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Please stop with the inter-class hate, it’s just a bad look and makes someone using such labels look like an envious have-not.
You risk alienating white collar or high-income working class with these slogans, who have a lot of political power.
The problem is compounded by the fact that most people have a misconception about their class status, and don’t realize that we’re all working class.
Your doctors, lawyers, engineers, and even some politicians are working class, but don’t want to admit it, or don’t understand how class works.
You risk alienating white collar or high-income working class with these slogans
No, you don’t. Everyone who has/had to work for a living (without the backstop of a trust fund) is quite aware. Anyone you would be alienating was already gone.
You’re really underestimating the propaganda at play
Usually when working class and proletariat brought up, it means those who have to work to live. The bourgeoisie are the owning class who can just not do anything yet will be set for life.
Inter-class hate is the best kind of hate
Ah I always get inter and intra mixed up
Think of the internet as opposed to an intranet
Class is a bad look.
someone using such labels look like an envious have-not.
Uh, so true, shame on those peasants for the sin of envy, they should just be satisfied with what they have and let their betters enjoy the fruits of their exploitation.
^/s
I am using the same language as people who make this type of criticism
You risk alienating white collar or high-income working class with these slogans, who have a lot of political power.
The working class includes those who earn their living through wage-paying (hourly) jobs, typically involving manual labor or service work without poatsecondary education requirements. They tend to have modest property ownership, and make close to minimum wage with limited benefits. Working-class jobs are predominantly in the service sector, including retail sales, clerical work, food industry positions, and manual labor.
Which definition of working class are you using that includes doctors, lawyers and engineers?
Gatekeeping what working class is. That’s new. Just thought it meant that you worked for a living instead of being an “owner class”
Well this is why I made the post, I don’t know if OP was doing it but my comment is directed more towards the person who made that sign.
Most people are working class because they lack the resources and status from generational wealth.
Edit that said, I don’t think it’s fair to make someone feel bad about what they were born into. If someone is actively working against the betterment of other people’s lives, that’s a separate issue.
The thing is unlike all other things you can be born into, wealth can be given up. You can’t give up being black or poor, but if you’re born into generational wealth to the point you’re of the ownership class by default, you can give that up and get a job.
Why should someone give up their wealth? For most people, wealth serves as a way for self determination.
Edit we also baselessly assume that working class people have better ethics or morals than some wealthier counterpart. This isn’t necessarily true.
Fact is though that people are inherently self-preserving. There’s nothing bad about it per se, but it can result in callous behaviors. Animals developed altruistic behaviors for group preservation, which is an extension of self preservation. But overall, someone will always look to self preserve. Helping out a family member or neighbor or friend is also an act of self preservation because they’re your network. Doing charity is an act of self-preservation because you want to believe in a larger network of good humans. Progressives need to build their policies around this basic fact.
Second, progressives will benefit from acknowledging that people have two needs: 1) some understanding of what it means to be human beyond the basics of mating, shelter, and fitting into a group, and 2) some way to exercise individuality and engage in self determination.
Religion and spirituality cover need 1, and economic tools cover need 2. However, all religions are trash fantasy, and our economic tools don’t work for people who they don’t work for. Humanitarian ideals are a better substitute for religion, and we need some form of Nordic model socialism which helps even out bad luck in people’s lives.
But saying that someone shouldn’t be wealthy is wrong. Wealth accumulation isn’t the problem. The problem is sociopathy which neglects basic social contracts. People are not here to be servants or serfs or slaves. People deserve opportunities for self determination, and our current system is not providing that for some.
Defining a phrase is not gatekeeping.
I think you’d be hard pressed convincing anyone that a physician or lawyer acting as an independent contractor and selling their professional services for $200+/hr is working class.
If you can’t afford your lifestyle without working, you’re working class. If you become homeless without work, you’re working class. If you’re a few missed paychecks away from having to rely on savings for maintaining your life, you’re working class.
We’d have a more reasonable and progressive society if people were honest about their lack of social safety nets.
