• Literal@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          11 days ago

          Because the idea that a man attracted to trans women could not be straight is transphobic. Trans women are women and a man attracted to women can be straight regardless of whether they’re trans or cis.

          • EldenLord@lemmy.world
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            10 days ago

            I would argue that sexual attraction to a non-op trans woman involves attraction to male genitalia, which by definition and logic extend beyond the label “straight”. A different case would be a man attracted to masculine presenting women (tomboys), or post-op trans women, which would not rule out bisexuality, but be within the defining bounds of straightness.

            Because the visual overlap between non-op trans women and femboys is quite noteworthy, an umbrella term for attraction to both male and female identities such as “bisexual” is appropriate. Denying that is arguably Bi-erasure! I hope you understand my point.

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              10 days ago

              Nah. Even if it’s hetero, it’s probably not straight. Straightness is similar to whiteness; simply a term to say “you’re normal and deserving of respect.” It’s a normal word, not simply a descriptive one.

              Dating a nonbinary person as a binary person is definitionally hetero, but hard to call straight. An agender person and a bigender person would totally be het, but totally not be straight. If it’s not a relationship between 2 monogamous, cishet people assigned opposite sexes at birth, it’s weird and unnatural.

              Bigots can literally gatekeep straightness from a cishet woman dating a cisbi man. It’s like a tainting of her for being with a queer person, even if neither she nor the relationship is queer. It doesn’t matter if they’re monogamous for life; it’s one drop of queerness poisoning their ability to be normal. They’d need to hide his true orientation.

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                10 days ago

                You definitely have a point there, although I would say that any person with interest in cis-hetero relationships only could call themselves straight.

                Mods here deleted my comment, idk why tho. Seems like a classic case of: "bisexuality is le heckerino transphobia!!1!!1!

          • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
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            10 days ago

            True, but if a guy doesn’t like male genitalia and the woman is non-op, well, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him not wanting to have sex with her. That’s his preference and it’s valid.

            • Literal@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              10 days ago

              Not sure what that has to do with what I said. I didn’t suggest anyone should be compelled to have sex with anyone…

      • photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        11 days ago

        What makes you think there’s a trans girl involved? Could just be a femboy. Also, there’s nothing wrong with bi dudes liking trans girls.

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        10 days ago

        I think boils down to “similar optics, different gender identity”, but I’m neither of these flavors so I really don’t know. But for this joke, I think either works.

        Calling for assistance: we need a ruling here. Halp.

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          7 days ago

          i would say femboys are generally seen as not wanting to be female, just feminine. Same as how crossdressing doesn’t make you trans, it just means you like crossdressing.

          a term sometimes used synonymously with femboy is tomgirl, as a mirror to tomboy, and you wouldn’t start calling tomboys trans men would you? They’re people who identify as female but present less femininely.

          • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works
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            3 days ago

            so the feminine character is a femboy and not trans because of the bi flag in panel 2? also what’s the difference between a femboy and tomgirl?
            the more I read this thread the more confused I get 😓