How are Muslims treated in the DPRK, China and Cuba? How are LGBTQ+ people treated in China? 🤔
Look, first you have to understand that even the most accurate, zero collateral damage bombings against ISIS and other such organizations were still morally worse than enslaving an equivalent amount of people from Xinjiang.
This is because the West is bad, what people want with their lives doesn’t matter, and the Party is good.
How did you reach this conclusion?
Even asking that question makes you capitalist scum.
This is such dumb argument. ISIS is not related to China in the least.
With great respect
The respect: 👎
Damn Liberals… Just droning Muslims all over the place!
It does make sense that they are bragging about converting their Moms into supporting totalitarian authoritarian regimes. After all, Mom is the only one visiting them in the basement.
Mom, you should become a communist!
Whatever makes you happy dear
muuum, i’m trying to make a revolution!
Bold of you to believe that they are old enough to have their own basement.
they are 30-year-old men
The parents: “that’s nice, go play outside”
Indeed.
I support the people who support the current era U.S.A, where black folk get killed on the street by police and abortion is made illegal.Didn’t the soviet commies bring in voting rights for women before the U.S.A and many other nations?
Very evil commies indeedthey did! Lenin, despite his solution to everything being mass murder, made some great strides.
… Until Stalin reversed everything back to how it used to be. And now Stalin is celebrated by tankies despite his reign ultimately leading to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Lenin warned them, damnit, he warned them!
Lenin, despite his solution to everything being mass murder
Isn’t that the USA solution?
Genociding Guatemala.
Use chemical weapons in Vietnam against their people.
The only country to ever use nuclear weapons on civillians.
WMD quests.
Smuggle drugs into their own country, in black neighbourhoods and such, to increase violence and unrest in such populations.Stalin is celebrated because of the rapid industrialisation and his correct prediction of the need to do it to defeat enemies, which came true with the WW2 and the Nazis being defeated by their army.
And when some people include POW imprisonment for gulag data and Nazi deaths in the war as Stalin’s kill count, some leftists would counter it.
Their HDI improved under communism.
yes, the US is shit, moving on.
Stalin is celebrated because of the rapid industrialisation and his correct prediction of the need to do it to defeat enemies, which came true with the WW2 and the Nazis being defeated by their army.
Hey, now, don’t be disingenuous. Stalin was perfectly okay with Nazi Germany and wanted an equal share in the invasion of Poland. They only helped the Allies after Nazi Germany betrayed them. If Nazi Germany didn’t betray the Union, then the Union would’ve been okay with their existence.
And when some people include POW imprisonment for gulag data and Nazi deaths in the war as Stalin’s kill count, some leftists would counter it.
And you doubt this? Do you doubt that Stalin’s soviet union rounded up Jews, queers and minorities for the main purpose being extermination?
U S is shit
I think their foreign policy and the orgs related to that are evil, but thank you.
Stalin was perfectly okay with Nazi Germany
Stalin asked Britain and France to band together with them to defeat Nazi Germany, but his pleas were not heard. They made treaties with Nazi Germany, where they let Nazi Germany and Poland to split up Czechoslovakia among themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
Britain and France made this agreement with Germany, Italy and Poland in 1938.Why would Stalin risk the lives of his people with conflict against Germany(which was quite strong) when the other major countries were behaving like that?
The Soviet-Germany non-aggression pact was made in 1939, almost a year after the Munich agreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pactand wanted an equal share in the invasion of Poland.
Poland captured parts of the Russian empire during their civil war/freedom struggle. And Poland was perfectly okay with Nazi Germany and partitioned Czechoslovakia with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Czechoslovakia_(1938–1945)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Soviet_WarOr if you believe that the Polish did it to secure the Polish populace in the area from Nazi Germany, then is Stalin wrong for wanting to secure the former Russian empire’s populace from Nazi Germany?
So are you the one being disingenuous?
And you doubt this? Do you doubt that Stalin’s soviet union rounded up Jews, queers and minorities for the main purpose being extermination?
I do. With how you got the points above wrong, I do.
Though, I don’t blame you. I used to think similarly, but when I saw the data above on how the other countries sort-of forced the Soviet Union into a non-aggression pact by siding with Nazi Gemrnay, my view of Stalin changed a lot.
He has other issues tho.
Homosexuality which was decriminalised by the communist revolution was recriminalised during his time.But regarding the Nazis, Stalin opposed them, but was forced to be pragmatic for the safety of his nation. I have no reason to hate him for that. I sort-of respect him for that. He predicted that the Nazis n others would attack them and went for rapid industrialisation, which gave them a better fighting chance.
Ohh tankie can’t go two posts without genocide apologia
But regarding the Nazis, Stalin opposed them, but was forced to be pragmatic for the safety of his nation. I have no reason to hate him for that. I sort-of respect him for that.