Some of the only working class people actually making anywhere near what they should be making
If you work for your paycheck, you’re working class… If your “money works for you” you’re not
I think you’d be hard pressed convincing anyone that a physician or lawyer acting as an independent contractor and selling their professional services for $200+/hr is working class.
That is indeed your opinion and not what the working class is. That is what I meant by gatekeeping, thank you for demonstrating it again.
I understand now that you are using the communist definition, which is not the definition that’s widely agreed upon but is popular here. Another user clarified that. Thanks and glad we could clear things up.
I had a salaried position working as a cashier at a fucking gas station making 20k a year. Salaried vs hourly is the not the great class war dividing line. Also, public school teachers are salaried, and I’ll be damned if I’m giving over the teachers to the guillotine.
Its a general definition of the phrase. There will always be exceptions. There is still no evidence that anyone considers doctors, engineers, lawyers etc to be part of the working class.
They are generally considered to be part of the professional class. More have become beholden to corporate structures as America descends further into late stage capitalism, but they are still not generally considered part of the working class.
Most Amazon / Walmart workers, Uber drivers, fast food workers etc. would likely scoff at the idea of considering those professions to be working class as they are.
Doctors are a part of the working class, like all trade labor. They are always included in the definition of working class.
anyone considers
Yeah, not exactly. In Marxist philosophy there are only two classes, the owning class and the working class. If you don’t own the productive means of society then you’re working class. In reality, though, the vast majority of (at least American) people probably subscribe to a three class model, lower, middle, upper, without any understanding of political philosophy or Marxist theory, in which case doctors and lawyers would be middle-to-upper-middle class. Tech billionaires and national politicians would generally be upper class
Ah that explains the response. I was using the modern American definition. Genuinely appreciate the clarification
And where does their power and wealth come from? The working class It seems that they have forgotten this fact.
Respectfully, shut the fuck up. We are done licking boots. I will wholeheartedly advocate for more corporate assassinations. They are fucking killing us, taking out a couple of them is a drop in the bucket
I make these comments because I hate seeing people bring up the same tired ideas which lose at the polling booth.
I agree that people deserve better, but there are a lot of idiots who cannot tell allies apart from foes. There’s no helping such people 🤷♀️
You realize we are not talking about the account or lawyer that lives down the street right?
We are talking about those who do not contribute a thing to society and get rich from our suffering.
People are justified in celebrating the death of Brian Thompson. He was not one of us. He is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in the pursuit of shareholder returns.
The working class is fed up. You need to make $100,000 to live the American dream now, and that’s if you don’t live near any major city. Anybody with their head on right is not having kids because it is fiscally irresponsible and just going to harm the kid in the long run.
Now they want to take our social security that we paid into our whole lives.
Over my dead fucking body.
No hyperbole. I am not going out silentlyIt’s great that you are insulated from the raping of the middle class. But maybe shut the fuck up and listen to people’s stories about UHC
Brian Thompson earned his death
Sorry, I wasn’t even talking about this one incident but more in the abstract about the sign in OPs post. I agree that people who take up leadership positions in society have more responsibility, and should be held accountable. The French revolutionaries experienced exactly these same frustrations, so I see some parallels here which make sense. Leaders need to do better, or be replaced one way or another.
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Is pheasant actually tasty?
When cooked right its like a crispy little turkey l. Fucking delicious.
It is! At least, when cooked well.
Technically, that’s how you fuck it up.
Fine, cooked properly.
Now how do I cook it well?
Hate your money and/or your guests.
Similar to other landfowl (turkey, grouse, etc.), the meat is more nuanced & flavorful than the poultry many are accustomed to, and can often be compared to that of a lean duck or even goose.
Also, if you’re cooking any meat “well done”, you’re destroying it. If you “prefer” it that way, you’re a gawdamned idiot. 🤌🏽
Bro eats medium rare chicken???
Are you so blithely naive that you think that, across all of reality itself, cooking temps are either “well done” or “medium rare”? 🥲
You mean unlike other land fowl? Duck and goose is delicious. Turkey not so much.
