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Finding the time is more of an obstacle, but definitely New Zealand or Australia! Love flying but just thinking about the flight time is making my butt hurt haha
Can recommend the Air New Zealand sky couch - you book a slightly more expensive economy seat and get a whole row with a special footrest that folds all the way up flat turning it into a bed 👌
Aw heck yeah! Thanks for telling me this, I’ll definitely be booking it when I go there! 😃
Switzerland. Having grown up in the coastal plains, I just have this fascination with mountains. I don’t t have the physical condition to climb one, but just seeing them up close already makes me feel things. Being on top of one, even more so.
Maybe I can do even better and do a train journey from France, and then Switzerland, then across Austria, all the way to Hungary and Romania, making sure that I cross as many mountains as I possibly can.
I saw the Alps from Germany. That would be such a fun trip!
I bet the views of the Alps are majestic from there!
And yeah! I imagine the trip would be so much fun (though a bit exhausting). It’d be combining two of the things that fascinate me: mountains and trains.
I sometimes fantasize going from the northern tip of Scotland all the way to Singapore on a train. Not non-stop, of course, but maybe going from one city to another, spending some time on a city until I get my fill, and then hop on the train to the next one. All the way until I run out of land. Maybe from there (Singapore), I can do island-hopping across Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia. Then road trip in Australia. But that’s really stretching it, not just in terms of logistics and planning. At the pace I do things, do I really want to spend like five years crawling through Europe, Asia, and Australia? Even if money’s no object, I don’t think I can do that.
Sorry for the ramble. Given the scope of the question, yeah, a cross-Europe mountain train trip is perhaps my limit (that’d be like, two weeks? maybe a month if I take my time to really enjoy each place I visit?)
If you ever get the opportunity, take the train to the top of Mount Rigi. It’s right on the edge of the alps. Turn one way, see the lowlands to the North West, all the way to Bodensee. Fahre the other direction, see a wall of mountains.
It’s not where, if money was no object, I would be on holiday semi-permanent.
Amtrak does the train equivalent of a cruise liner, where you spend about a month on a sleeper car travelling all over America. It’s cheaper than an actual cruise line, and more importantly I think trains are cool.
If money is no object you can buy your own custom-built private car and pay Amtrak to pull it on their lines.
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I’m assuming you’re talking about the All American, as that’s the main one I could find. About fifteen days, and $2400. Which is about as much as a three to five day cruise, depending on cruiseline.
Looks like you’re staying at pretty nice hotels in places like SF, NYC and LA. It looks like it’s all included, which isn’t bad at all.
That sounds awesome, and isn’t that terribly expensive, honestly. My wife and I went on a similar route road trip for our honeymoon a few years ago and it was in that same ballpark of cost, between car rental, hotels, and other expenses.
It looks like you’ll still be needing to pay for hotels for the nights you aren’t traveling. Still, not bad especially since you don’t have to deal with the hassle of driving. You just get on the train, sleep, and just appear at the next location.
They say in the What’s Included section that they cover 8 nights of hotels!
Oh, damn. OK. That’s a really good price then!
Yep. That one.
If pollution were not an issue, I would visit my sister in New Zealand. I live in the Netherlands.
I’m confused.
how is pollution an issue?
I will answer for them. Because flying from the Netherlands to New Zealand in economy class will emit the equivalent of about 4 tons of carbon dioxide. Roughly equivalent to driving a car every day for a year or so.
True, but also that flight is going with or without you so you may as well jump on
Absolutely illogical. The flight is going because you created demand for it by buying the ticket. This is exactly the same as saying, “Why bother voting? Your single vote won’t make any difference”.
This is fair. Even though I didn’t create the demand for this particular flight, I contributed to the demand for the next one.
I’ll find some wildly expensive way to travel that doesn’t cause pollution
Or go slow and make the trip the destination. I once did all of South America by bus. Very cheap! But you’ll need time.
Since money wouldn’t be an issue, I guess you could charter a sailboat round-trip. Hope you don’t get seasick.
I like that thought.
Nowhere probably. I’m not traveling because I can’t afford to but rather because I’m not interested to.
Right where I am.
Because if money were no object I’d definitely not be living in this shithole country.
To the moon! If money’s no object NASAs budget just went up 100 fold.
