Summary
Trump is pushing for softer language on Russia’s war in Ukraine, straining G7 unity.
Officials say the U.S. is blocking references to “Russian aggression” and prefers calling it the “Ukraine conflict.”
This shift follows Trump’s peace talks with Putin that excluded Ukraine’s President Zelensky, whom Trump later called a “dictator.”
The change in rhetoric contrasts with Biden-era support for Ukraine and threatens a unified G7 stance.
Great I wanted to suggest kicking the US out, if they want to do it themselves, less potential for (violent) conflicts.
He can try to “blow apart” G7, but since every other member state is very likely not in the best mood towards the USA, it will likely just result in the US being gone, i.e. G6 has been “born”.
it increases the number of people that want to blow up america every day. i bet americans abroad will have a hard time getting food in foreign countries where the cook did not spit on it.
That’s why you have to travel with candian gear. Just velcro that on your bag.
They should kick him out when he shows up for that threat
I’d love to ask all of the MAGA heads to just question themselves this: Why go through all of this just to help Putin. Some fucked up shit must go on that Trump risks all of this just for Putin.
Same reason the US helps Israel?
The US helps Israel because they like the US more than the rest of the middle east and the US wants control of the middle east so Iran doesn’t control it as a proxy for Russia.
So the US supports Isreal to hurt Russian interests. And is now diverting all Ukraine funds to Isreal to waste the money.
Under Biden we were on track to steal Palestine as a reaction to Putin stealing parts of Ukraine.
Now that Putin has Ukraine he doesn’t care about distracting the US through Iran and is fine having his puppet Trump keep sending their tax dollars to Isreal.
But since Trump is giving up Ukraine it is more of a trade where the US trades control of Ukraine for control of Palestine.
Sorry but what the fuck are you talking about. You’re inventing connections between conflicts that aren’t there. Russia and the US don’t particularly care about Palestine. Believing that there’s some kind of exchange where the US is ‘taking’ Palestine because of the conflict in Ukraine is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. It’s like you think all of geopolitics is the US and Russia sitting around a map of the world and both of them are ten year olds.
The US has already had control over Palestine through Israel for decades.
joe biden himself said if isreal wouldnt exist, america would need to create a proxy there to control the region.
The US-Israel alliance has been a disgusting and embarrassing debacle
It’s almost as if he works for Putin
Maybe he does.
Maybe Putin’s colleagues found out something interesting about Trump back in the days, and made him an offer he could not refuse - “go and become King of America, we’ll even help you a little, but you’ll serve us”.
Wild speculation, of course. But he definitely doesn’t have national interest burdening his mind in any way or manner.
P.S. If I worked in the Secret Service, I would use my telescope to watch birds fly and tree leaves wobble. Even if there was a remote weapons station turning towards my client, or a wire guided object coming in - I would hardly notice until impact.
it’s the pee tape
IT IS NOT.
NOBODY gives a fuck about a “pee tape”.
What’s the Pee Tape!? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier#Kompromat_and_blackmail:_Trump
Agreed. Look, if someone released a tape of trump being peed on by a bunch of underage children, it would start a trend with trump supporters and everyone would be having pedo pee parties in support and solidarity. trump could literaly blow someones brains out in the oval office on live television and no one would fucking do anything. Putin is dangling a financial carrot over trump or one of trumps “investors” that has to do with money or power and that is the only reason. It’s pure unadulterated corruption being broadcast live on a streaming service near you. Simple as that.
Advocating for murder is… questionable at best.
Yet nobody objects to fantasies about time traveling to kill hitler.
By the is logic you would condone fantasies about time traveling to kill any leader that has caused harm… that’s going to be a lot of killing.
I guess eradicating a current fuhrer is Too Soon for sympathizers. It they have something to gain from a shit stain being in control for a bit before it circles the bowl enough times to finally disappear.
Its almost as if he wants america out of a war as quickly as possible.
If America is at war via Ukraine then by the same logic it is committing genocide in Gaza.
SO YOU AGREE that Putin should leave the country they wrongfully invaded and pay for the rebuild to ensure peace.
That’s not how the world works. Might makes right.
SO YOU AGREE that Putin and Russia need their fucking asses kicked back to the stone age and Russia broken up again.
Actually I’d argue the US and the EU have had their fair share of invasions and aggressions.
Regardless, if you want Ukraine to win, other countries must joint the war, Ukraine can’t win by itself.