Don’t blame the ingredients for the chef’s shite skills. I have converted diehard-but-curious vegetarians with turkey alone. I’m sorry your experience has been wholly negative, and I genuinely wish you better luck in the future. 🧑🏼🍳
I ended up stumbling into an amazing way to cook turkey this year after we decided we didn’t want to get up early enough to cook it the way we normally would. Instead, we decided it would be better to carve up the raw bird into smaller pieces and cook it over a wood fire. Did the carving the day before, seasoned it with salt, pepper, and a bit of sugar.
It sounds like the term you’re looking for is “spatchcock”, and one of my heavy lifters. My man Alton’s the Bill Nye of badass cookin’ w/ SCIENCE!, NGL.
Aside, one of the most cost effective ways to dish up fancy AF, for as little cost or effort as possible: spatchcock game hens, marinate 12-24hrs, pan sear/grill with fresh herbs (seasonal pairings that are widely available locally [store or wild/farm], for example, fall: pepitas, sumac, marjoram; winter: celeriac, rosemary, root veg, alliums; spring: spruce tips, sage [overdone, IMHO😅), mint; summer: culantro, dill, tarragon, etc.)
No, I didn’t just cut it open. I cut it apart. Drumstick here, wing there, breast meat, small bits because I’m bad at doing the proper cuts. The closest I came to marinating was just tossing it in some salt and pepper for seasoning and sugar for color. Never heard of culantro before, but from the sounds of it, it seems like just a stronger, probably soapier version of cilantro. I’ll skip that.
Ah, you misunderstood, but that’s alright. Try again, friend. 🤓
Bruh you misunderstood, don’t gaslight. They didn’t spatchcock their bird, they broke it down/butchered it into individual pieces, dry brined it, and roasted it
turkey is amazing if cooked right, i prefer it to chicken. most people cook it too hot/long and don’t baste, so it’s dry af
You just get a lot of people who cook turkey exactly once per year, don’t do a particularly good job, and then ruin everybody’s expectations of the bird.
Plus or minus turkey lunch meat, which is usually mediocre at best.
mmm i started buying fresh cut turkey deli meat, changed my game. i switch between Cajun Turkey and sun dried tomato. pair it with Amish mayo/mustard. so good
I didn’t know it was a luxury item lol, my cousins would always go pheasant hunting and they’re fucking delicious
🍽🍽🍽🍽🍽🍽🍽
But brandy and grouse are still ok thought, right?
You can sip on your brandy. You can feast on your grouse.
We’ll rally with pitchforks at the gates of your house.
How about foie gras?
… So, make extra
I think calling cops “pigs” and CEOs “swines” is bad, because pigs are deserving of respect.
But “bourgeois swine” is such a sweet phrase, it drips like honey off the tongue
I like what an old boss of mine used to say about being in sales; “Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered.” I don’t pity the hogs.
Read much Atwood yet?
With all the CorpSeCorp talk lately it’s hard not to.
If any pigs want to do a press conference about it, they’re more than welcome to…
One does not earn respect–one loses respect. Animals have done nothing to lose respect, yet humans have done plenty.
Humans are below animals. “Animals” are below humans.
Pigs are delightful. Let’s call cops bedbugs.
Aye, I think I’m fine with disrespecting bedbugs.
That particular species is the one I would eliminate from existence if I had a wish or something. Possums can eat other bugs.
“Let the possums eat ticks”- AngryCommieKender upon provoking the First Possum-Human War.
Nah call em mosquitos
I vote ticks.
You’re gonna be hard pressed to find anything as totally loathesome in the animal kingdom to get a fair analogy.
Dolphins are pretty much the only other animal to display straight-up malice.
What those geese be doin then?
Their job.
Who hired these geese, also are they still hiring?
Sorry, I wish I knew!
It’s the bugs, scram!
It calls Animal Farm to mind.
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
Burma Shave
Swine… Leech is more fitting imo
You are bad at rhyming
It doesn’t vibe with animal farm, though