You respect him for siding with fucking nazi germany when it came to the invasion of poland. Get a big heavy banhammer, tankie. Try again when you don’t respect Stalin.
Do you doubt that Stalin’s soviet union rounded up Jews, queers and minorities for the main purpose being extermination?
What is the difference between “minorities” and “Jews” here?
Minorities are minorities. Some religions, queers, poc, etc~ countries that the soviet union annexed. Ukrainians were considered a minority.
Why did you scope Jews out from the other minorities tho?
Also the groups you mentioned were hardly primary targets of soviet repression.
So kinda odd to be naming victims but focusing on this when you look at the bigger picture of what Soviet regime has done.
Both raw numbers and pro proportion wise.
Crimean tartars were outright removed from Crimea with half dying en route to centrla Asia.
25% of baltics states were forcefully removed due to being “enemies of the people”
Some weird western bias here lol
Because the Soviet Union was vehemently antisemitic.
And Ukraine wasn’t a primary target of repression? Are you forgetting the holodomor?
It’s almost like there’s nuance in just about all things…
It’s too easy for us to take the “simple” reality we think we understand and feel superior to others like the example about libs loving to bomb Muslims…
If it were just about that there are a fuckton of other places we’d be doing that as well…
Oh, this should be enlightening. Please explain to everyone the nuance in removing women’s rights so they can become baby factories for Stalin’s army.
Remember the rules. There’s no justifying authoritarianism.
I’m not the person you were initially talking to, I was trying to (and apparently failing) support you. You had provided nuance. :P
Oh yeah, I can see the different names now, my b. I thought your comment was sarcastic lol. I’ll delete it!
Oh look another right-leaning garbage community from our friends at ‘shit just works’
Is this account an alt for Early To Risa or are there actually two incel freaks on here trying to get Russian sponsorships?
inb4 “op isn’t political”
inb4 “if you don’t like it mute the server”
You’re probably new but definitely mistaken. These are what Hexbear would call LIBS, which at a minimum usually means they don’t simp for shitty authoritarian governments like Russia’s and China’s or dream of a world where political enemies are lined up and shot.
again, I don’t know why you people think you pass
you reek
It’s hilarious how clueless you are. Also, there’s nothing filthier than Western commies who unironically stan dictators 🤮
this place is not right-leaning. This is also one of the most active political communities across Lemmy. I don’t know who Risa is and I don’t know why you call me an incel.
This community documents hate-speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse
If you’re a tankie, every view is right leaning
Also there own views are right leaning. Basically everything is leaning
every right-lean and dogwhistle meme on lemmy coming from sh.itjust.works
every single one
I make sure to call out dogwhistles in this community if I spot any.
But can you point out any others throughout the instance? The admins here are very involved in moderating everything and take offensive content very seriously.
Go outside
😘
or China! Where you can’t protest the government or the banks and have to follow a strict routine of uniformity.
“They’re also racist, but that’s fine.”
What am I looking at?
Chinese movie posters where they remove black people
The posters for Marvel films in China.
Chinese people really don’t like black people. So Disney, not wanting to disturb racist Chinese Audiences, removed black people from their posters.
Welp, that’s disappointing
They don’t like wookies either, it would seem.
Nooooo
And have you seen their healthcare system? If Marx came back from the dead he would die from an heart attack when he found out about the CCP.
How is their healthcare system? I know it’s very privatised, but not much about the public sector.
public health insurance generally only covers about half of medical costs, with the proportion lower for serious or chronic illnesses.
China’s commercial health insurance is also proliferating. In 2020, the country’s commercial health insurance premium income amounted to 817.3 billion yuan, with an average annual growth rate of 20%.
As of 2022, enrollment in China’s nationwide healthcare system is almost universal. However, these plans generally provide low levels of benefits.
It sounds somewhere between Germany and the US with Germany already being for-profit friendly for European standards. I.e. a forgot “to each according to their needs”.
Lower coverage for serious chronic conditions is the EXACT OPPOSITE of how “to each according to their needs” is supposed to work but sure, why not Xi.
What’s happening here? Some sort of massive outdoor school program?
It’s explained below
Not the movie, the weird place with all the people sitting there
Entrance exam for art school.
You can practically smell the classless, stateless, moneyless nature of their communist utopia.
Top: Streamers going to rich neighborhoods to attract local viewers and donations after China implements policy of forcing all Internet content to show their approximate location
Bottom: largest art school examination in the world, where ~14,000 applicants invited to the exam must compete for ~800 spots
Most jobs are normal and like the western world. While there are tons of valid criticisms like the protest one you mentioned, “strict homogeneity” is not one of them and just gives tankies more ammunition. There are way better arguments you can make from these images.
If you believe there are better arguments to be made, go ahead.