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You are correct that Ukraine cant do it itself. It is sickening that Nato happily took the Nordic country in super quick like but wont take Ukraine in because of the conflict that they knew was coming for YEARS
Which war is America in, currently?
Class war is the only real one.
Its almost as if he wants america out of a war as quickly as possible.
That would mean Traitorapist Trump has gone completely insane since we aren’t in any war. And Trump’s New World Disorder is going to send nuclear proliferation thru the roof. Every country in the world will rightly want its own nuclear weapons thanks to Trump.
Out of the goodness oft his heart?
Because appeasement worked so well in the past it’s bound to work again.
Blow it apart. America doesn’t belong with its former Allies.
Its clear that America has no interest in being apart of the free world, they checked out.
Now fuck off and go destroy yourselves in a frenzy over transgender bathroom doors and eggs. The rest of us still have lives to live and futures to protect.
So making peace with russia is destroying the free world, but letting Ukraine and russia have a forever war isn’t?
Of course letting a dictator invade and annex a democratic neighbour is a step in destroying the free world, you absolute muppet.
Piss off, twat.
Giving Russia everything they want and not negotiating with Ukraine is destroying the free world.
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You would suck your abusive boyfriend’s dick with one black eye because you’d be stupid enough to believe him when tells you that if you do, he wouldn’t give you a second.
Yes, because appeasing an agressor only begats more aggression.
Appeasement doesn’t work. We know that from WWII.
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What kind of dumb ass uninformed comment is this. We all want the war to end. But with freedom, not more oppression
Right?
Russia could end the war it started right now. And leave. It chooses not to.
He was giving us the approved view from St. Petersburg.
Then European countries need to fight. Ukraine can’t win alone.
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According to Alnur Mussayev, 6th Directorate of the KGB in Moscow, Don was recruited by the KGB in 1987 and given the codename Krasnov.
Drop the USA and change the metting to the G6 + California until Jan 2029.
The fuck is G7 anyway, but the face of global capitalism?
Just doublechecking my premises, there’s this from Investopedia:
The Group of Seven is an intergovernmental organization made up of the world’s largest developed economies: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Government leaders of these countries meet periodically to address international economic and monetary issues, with each member taking over the presidency on a rotating basis…
Yeah, fuck 'em, but all is forgiven if G7 has the balls to expel America.
G8 expelled Russia for the original Ukrainian invasion in 2014. If need be, I suppose they can become G6. Or honestly, in this day and age, there are many more nations whose opinions should be considered. G7 is pretty eurocentric and I say this as an European (though not a citizen of any of the 7)
The G6 should incorporate Ukraine, Taiwan, and Panama. Then extend a treaty of friendship to Blue States within America. America clearly has no (good) future, and the world will change because of it. Might as well make the most of it.
Replace the US with China
Replace fascism with… checks notes again… fascism…
What?
What? Hell no! The Orange KGB agent and Leon Hitler want the US to be like China.
It was a thought I had too, but tbh I feel iffy about China.
If China’s willing to stop supporting Russia, I could see the west sans US starting closer ties with China. That alliance would be an economic powerhouse for sure.
China would have to do a whole lot more than just “not support russia”. As a starter, they’d need to start being transparent, honest, and not censor the ever loving shit out of all information from their country. Then they could stop genociding minorities.
The G8 already included Russia and the US, with Russia definitely being worse than China, even before the 2014 Ukraine invasion… And honestly, has the US ever been any better?
It’s an economic alliance more than anything.
I figure the best way to convince China to stop supporting Russia is to give them a better option. Europe is a bigger economy and more in line with many of China’s goals. Russia is chaotic and weak by comparison.
That’s definitely true, and the thought has crossed my mind before.
Anything an European company manages to sell in China is going to be a huge boost too. It’s the damn IP laws that are a pain to work with, though. A Chinese company perfectly clones your product? Well, you’re not going to win if you sue them.
China is as a bad faith actor if not worse than the US. And that’s saying something. Moreover, they are threatening another democracy (Taiwan) while being a dictatorship. What would be the EU stance in case of aggression? Ukraine being invaded is bad, but Taiwan is fine? That would be hypocrisy at it’s worst
Even better, South Korea
That would piss them off so much lol
Kick the US out. If our democracy survives Trump, you can always readmit us when we have a president who acts in good faith. Otherwise, this shit is only going to get worse…
Unfortunately it’s likely going to take more than just electing a nice guy for USA to earn back its status as a trustworthy ally. When the country can just go rogue every four years, making threats against allies and backing out of agreements — and half of the country is so nationalist that they applaud it — you can’t really establish a basis of trust.