I was thinking way too small with my answer. I didn’t even consider the idea of telling NASA that I could fund any and every project they want done, if they just send me to the Moon
Disappointed but unsurprised to see nobody acknowledging that there might be reasons other than money for not flying business class to the other end of the world.
Wow almost like people don’t feel the need to moralize a hypothetical asklemmy question
Do hypothetical questions automatically have no moral dimension?
If money is no object, then you can find some incredibly expensive way to travel which does not contribute to pollution. So no, there is no moral dimension
This is the closest to a sensible response so far. The problem then is that it is basically impossible to spend lots of money without creating pollution somewhere up or down the chain. Because money is itself a vector of pollution. But your point is taken.
Not enough to be “disappointed” that people aren’t talking about the climate implications of traveling, no. I wouldn’t judge someone for taking a single vacation.
Bringing it up just feels like moral grandstanding. Let people have fun answering the hypothetical.
If people really aren’t interested in the impacts of their choices, why should I not be disappointed? Why aren’t you? Surely it’s disappointing. Nobody will be taking any luxurious distant holidays on a planet that’s been made unliveable by the cumulative impact of 8 billion people who don’t give a shit.
Vacations are one incredibly small factor in the overall picture. In order to combat the negative impact we’ve had on our climate we need to fundamentally change pretty much every aspect of our lives from the top down.
And you’re free to be disappointed, but just don’t be surprised when other people think less of you for trying to ruin what little guilt-free fun people can have.
I’m less bothered about being a killjoy than I would be about being a hypocrite.
On an individual level, vacations are not an “incredibly small factor”. For an average person, a single flight will wipe out all their other conscientious efforts in terms of diet, housing etc. For some reason most people are only dimly aware of this fact.
Yes, but the average persons individual efforts mean fuck all in the scheme of things. It’s not individuals that make the difference, it’s the collective effort.
Which, frankly, doesn’t mean shit in this hypothetical situation. Hypothetically you could use your infinite money to create enough carbon offsets to completely fix the climate entirely for everyone everywhere.
Obsessing about small things like that to the complete rejection of all joy in life won’t solve anything. If anything it will drive away any positive influences in your life, making you a joyless curmudgeon who can help no one.
8% ain’t nothing. I’d say reckoning with our travel habits and what we feel entitled to is a fundamental part of any solution.
Nobody is taking a luxurious distant holiday period. We’re talking hypothetically
I get that the environmental impacts are pretty significant. I looked it up and it seems like aviation is like ~3% of worldwide emissions and while that’s not really the biggest number I’ve ever seen, it is pretty significant.
I just think it’s equally unreasonable to condemn air travel in general when the alternatives are equally unreasonable. If somebody wants to go on a trip, what should they do? Months-long zero-emission backpacking journey? Never visit anywhere your whole life? Wait for your country to build high speed rail?The 3% figure is going up, up, up exponentially with no end in sight. Because right now, most of the world’s people have never set foot in a plane but they sure want to. And why shouldn’t they? After all, we do (or do we?).
That figure is in fact misleading for the purposes of this debate, because for individuals flying has a huge impact on one’s carbon footprint. That’s not surprising when you think about it: it’s similar to driving (alone in a smallish car) for the same distance, but who drives to NZ and back? The problem is distance and time. And most people in the world have never taken a plane. It’s a completely unscalable as an activity.
About alternatives, the premise of this whole debate seems to be that the only good holidays are ones far, far away. That is very debatable.
A socialist liberal democracy in the entirety of the United States.
Definitely take a boat ride to visit Taiwan at least once before any shit potentially goes down in Asia and war breaks out.
Hell, if it broke out while I was over there, it’d make things easier for me in a way, since I’d be more than willing to help Taiwan in the event of a war by doing whatever the hell they need me to as a civilian who couldn’t join the army due to my health. Wouldn’t have to be working on helping them from far away, but rather on ground.
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If money doesnt matter, why not go for the most expensive?
I would love to visit New Zealand. I’m a canuk and I hear they are like a better weather version of my country…I’ve also never met a kiwi that wasn’t a stand up person.
If money were no object, I’d book a permanent vacation to New Zealand. But a vacation into the Sun has a certain appeal too.
e: love your username btw