The streamers are up until, sometimes, past 3 am to make money off the rich. So much for your communist China. People need to lug all of their valuables with them to make fools of themselves to entertain the rich and powerful, comfortable and happy in their warm mansions, while the streamers have to shiver in cold temperatures just to make a few hundred bucks at most. A man is dressed as a literal clown, and the girls have to wear short clothes in winter.
And the bottom, yes, is commercialised, mass-produced art where you’re stuck in lines, competing with who can be the better artist (if there even is such a thing)—no food, no drinks, cramped with no escape. If your art is not arty enough for the elites, then you are the ‘worse kid,’ which is an ideology in China where there is always a better child—Failure is not an option.
I have yet to see both of these images be recreated in the Western World.
If you believe there are better arguments to be made, go ahead.
Well, you just did that. I was pointing out that your use of those images is misleading, and as critics, we should take the moral high ground.
So much for your communist China.
Not sure what you think about me. As an anarchist, I don’t have socially positive views of China.
commercialised, mass-produced
No. Albeit with a completely misguided target of technical skill, the admissions test is not a factory. And food and drink are, of course, allowed.
then you are the ‘worse kid,’ which is an ideology in China where there is always a better child—Failure is not an option.
Honestly, it’s just involution: Everyone always looks up to the better children and apply to the best school, whose exam is what we see here. However, failure is, in fact, an executable option. Just as there is always a better place, there is also always a worse place: a worse school to apply to instead of the one with a 2% acceptance rate, a worse place to live with a much better upkeep, a worse job where you can still apply your skills with the same comfort… The aforementioned streamers can always choose to pull up stakes and find other types of less gruelling careers, yet they’re not comfortable enough with the low-key: Unfortunately, investments in mental health education are way too low to counter the ingrained Chinese culture of overachievement, and that is a very big problem. Such involution is also a problem in the United States, especially in higher education, but we have much better access to online support.
As an anarchist, I don’t have socially positive views of China.
would’ve fooled me. You’re the only one defending the images and saying the same happens in the West. You’ve yet to show any examples of the above happening in the West, and just so we’re clear, the West includes Europe, Oceania–You know, anything western, not just the US
No. Albeit with a completely misguided target of technical skill, the admissions test is not a factory. And food and drink are, of course, allowed.
Mass-produced in the sense that for the test, they are mass-producing art to please their elites. Likewise I can’t find any image of any food or drink being used.
The aforementioned streamers can always choose to pull up stakes and find other types of less gruelling careers, yet they’re not comfortable enough with the low-key
I’m not saying the same happens in the west. Indeed, these are occurrences unique to China. I’ve never understood the appeal of the shopping streams, so I can’t say for sure what’s behind the first image. Meanwhile, misguided focus on technical skill over the essence of art combined with draconian educational values are behind the second image.
they are mass-producing art to please their elites
The only people who see the art are the 9 judges who have their internet-capable devices confiscated until they judge everything. They have to filter out the images and compare them meticulously for accuracy instead of pleasantry. After that, they have to do it again for the arts Gaokao. Nobody else sees the art, and even if they did, I doubt anyone would be pleased by what aims to be carbon copies of the same image. The stupid system harms the only people who see the product as well.
Likewise I can’t find any image of any food or drink being used.
If you look at https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-grueling-hyper-competitive-exams-decide-futures-chinese-art-students, there’s an outstanding example of tea near the bottom-left corner.
They usually can’t, hence why they’re doing it.
I don’t see how that article reflects your claim. In fact, it says that passerbys ask the streamers, “Why don’t you find a normal job?”. At most, it does say that some were drove off livelihoods and forced to stream by the COVID era, which involved stupid restrictions that the government finally relaxed a few months after the article. There are also a lot more white-collar jobs. That said, I’ve never been to Guilin, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Hair salons in Hangzhou reopened at most by mid-2021, though it may have intensified in late 2022, which is right after I left.
would’ve fooled me. You’re the only one defending the images and saying the same happens in the West.
Such “us vs them” mentality is why my country and so many others are currently so divided and leads certain people to believe in authoritarian rule of utmost hierarchy.
You think I’m against you for trying to rationalise what’s happening in China as normal? I’m not. I find it weird, but I also don’t care.
If this was us vs them, which I also believe is stupid, you would’ve been booted. I’ve dealt with a lot of pseudo-mods, usually admins, who do exactly this and it’s frustrating everytime I have to unban the user and explain to the admin that disagreement doesn’t mean ban. You can check out the modlog for this.
Removed
why’d you comment removed? lol
it was a social experiment, you (the test subject) were supposed to donvote me because I assumingly commented something dumb, which the mods removed
aight…
well I don’t remove anything that’s ‘dumb’
But I do remove bigots if they can’t behave themselves after a warning.
“Oh yes honey, the famine in China was the liberals fault and praise the Eternal leader, I’d love to visit Castro since you know him. Can you shower now?”
Has a giant picture of Stain on the wall next to some candles