I wish you were wrong.
I guess I can pray for balkanization and that our further allies take pity on whatever Blue City State I end up being a member of.
Precisely this. Once this trust has been lost and the ‘G6’ face a world where they cannot count on the US, geopolicies will change and the US will not be perceived trustworthy anytime soon. As it stands, it will be considered yet another global power with anti-democratic tendencies, policies that endanger world piece and disrupt the common pursuit for prosperity and is considered best kept in check.
I’m a US citizen. Please kick us out. The more countries that take concrete action against us that actually hurt us the more likely congress and the voters are to stand up to Trump.
If you think any fact will affect the American public, you are much more optimistic than me.
Republicans will blame Soros, o Pelosi, or AOC and trump will have even more support.
That’s assuming they even pay attention to anything international other than Ukraine or Israel (many don’t).
By allowing our politicians a seat at the table you’re opening yourself up to more harm.
Isolate us, make the voting public feel the consequences of their actions. Respond to tariffs with tariffs on red states. Sanction administration official of the inevitable human rights abuses that are coming. Call out the lies of our Government openly and with evidence.
This isn’t going to change if there are never any consequences for the people who’re doing this as well as their supporters. Revoke the visas of our oligarchs, limit their travel, stop doing business with their companies. Create incentives for educated Americans to immigrate to healthier democracies and ban our social media companies before they finish poisoning your country as well.
I am hoping that if the American dollar hyperinflates, Europe will blacklist billionaires and Muskcoin, instead only offering Euros for assets among non-billionaires. That will keep Europe insulated, and maybe allowing it to take a chunk of Red American flesh. They could also allow Blue States to swap dollars for Euros at a favorable rate for them, to rig the restructuring of America in the favor of non-fascists.
The Euro could become the Dollar of the future.
We don’t want educated Americans emmigrating elsewhere. We want you to fix your shit and educated Americans are the only ones that can do that.
If you leave, the idiots are left in charge of some of the spiciest military hardware and without smart people, will probably end up using it.
The voting public seem to be pretty susceptible to whatever spin the Orange House puts on the consequences of their actions.
Do you really believe they’ll see through what Trump does and blame themselves before blaming Canada, for example?
Agreed. We earned this. I hope we gain the world’s trust again, but it’ll most likely never be like it was…
Yeah, China’s not in even though it’s the second largest economy in the world. In the 90s it almost became G-8 to include Russia, but then Putin screwed that up.
It’s not all that different of a situation from Russia being kicked out because of Putin’s shenanigans, really.
Should try to get Brazil to leave BRICS and join the G-7 club. The US could go be in BRICS bullshit (or maybe then it’d be called the USRICS?) with the other authoritarian assholes of the world.
or maybe then it’d be called the USRICS?
SIRCUS
American here: make it the G6. I am 100% serious. Trump is not your friend, and the rest of our fucking government is demonstrably inept in the extreme in terms of resisting this fascist takeover.
Yes, PLEASE! The rich fucks need to start feeling the consequences of this bullshit where it hurts. It’s the only domestic demographic that can offer enough pressure to motivate this administration to change their behavior.
Amen. Also American. Cut America off. Do not stand for this stupidity. If American voters regain their minds in 2 or 4 years, we can all figure out how to move on. If not, America doesn’t deserve your grace and goodwill when it’s showing none. Ostracize us for the good of the world.
Fucking clown.
Another American here. Yeah, we’re not Europe’s friend anymore. I hate it, but it’s true. Dear Leader has made it abundantly clear that unless you are somehow enriching him and/or his billionaire cabinet, he’s not interested in being your friend. You can hold up as many past agreements and treaties his predecessors signed and it won’t mean jack shit to him. Putin is his daddy because Putin loves oligarchs, and wants to be an oligarch sooooooo bad.
honest to god embargo us. saction us. you will do more to help our people by cutting donald trump at the knees than anything else you could do. we need help making his cult realize what they’ve done is bad and i think the only way that happens is if food gets expensive
I’m going to be honest here: I approve of your proposal. At the same time, I live in a European country with conscription that borders russia. I don’t think you understand how reliant Europe has become on the US MIC. Even in Norway, where we have Nammo and Kongsberg, we are nowhere near being able to supply a significant force with arms.
In the 90’s, Norway could mobilise and arm ≈500 000 soldiers within a couple of days. Today that number is probably < 50 000. Building production lines takes time.
In the next election (this autumn) my vote is going to the party that takes up-arming the most seriously.
