• the_q@lemm.ee
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    7 hours ago

    It’s weird reading the responses talking about how much work it took to get humans fed. Folks, every other “lesser” creature on this planet has done it while finding balance. Humans are the outlier. We truly seem more like a sickness that’s infected an otherwise health host than an “intelligent” ape.

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      I mean this in the nicest way possible, but those other creatures achieve balance with nature through continuous cycles of mass die offs or constant predation. I definitely agree that measures should be taken to make humans less of a burden on our ecosystem, but following examples of our local animal friends is not an attractive option.

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        5 hours ago

        We sure are good at killing both huge numbers of humans and animals causing many of the mass die -offs you’re referencing…

        It might not be an attractive offer to you, but I don’t want to be here for 75 years as I decline both physically and mentally so some rich asshole can continue to pillage what’s left of who I am for a few more pennies.

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    Granted humanity had to work pretty hard to get the planet to grow enough food. A lot of selective breeding went into making the food we eat today what it is, and in order to achieve that you had to invent agriculture and everything that came with it.

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      I don’t agree with anarcho-primitivists, but there’s a huge gap between “mmm, those spikes are growing exactly where I threw the husks of the same spikes I foraged” and having to finance a Domino’s pizza.

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    14 hours ago

    Rich people. The answer for how things went wrong is always rich people.

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      13 hours ago

      The problem is greed, and it’s very deeply ingrained in human nature, even if a lot of humans don’t have it or control it.

      Even collectively as an species we are too greedy.

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        The good news is there are simple solutions for when people take too much from the commons.

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          Too bad “civilized society” dictates we can’t execute greedy rich people but have to let them rape our society and economy killing hundreds of millions of poor people.

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          13 hours ago

          My problems are because the rich. *

          Yet you give them literally all your money and time. *

          You are not talking about improving society, you are just blaming.

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            Yet you give them literally all your money and time

            And how do you know that the person you’re responding to doesn’t shop locally or work for a locally owned business? Some people practice their politics instead of just spouting nonsense

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              I don’t know that’s why I asked first but they responded with a meme instead.

              But I was talking more in general and not about him or her specifically, I’m starting to get tired about the “billionaires this and billionaires that” while posting it in an iPhone 19 and browsing next amazon for the next rubbish to buy, many people do this.

              I just wish we could talk about how did we really get in this mess collectively instead of blaming because no one is free of blame (not even myself obviously).

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                But I was talking more in general

                You could have made that more clear. You came off quite pointed.

                Him or her

                Them is way easier to type and it’s more formal.

                I’m starting to get tired about the…

                Lost me. People are doing what they must to stimulate their social needs. Let me say that again social needs. It’s not an option for humans, we get depression and shit. We have to buy in to the bullshit at least a little bit because that’s the system we live in, the best we can do is change it from within or start a revolution. If you’re not starting the revolution, the best thing you can do is bitch about shitty circumstances until someone with the vindication does start the revolution

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                  First of all thanks for the correction, English is not my first language, I appreciate it.

                  So… Yesterday in my country in a local forum someone asked regarding the tariffs, what should we do? Are we going to boycott the US? The general consensus more or less was that yes, that’s what we should do. Then the excuses arrived, but I’m not going to give up Amazon, nor Google, nor Meta, how am I going to give up this or that? Then other person gave them good alternatives and he was totally ignored. I didn’t feel that this was a social need, more like convenience, laziness and apathy. I mean, yeah I can kind of agree with you, there are some things I can’t give up exactly because a social need, if I give up one service I get isolated, and yeah when I get depressed I eat sweets when I shouldn’t… But what about the rest?

                  Anyway I am no one to tell you how you should live, nor I do have the absolute truth whatever that is, all I am saying is that if we buy into the bullshit (not a little, I wish it was just a little) then bullshit is what we have, and yeah we can bitch all you want about the bullshit we are in, we change or nothing will change. What did you mean when you said “change from within”? Isn’t exactly what I am talking about?

