I posted the following: "I am trying to make a shower gel that has a scent but is not toxic to either humans or aquatic life. And I have a hard time finding anything for the latter. Essential oils and derivatives? Nope. Synthetic ones? Nothing. I could go the unscented route, but it’s going to be hard to sell. So, considering that most of you are better informed about this topic, is there a specific ingredient that I can use for a rose fragrance that’s truly non toxic? Thanks "
On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability. The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes. What the hell is going on there? I am going to stay here for much longer since that place is turning very weird. Also, can anyone here actually help me find a fragrance ingredient that won’t kill aquatic life when poured down the drain? Thank you in advance
Reddit is owned and operated by assholes. Don’t even try to use it.
I still use Apollo, so nobody gets a dime from me anyway.
If you’re engaging with the content you are contributing to it
If you’re posting from a third party reddit app, that might be the problem.
Can they even see that I am not using the official app?
Yes. There are hooks that show what APIs and apps the data uses as a pathway. My guess is that the mods have nothing to do with the content being removed. It is the upload verification process. I’m not going to recommend going back but posting from a browser will verify whether this is the problem.
We left Reddit because of the drama. Dont bring it over here. Instead, just place your question on lemmy
Who knows? This is Lemmy
i got shadowbanned recently, just from a simple comment removal from a mod. but the reddit-wide filters immediately banned people, if thier posts gets removed.
They may have a rule to delete any mention of essential oils automatically. Or they deleted due to the criticism of it. Hard to know which way any sub might swing.
Great questions, but Lemmy is the exact same problem: anonymous accounts
i’m not anonymouse. i’m ricky. :3
Sadly any substances related to showering are percieved as dangerous by the stereotypical reddit mod. :D
Oof even all the way on Reddit they had to have felt that burn lmao
This is the best comment I read all year. Thank you for the laughs.
Watch out. They might send an bitcoin assassin after you. One who could run you over with a mobility scooter or stab you with an insulin pen.
Hi-ooooo!
I feel like it’s always been like that. Did the mods give you a reason for removing your post?
On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability.
/r/soapmaking might have some advice. There is a lemmy equivalent [email protected] but it doesn’t look very active.
The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes.
I’ve always struggled with Reddit’s arcane rules. I rarely know why my stuff is deleted. shrugs I don’t really post there anymore, just lurk.
Probably worth sharing it on [email protected]
Just fyi, most people came here to get rid of reddit. There are a few communities that revolve around reddit for those with nostalgia. Might be the best plae to ask as much as this community is about asking questions.
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Unfortunately, the essential oils, as well as the rose water and distillate are toxic to aquatic life when poured down the drain (as the case for shower gel). These are not harmful for humans, as long as it stays on clothes, skin, etc. That’s what I found with pretty much all available products when checking the FDS / MSDS.
The SDS will be for the oil itself, not at the final concentration used in the shampoo or whatever.
Are you sure the final product is at a toxic concentration? Probably the detergent itself is more dangerous as used. That’s just a guess though.
I really get what you’re saying and obviously I intended to use a small amount to get a nice fragrance. But if enough people are going to use the product, then it can become problematic. Can I sell it then with a straight face as a truly eco friendly product? I dont think so…
Everyone who uses it will contribute to the dilution. It’s not like 1:1000 dilution from a single person’s shower becomes 1:100 if 10 people use it or 1:1 for a thousand. No, they each will use large amounts of water that dilute it down.
People don’t pour their soap down the sink (at least not for any normal uses); they use a small amount which gets washed away with a lot more water.
I’d suggest finding what concentration things are dangerous at and whether they break down organically or not. Then you can aim to keep your product below that concentration if you can so even if someone did pour it down the drain it wouldn’t be harmful. And if you confirm it will break down, you know you aren’t contributing to long-term build up either.
Make your own rose water from locally obtained rose petals. All rose petals are eventually going to fall on the ground and decay. Any toxic compounds in the rose petals are going to end up released into the environment and washed into the watershed eventually. If you use them for bath soap, you’re just temporarily using them in the path they would already take if left to their own devices. If anything, you’re decreasing the contamination to the environment, as anything that goes down your shower drain will be filtered by the municipal water treatment plant before being released into the watershed.
are toxic to aquatic life when poured down the drain
When they’re used in cleaning concentrations, are they that harmful? I see commercial products with them, so they can’t be super terrible. Drain water still has to go thru municipal water systems before it’s released back into nature.
I think they are harmful. Although I am not sure to what extent. What worries me is making a product that gets popular and enough people use it to make a (negative) impact on the environment if I don’t carefully choose the ingredients.
Since so much is harmful, you might want to go the opposite route. What is not harmful to aquatic life? Is there anything with a nice smell?
Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find anything that’s fragrant and fully non toxic. There are bio, eco and vegan claims, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be toxic…
Have you tried aquatic plants? Some of them must have a smell when taken out. That might be fun to check them out.
I don’t know if there are any pleasantly fragrant aquatic plants. I will check it out, this is a neat idea.
I hope something works out for you.
I actually checked a few options and anything fragrant is outside the water for pollinators, which makes sense. I also did check essential oils from water lilies and still hazardous to water life… the search continues.
The dose makes the poison. Anything in high enough concentrations causes problems. Essential oils are distilled from the plant and SUPER concentrated.
It’s all just bots masturbating other bots over there.
30 years ago I expected this, but thought it was going to be sexier.
The future fucking blows.
The future fucking blows.
Based on your comment that’s exactly what it’s not doing lol
Loving the reddit hate train here but to answer your question, there doesn’t appear to be any non aqua toxic rose fragrances. Even rose water can be aqua toxic. This is due to the fact that geraniol (the compound primarily responsible for a roses’ scent) is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Have you considered other light, floral scents OP?
If you have ever posted something vaguely critical of Trump, Elmo or nazis in another sub, then you may well have bots automatically remove your posts and comments on other subs
It turns out that there are plenty of people who are perfectly OK with nazis across many subreddits out there
Reddit has gone to shit
I wasn’t vaguely critical, but very clearly critical. Although I doubt it had an effect on r/ fragrance, but who knows…
It’s definitely that. I have had the “honor” of being IP banned for over a year. Any accounts associated with my ip (and there were quite a few) were nuked. I never posted anything worse than run of the mill criticism like I do here on Lemmy but I never kissed any mods’ rings either.
You’d be surprised…
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Seriously, things have gotten so bad there , the website is unrecognizable from years ago… I am sorry you didn’t have the platform to vent when needed. Hopefully here it will be better.