It’s going to end up that way whether EU does something now or not. He’ll just pick up his ball and leave like he’s done every time so far.
I’ve come to notice that the rest of the world is already beginning to leave us behind. The realization came with the TikTok ban. Soon as I heard that TikTok could be banned, I started looking for alternatives because I was pretty sure it was going to happen. I stumbled upon XHS by accident and about a month before everyone else. I was absolutely fucking blown away by China. It’s unlike we’ve been told in almost all respects…
I really came to realize that other countries are leaving us in their dust and it’s only a matter of time before we’re not the Apex predator anymore, and frankly I can hardly blame them.
Have you uh… actually been to China? Or talked to anyone from China (in real life)? I do both, quite often. Without fail, anyone with the means is actively trying to leave. And not in a “grass is greener” way. Those emigrating to America are fully aware of the political turmoil, they’d just rather be out before it’s not physically possible to leave.
It’s unlike we’ve been told in almost all respects…
Based on testimony from a demonstrably censored platform?
I’m not arguing for American superiority or that the vacuum won’t be easily filled by other countries. But that change isn’t automatically an upgrade.
Have you uh… actually been to China?
Yes. Almost a dozen times.
Or talked to anyone from China (in real life)?
Yes.
Without fail, anyone with the means is actively trying to leave.
Have you thought about why? Ask them to describe the US. They’ve been told an astonishing amount of propaganda about the US that is all incredibly untrue. I’m telling you. Actually talk to these people that you’re “in contact” with about how they view the US. They believe that every US Citizen is a millionaire. They think we have good healthcare. They think we all live in great houses. They think we all work a few hours a week and get paid a lot for it… It’s never ending. So I mean, yeah. If you get told there are places like that in the world of course you would want to leave your home country.
So you’ve been in the last few months since you learned these great things? Or was it before Covid, when people were physically caged into their apartments?
Was it only to the sterilized foreigner hotels on business trips? Or did you ever stay with locals who had to register your passport with the local police?
Were you able to spend physical currency or was everything already hooked up to official biometric identification (payments tied to socials tied to state id)?
I’m not asking to be confrontational, but the shiny foreigner facing China of yesteryear is nothing like the domestic atmosphere of China today. Their international digital presence is as carefully managed as their local platforms.
The locals I’ve met definitely have a positive view of the US, but things have gotten very dark very quickly under Xi. Think about why they could have started their emigration at any time but are choosing now.
So you’ve been in the last few months since you learned these great things? Or was it before Covid, when people were physically caged into their apartments?
I married a Chinese national and spend a month or two in China every year since.
Look man. You need to fucking stop. You look like an absolute douchebag.
Pretty weird that you were “blown away by China” then… No need to get mad 🤷♀️
My anecdotal experience is different than yours, but everything I’ve said is nothing but facts. China is a country of 1.4 billion people and 3.7 million sq mi, so obviously sentiment will vary. But I based my opinion on what I’ve personally seen and people I’ve talked to across half a dozen cities, so I feel pretty confident in my pessimism.
Pretty weird that you were “blown away by China” then…
You’re clearly under the impression that this is something which has happened recently. And it’s not. Which is really weird because I at no point in time said anything about this being a recent thing. That’s your own bias and you’re making yourself look like a douche because you’re piling up your assumptions with each post…“oh, he must not talk to actual Chinese!” “oh, he must be one of these TikToker’s!” “oh, I bet he’s never even been to China!”
Clearly it’s a wide and diverse country. Your pessimism singularly indicates that you gravitate towards the negative–not that China is in a bad spot, but that you’re only choosing to see the bad…
My wife found XHS (aka RedNote) as well. I did not realize the extent of anti-China propaganda that I had inadvertently bought into, and like you, I was absolutely blown away.
Respectfully you understand that rednote is pro-china propaganda right? Like im not saying china is the absolute worse thing to ever exist but they know how to do propaganda just as well as the US. They have had the same leader in power for years who has been slowly collecting more and more power.
Just because the US is bad doesn’t make china good.
Do what they did to Russia, kick the US the fuck out and start calling it the G6. It was the G8 from 1997 to 2014, they can stand to lose another.
The US is literally trying to kickstart an economic depression in the US. Why the fuck would you want these guys in economics talks when they clearly understand FUCK ALL about economics? A US depression will fuck up the rest of the world’s economics as well, and that’s clearly the long-term goal.
If I recall correctly, it’s about destabilizing the Dollar and making their (China and Russia’s) financial system become the world standard…
It all comes down to money. It always does.
