• gerdesj@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    14 days ago

    Who on earth actually cares? Those 12% are probably not really wrong either, apparently.

    Can you fiddle up a weird black screen with lots of $ and # symbols? Yes, its a Unix and its probably Linux.

    MacOS is odd because I say so and because most users of it will insist on their screen being darkened and brightened at the same time. I don’t like black being rammed into my eyes.

    • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml
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      14 days ago

      Can you fiddle up a weird black screen with lots of $ and # symbols? Yes, its a Unix and its probably Linux.

      You heard it here first folks, windows is a Unix and probably Linux!

  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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    14 days ago

    macOS is UNIX, certified UNIX actually.

    But I mean, if someone had the merest impression of macOS and was very familiar with Linux and never bothered to look any further then I’d understand. Maybe they only played around with macOS a little and saw the terminal app had bash and most all the familiar tools as on Linux. It’s not hard to see why they might’ve thought it’s Linux based.

    • Matriks404@lemmy.world
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      13 days ago

      macOS is a certified UNIX, sure, but according to some 2002 specification, and if you modify your system in such matter that it will be in nearly broken state.

    • Dragonstaff@leminal.spaceEnglish
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      14 days ago

      I think 10% of people believe nearly anything. It’s basically the rounding error for a survey.

      Honestly, if you had asked me 10 minutes ago “Is MacOS based on Linux?” I would have gotten it wrong. But if you asked “Is MacOS based on UNIX or Linux?” I would have gotten it right.

      • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
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        14 days ago

        It is now, but it was bash before.

        But in any case once you start doing anything remotely advanced you’ll find the individual command line utilities are wildly different between macOS and Linux. They seem (are?) much closer to FreeBSD than GNU utilities.

          • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
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            13 days ago

            Look I love GPL to death but I’m not going to pretend that every OS vendor on the planet needs to give away everything for free.

            You can like two things at once, and in my case I love my walled garden, commercial OS for end-user stuff as well as Linux for networking gear and servers. I used desktop Linux for awhile but at the end of the day I like things like Airdrop, AirPlay and the seamlessness of it all.

            Honestly, I like BSD operating systems more so than Linux ones despite the licensing arrangements. Linux is open as hell (obviously) but it’s super disorganized. I haven’t found a package manager I like as much as pkg (especially installing binary packages and compiled from source packages side by side with shared libraries).

            Looking forward to being downvoted to hell for having a differing view of Linux than all the recent Windows converts.

        • False@lemmy.world
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          14 days ago

          Yeah, it’s always fun to find out that a standard looking util on osx actually requires weird args and syntax.

          • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
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            14 days ago

            I’m mostly used to it now. Though -r is supported in macOS’ rm command I still prefer -R and use it even on Linux where I believe -r is the preferred argument.

  • gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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    14 days ago

    Oh it’s infamous racist Bryan Lunduke. Is there no rule against posting that guy?

      • Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social
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        14 days ago

        I don’t have a list of specific instances on hand. But he was kind of a contrarian voice for a while that I listened to over a decade ago, but in 2016 went in the more anti-woke (anti-CRT in terms of the time) and very reactionary culture war turn.

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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        13 days ago

        Just check his video titles.

        Even without it, that snark face he uses for the thumbnails are a very big tell.

      • gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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        14 days ago

        He’s an anti-woke crusader and bigot. A large chunk (probably most) of his “content” is actually about that.

        CW all sorts of bigotry

        “Best Alternatives to Woke Software”, “Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork”, lots of shit like that.

        He loves talking about so-called “reverse racism”, he thinks white people are oppressed in US tech.

        Here’s a recent one:

        https://lunduke.substack.com/p/meta-ending-del-ending-fact-checking

        They [Meta] are allowing criticism of LGTBQ+blublublub issues, including *snicker* the statement that gay people are mentally ill […] and they’re allowing vaccine skepticism on the platform […] and it is, I’m not gonna lie, mildly hilarious.