                  And to be honest I didn’t understand what you meant by this social need. Do we really need to buy all the services the rich offer us as a bait to be happy and content? I am aware that we have some needs to function in society, I’m using them all the time, but I couldn’t use it as an excuse to the extreme bullshit we are in, my colleagues in my last job complained all the time about the stress and long hours in the job and then they spent all their money in “stuff”. Is this the social need? They could work in a low stress job for less money if they didn’t spend so much money in Amazon for things that nobody really needs. But instead they were working harder to get more money to get more stuff to buy, it was madness from my point of view not a social need.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.social
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    Me: “Sorry, I gotta go get ready for work.”

    God: “What the fuck is work?”

    Me: “It’s a thing you do to make money.”

    God: “What the fuck is money?”

    Me: “Something you need to buy food.”

    God: “Buy food? I left food all over the floor for you!”

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    Credit scores are only not a positive thing for people who don’t pay their debts. It’s 100% upside for people who do, and in the US at least, it’s trivially easy to have a top-tier credit score without paying a cent of interest, provided you actually do pay back what you borrow.

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      Well, that’s not the problem.

      The problem is that the children do not inherit the Earth, the wealthiest old people demand that our access to land is earned. If we go out and live off it, we are punished.

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      Also it doesn’t grow food so easily. Many plants we eat have been cultivated from smaller, bitter, harder versions. Thorns and marsh have been cleared. Processing tools invented and made. Trade between different areas that grow different things at different times. Cultivation of billionaires to ruin everything for everyone.

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      How do you think the hunter-gatherers got their food? They didn’t drive around delivering berries to each other while worrying about credit scores.

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    Well, back in the day, Grok Mugrock decided he could grow a lot more raspberries if he had plenty of wooden posts to build all the necessary supports required to maximize his productivity. Since Grok spent all his days growing raspberries, what he really needed was to barter resources with Ughugh Buh, who could provide him with all the wooden posts he needed. Problem was, Ughugh had heard this story countless times before, and way too often he would give people wooden posts in hopes of getting produce in return, only to be burnt by low lifes and scam artists. So, Ughugh decided to confer with the electric rocks and determine score for Grok that gives a very general assurance that Grok will pay many raspberry for wood posts. So Ughugh helps Grok, Grok pays back raspberries, and that asshole Goodoo get nothing because he make promise he does not intend to keep. Happy Day until sabertooth kills them all.

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    Capitalism is a form of feudalism. A few people own everything and the rest have to work for them or starve. Get caught trying to live off the land that some wealthy prick says he owns, even though he may have never seen it, and you get punished, maybe killed.

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      What’s the matter babe, you’ve hardly touched your

      Random internet comment text pasted atop a barely relevant stock image

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      There’s literally nothing wrong with credit scores–they reward good borrowers, and for bad borrowers, a bad credit score is equivalent for them to there being no scores.

      Without credit scores, all borrowers get treated like the ones who don’t repay their debts, instead of only the ones who actually don’t.

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      Born too late to buy a house and support a family on a single income. Born to early to experience the perfection of being a crab. Born just in time to finance my rented sleeping pod with credit leveraged against future dream-embedded advertisements for VPNs revenue and die of a seizure because the implant reacted badly to my 51% microplastic brain.

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    It’s not fully that simple. A lot of food plants were artificially created through selective breeding in the distant past. A lot of the reason the world is even able to sustain the level of agriculture that it currently does is through the desperate application of research and massive effort to keep it going, to make sure everyone gets fed.

    I mean it’s not wrong, the same people giving you the credit score aren’t doing a damn thing to keep any of that going and in fact are actively working against the people who do keep it going. But the cushy type of agriculturally supported life we get to enjoy was a product of bigger scale organization and massive day-to-day effort, it wasn’t a casualty of it.

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      Even lemons aren’t real. All my life I’ve feared life giving me something that is just an artificially bred monstrosity.

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        Hey, did you know lemons and oranges are basically the same thing, just one has the left-handed version of the flavor molecule and one has the right-handed?

        It’s not true. They just have totally different compositions of a variety of the same family of chemicals, and lemons have many times over more acid in them which is what makes them sour. But some people think it, and it would be super cool if it was true.

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      That’s a good point, but it also drives population growth through less famine/starvation, which creates land scarcity, which creates (more) land ownership, which limits or stops individuals being able to forrage for themselves - which is what the meme is referring to. As you say, it’s complicated, but the way human society has developed has resulted in the majority of individuals not being able to feed themselves for free and, amongst other factors, now needing a credit score to survive!