“The US” isnt doing anything. Trump and his scumbags are destroying everything.
When Trump does something, the party that controls House, Senate and Supreme court follows his marching orders, the richest and most influential individuals act as his lieutenants, almost half of the country agree with it, and the other half doesn’t resist or strike, then YES! THE US DOES THE THING!
The Nazis didn’t have 100% popular support in Germany. They didn’t have 50% active supporters. They had 10% party membership, even though non-members couldn’t enter a career in many fields, were harassed by authorities, and lots of people were entered into the party automatically.
Still, it was NAZI GERMANY.AND… within Nazi Germany, were real Germans who stood against Nazism, however they could…
there are a few books on that, “An Honorable Defeat” is one I’ve heard-of.
Oversimplification is anti-survival: it is just another ideology/prejudice/“religion”.
The US, the official US, is now Trump’s property, & Trump ( CURRENTLY ) is Putin’s property, & Musk’s.
I expect Trump to have a minor aneurism/stroke or something, which will remove empathy from him, completely.
( he’s fighting that personality-conversion, in my view )
But no matter how psychopathic/machiavellian/nihilist/sadistic the official US becomes, there’s good people there.
( remember that biblical thing, can’t remember who it was, perhaps Abraham,
who argued with G-D, that if there are good people there, then don’t destroy the place?
I think he was doing the wrong-selectivity: he should have been demanding that they, the good people,
be spared the destruction that G-D was about to toss on the evil…
& if it was the Sodom & Gomorrah story,
then as I’ve pointed-out before, if the angels visiting the good guy who lived there had been female angels,
& the gang-rapers trying to get in had been intending heterosexual-rape,
that would not, in any way, whatsoever, have made their intent non-evil.
It wasn’t their sexual-orientation, it was the gang-raping-angels, that made it abomination.
Anyways, back to the original message : )
Back on reddit I was permabanned from some communities, simply for posting in specific-other communities.
The Problem™ I had with that?
I’d been commenting in those other communities specifically to counter the abuse they were heaping on somebody.
So, I got judged to be one-of-the-abusers because of the venue I’d spoken in, which I’d spoken-in only to counter its abuse…
I’ve been gaslit all my life, & am fed-up with it.
Differentiate correctly, & don’t abuse the innocent, is one of the rules-of-life I live by, now.
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“The US” refers to the US government.
Nooooooo
There’s an Arabic saying that roughly translated goes something like this: Sins are wide and good deeds are narrow. The meaning is that when a large part of a group of people is sinful, just not being implicated in sin doesn’t protect you; you have to work to stop or you have no business trying to be excused from whatever punishment will come. In other words, you gotta work to stop the evil being done or you’re well within the moral blast radius. So… That’s what’s going on here; with this framework more than 99% of America is guilty.
I think the Dems are more guilty of being foolish, than of intentionally-accommodating “GEOTUS”…
Biden blocked Harris from campaigning until it was too-late, & … whatshername … Pelosi’s threat to destroy Biden’s campaign was the only thing which finally pried his hands off the opportunity…
They lived entirely-within Hopium.
They … mostly, or nearly-all, possibly-all, … aren’t going to survive the US Civil War Part2 which will erupt when it becomes enacted that there isn’t going to be any 2028 election, or sometime around then, anyways…
I don’t expect much of the population of this continent to survive the next decade…
& many have worked, hard, at preventing this…
The male-supremacists & the white-supremacists who voted against Harris, THEY are guilty, certainly…
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I mean, can’t we go back to the way that the Dems refused to see that Hillary was not popular, and how party leaders actively intervened to make sure that no one resembling an actual Dem (Bernie) got the nomination?
I think that’s really where the writing was on the wall - sabotage a popular candidate with the kind of populist support that we saw launch Trump into office, to platform someone who was probably one of the most hated women in America?
You could say that the first time Trump was elected. Not anymore.
I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but theyve been firing everyone in the government. The government is being dismantled.
Who voted for that? Or alternatively, who didn’t care enough to vote against it?
I meant the “America isn’t doing it” part. They certainly are.
You’re missing the point.
I don’t think I am.
Then you simply didn’t understand, or are refusing to understand.
From this day forth he will be known as Trumputin.
Got me feelin’ so fly, like a G6
Kick us out, Trump is not in the G7 to do anything but fuck it up. Being a self interested stakeholder is normal but he’s not self interested. He is clearly under Putin’s influence.
This just in, the known russian puppet, trump, is a russian puppet.