        • a baby duck@lemmy.world
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          13 days ago

          Wow. I thought a couple of his old Linux Sucks talks were kind of funny, but never knew anything about him personally. Kind of sad to learn he’s an asshole.

        • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          13 days ago

          doesnt a free and open source operating system fit the definition of “actively attentive to important societal facts and issues” where the issue in question is not having control of your machine?

          By its nature isn’t Linux technically woke?

          • Classy@sh.itjust.works
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            13 days ago

            I mean the dude is literally Jewish and pro Israeli, it isn’t even surprising he would have an L take like that

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        13 days ago

        Ahhh give him a break he probably just forgot. If it helps, I’m sure he was thinking something horrible about somebody reasonably nice. /s

      • deathbird@mander.xyz
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        13 days ago

        He can’t chudpost every time, but I’ve listened to him talk with an open mind before and in my opinion his occasional insights are overshadowed by his self-important whinging.

  • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    13 days ago

    They share some inspiration. Same with Linux/Unix confusion.

    About 15 minutes in a terminal trying to do Linux’y things are you get completely disillusioned.

  • DFX4509B@lemmy.orgEnglish
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    14 days ago

    No it’s not, it’s based on BSD, or more specifically Darwin, which is derived from BSD, so Unix-like, but not Linux.

    Although, oddly, macOS is a certified UNIX OS so it can rightfully sit at the table with the SysV distros such as AIX, HP-UX, or Solaris, but it’s nothing like those OSes in its nature.

  • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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    14 days ago

    I would be more surprised if 12% of “tech workers” know what Linux is at all.

    Fwiw: I work in a call center as basically a more knowledgeable tech for our client facing team to rely on for help and only about 1% of them have any familiarity with Linux in the slightest.

    I wonder about the framing of this question, like another comment mentioned, it’s kinda like evolution where MacOS and Linux have a common ancestor, I could see the wording throwing people off.

    “Is MacOS based on linux” seems to be the wording used?

    I’d bet less would fall for, “Is MacOS a Linux distribution?”

    Edit: Ha some people in the comments had similar thoughts, in addition to Linux and Unix being nearly synonymous to all but those who are very into that kind of thing.

    Edit again, if anyone else is curious https://youtu.be/jowCUo_UGts

  • lordnikon@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    14 days ago

    I wish it was then it may make sense. Every time I use the MacOS terminal. It’s like an uncanny valley so similar but the more you look the more horrific it becomes. I can’t even say it’s Unix is the problem as freebsd makes complete sense.

  • ThiefUserPermissions@lemmy.myserv.one
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    14 days ago

    The video claims ada lovelace did not write the first computer program but it would kind of depend how you define what that is. If you check wikipedia it states:

    “During 1842–1849, Ada Lovelace translated the memoir of Italian mathematician Luigi Menabrea about Charles Babbage’s newest proposed machine: the Analytical Engine; she supplemented the memoir with notes that specified in detail a method for calculating Bernoulli numbers with the engine, recognized by most of historians as the world’s first published computer program.”

    From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_programming_languages

    This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?

    • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      13 days ago

      This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?

      He’s a long-standing member of the tech pundit community (dare I say the Linux community), and in recent years has been exposed as antivax, anti-woke, and a bigot. Before that he was just a confident sounding asshole with sometimes interesting opinions.

      • ThiefUserPermissions@lemmy.myserv.one
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        13 days ago

        Fair. I didnt check any of the other myths so some may well be myths. Just interesting to me that his opinion is stated as fact when its a bit of a grey area and one could easily interpret her to be the first programmer in some ways. Its not like a computer has to exist to write a computer program, for example, you can imagine a world where all computers are destroyed in an event but a surviving programmer can still write a computer program if you just handed them a stone tablet and charcoal. The non existence of a computer is problem, and a computer program written in a textbook is also valid.

        The mac osx is linux certainly is a less controversial myth.