain anxieties and distractions from getting that attention.
This! Thrash metal or some good electronic music is the only thing that helps. Chiptunes too. I can pump out shitloads of work that way. Unfortunately, ever since Teams was introduced, people keep calling me without hesitation. People invite me to (recurring) meetings faster than I can decline them. I fucking hate the post covid era. I can’t listen to music for more than 2 minutes before the next interruption.
hmm maybe headphones with transparency mode would help? you can still listen to music while having the call on speakers. just an idea, don’t know if it’s feasible
At least for myself, music is great at helping me concentrate on non-verbal tasks, but the second I’m expected to pay attention to speech or (god forbid) talk to someone, it makes it impossible too. That may be the autism causing that as well but I’m not sure.
Maybe I’m the odd one out, but I need some form of background noise to concentrate on anything. Whether that be music or someone endlessly yapping with a monotone voice in a video. Just anything that drowns out my endless stream of thoughts that have 0 to do with my task.
Excellent username really unique I like it
Same to you!
Yeah. I’m my own distraction.
