While it’s very unlikely that someone has a definitive answer, this question popped into my head after the assassination of the UHC CEO and it’s been bothering me that I can’t shake off this feeling that more is likely to happen (maybe not in higher frequency but potential).
Usually I could provide counter-arguments to myself in a realism/(should I buy apples or oranges comparison) kind-of sense but this one I feel more unsure about.
I wish I had more diverse exp in systems analysis as these kinds of questions that linger in my head really irritates my OCD brain as I just want to know what’s the most likely answer.
Nah it looks like they’re just throwing them back on the streets.
Excuse me while I have a good laugh.
The problem is that it hasn’t been happening enough. Don’t get too ahead of yourself.
The system is extremely flawed but works just well enough for a plurality of people to feel like they are getting something out of it. I think it would need to collapse in such a way as to affect more people if there was a chance it would be replaced
I think it would need to collapse in such a way as to affect more people if there was a chance it would be replaced
Reading the tea leaves on this incoming administration, I’d wager that’s a rather large possibility…
Yeah that could happen but we were all predicting total collapse last time and things were mostly just bad as opposed to apocalyptic. Obviously the insurrection is unforgivable but the dude spends most of his time playing golf.
It would be awful if the USA elected someone who was the same amount of evil but actually competent. Like president Xi in China type of person.
Last time, Trump stumbled and fell into the Whitehouse. They weren’t prepared to fuck shit up like they wanted. That’s not the case this time around. Trump was just a Trojan horse to get the fascists in office. My prediction is Trump is getting 25th amendment treatment before the first year is out, and we’ll have a Vance administration that’s beholden to the Thiels of the world.
Really hope I’m wrong.
Yeah it’s not irrational to believe that things can always get worse
It’s certainly part of the catabolic stage in the system’s decay. Due to many reasons, both at the input side and the “drowning in waste” side (example: GHGs waste causing climate destabilization), growth is going to falter which means that the “sharing” strategy of the rich, of the oligarchs, is going to stop working. You may know it as “grow the pie” (instead of “share the pie”). The rich get richer, the rest get poorer, and there are going to be a lot of poor people. That means a lot of desperate people and a lot of people with nothing left to lose.
What you have to watch out for is perhaps two strategies that can stop this:
- Scapegoating: vulnerable minorities and more. The rich of a certain ethnicity may become the scapegoats, instead of … you know, ALL of that class. This would be a misdirection of attention.
- Jingoism, chauvinism and various forms of ultra-nationalism. This would be a misdirection of violence… instead of “punching up”, it becomes “punching the foreign threat”, which means war.
- Combined 1 & 2. It’s usually called fascism.
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On a related note, I really liked the recent season of “Arcane” (both seasons are great). https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11126994/
What does ‘NOM’ stand for?
“NOM” is an onomatopoeic term for the eating (an eating sound).
This is correct, it is not meant to be an initialism.
No.
The killing of the CEO was a one-off event.
There would need to be readily apparent will to revolt, or a slow buildup of tit-for-tat escalating action/reaction between have-not and the rich…. More killings and active attacks, more police trying to crush any protest or anyone rebelling, harsher and harsher punishment for resistance or protest, and a wealthy class protecting themselves as much as possible while telling everyone (most likely through the press and government they own) how bad it would be for everyone were they to be killed or the system disrupted.
I’m honestly just glad it brought the left and the right together! 🥰Give more CEOs bunnies, get more unity? Working class solidarity, ya’ll. 🥳
“If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.”
And that’s how you get fascism!
From my point of view; death at the top of the pyramid is more of a symptom/resultant of fascism rather than it being the source.
I could be wrong though
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Nuh uh. Oppressing and brutalising the bottom layer of society is how you get fascism. Assasinations of the rich and powerful is how you get freedom.
Robin Hood, famous fascist.
Don’t eat shit, mulch the rich.
Hopefully
There are plenty of alternatives to eat the rich.
UBI does not make the rich any poorer. It just decentralizes power so that all can survive and eliminates crime.
While our electoral politics is divided between either “pro business” or “hamas supporting communist radical left”, it could seem reasonable to constrain oligarchy and Israel first rule while still being pro economic growth and prosperity. This requires an “eat the media stooges” who refuse to tell the difference along with a forceful message that the DNC doesn’t support.
Understanding that DNC are worthless pig fuckers meant to fundraise and not empower ordinary people is step 1 to progress.
Short answer: no.
One CEO getting shot is not going to change much. The American public’s attention span is two weeks, if that. Another CEO in the endless line of corporate douchebags will take the spot of the murdered one and so on. All the lousy crap that led to our fucking useless health care system is still in place: CEOs with no heart/conscience, health industry lobbyists, spineless politicians for sale to the highest bidder.
For sure, this was an exceptional event, but it’s not going to lead to any lasting change. Disagree with me? Post your prediction for what will change one year from now and let’s see what happens. My guess is NOTHING.
in a year from now, ceo’s will probably have a bit more private security and do less walking around in cities at 6 in the morning alone. I agree with you on the rest though
Go price out the cost of 24/7 coverage for an individual and then think about the need to restrict your life to places that can be easily secured. These CEOs will be jumpy for a few weeks and then life will go on. I predict this is not going to be a trend. We aren’t going to see 10+ CEOs shot a year. If I am wrong about that rate, then the rest of what I said would no longer be true. I believe this will be an isolated incident.
as an outsider I would think no. you don’t have much political force to cultivate this sentiment. democrats are already acting shocked and devastated for their buddies. they’re on the side of ceos, don’t forget. insider trading party can hardly pretend to give a shit about the average person. they will wait for the flame to burn out. return to business as usual: protecting the rich, losing elections and all that.
Since most people would be too happy to be (very) rich themselves, I doubt that will ever happen. Or only if we were to live in a “eat the other than me rich” society? ;)
Maybe that’s why the US has gotten this far, because they’ve sold the idea to enough people that they could be rich one day so don’t mess it up for the rich people that you could be one day. Then convincing them to hate the other poor people, even hurt them. It might hurt you too, but remember, one day you’ll be rich and escape the pain.
“Rugged individualism” is propaganda sold to school children from the time they’re in grade school.
Yeah, I think the saying goes “every American man feels like a temporarily embarrassed billionnaire”
Hopefully we will move towards a more equitable society, but Fascists also have a track record of exploiting the sort of instability American society has been faced with during this century so far. If we don’t handle this carefully, it could go badly. Which is saying a lot, given the last decade.
