Stalin is celebrated because of the rapid industrialisation and his correct prediction of the need to do it to defeat enemies, which came true with the WW2 and the Nazis being defeated by their army.
Hey, now, don’t be disingenuous. Stalin was perfectly okay with Nazi Germany and wanted an equal share in the invasion of Poland. They only helped the Allies after Nazi Germany betrayed them. If Nazi Germany didn’t betray the Union, then the Union would’ve been okay with their existence.
And when some people include POW imprisonment for gulag data and Nazi deaths in the war as Stalin’s kill count, some leftists would counter it.
And you doubt this? Do you doubt that Stalin’s soviet union rounded up Jews, queers and minorities for the main purpose being extermination?
I’m assuming you’re just blissfully unaware of the antisemitism within the Soviet Union.
We’ll take the Doctor’s Plot as an example. The Soviet Union created a campaign where they said that Jewish doctors intended to kill leading communists, which of course just to purge more jews.
You’re being really weird if you specifically take offence to me mentioning Jews as a part of the different minorities. It’s pretty telling that you’re just being antisemitic, so I’m giving you a warning to knock it off; no hate speech is allowed here.
I think their foreign policy and the orgs related to that are evil, but thank you.
Stalin was perfectly okay with Nazi Germany
Stalin asked Britain and France to band together with them to defeat Nazi Germany, but his pleas were not heard. They made treaties with Nazi Germany, where they let Nazi Germany and Poland to split up Czechoslovakia among themselves.
Why would Stalin risk the lives of his people with conflict against Germany(which was quite strong) when the other major countries were behaving like that?
The Soviet-Germany non-aggression pact was made in 1939, almost a year after the Munich agreement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact
and wanted an equal share in the invasion of Poland.
Poland captured parts of the Russian empire during their civil war/freedom struggle. And Poland was perfectly okay with Nazi Germany and partitioned Czechoslovakia with them.
Or if you believe that the Polish did it to secure the Polish populace in the area from Nazi Germany, then is Stalin wrong for wanting to secure the former Russian empire’s populace from Nazi Germany?
So are you the one being disingenuous?
And you doubt this? Do you doubt that Stalin’s soviet union rounded up Jews, queers and minorities for the main purpose being extermination?
I do. With how you got the points above wrong, I do.
Though, I don’t blame you. I used to think similarly, but when I saw the data above on how the other countries sort-of forced the Soviet Union into a non-aggression pact by siding with Nazi Gemrnay, my view of Stalin changed a lot.
He has other issues tho.
Homosexuality which was decriminalised by the communist revolution was recriminalised during his time.
But regarding the Nazis, Stalin opposed them, but was forced to be pragmatic for the safety of his nation. I have no reason to hate him for that. I sort-of respect him for that. He predicted that the Nazis n others would attack them and went for rapid industrialisation, which gave them a better fighting chance.
But regarding the Nazis, Stalin opposed them, but was forced to be pragmatic for the safety of his nation. I have no reason to hate him for that. I sort-of respect him for that.
You respect him for siding with fucking nazi germany when it came to the invasion of poland. Get a big heavy banhammer, tankie. Try again when you don’t respect Stalin.
yes, the US is shit, moving on.
Hey, now, don’t be disingenuous. Stalin was perfectly okay with Nazi Germany and wanted an equal share in the invasion of Poland. They only helped the Allies after Nazi Germany betrayed them. If Nazi Germany didn’t betray the Union, then the Union would’ve been okay with their existence.
And you doubt this? Do you doubt that Stalin’s soviet union rounded up Jews, queers and minorities for the main purpose being extermination?
What is the difference between “minorities” and “Jews” here?
Minorities are minorities. Some religions, queers, poc, etc~ countries that the soviet union annexed. Ukrainians were considered a minority.
Why did you scope Jews out from the other minorities tho?
Also the groups you mentioned were hardly primary targets of soviet repression.
So kinda odd to be naming victims but focusing on this when you look at the bigger picture of what Soviet regime has done.
Both raw numbers and pro proportion wise.
Crimean tartars were outright removed from Crimea with half dying en route to centrla Asia.
25% of baltics states were forcefully removed due to being “enemies of the people”
Some weird western bias here lol
Because the Soviet Union was vehemently antisemitic.
And Ukraine wasn’t a primary target of repression? Are you forgetting the holodomor?
You mentioned Ukrainians already I was topping off with examples of other people targeted at scale, kazakh should be mentioned too tbh…
As for anti semetism within USSR… Just because Jews got caught up in purges, doesn’t make it anti semetism.
chema and NKVD were loaded with Jews esp near the top during Holodomor and Stalin killed them off after they did a good job.
Is this anti-semitism you are talking about?
I’m assuming you’re just blissfully unaware of the antisemitism within the Soviet Union.
We’ll take the Doctor’s Plot as an example. The Soviet Union created a campaign where they said that Jewish doctors intended to kill leading communists, which of course just to purge more jews.
Also what do you mean by good job?
They were very effective at starving people, waffen-ss level effectiveness.
Ahh yes propaganda campaign… Did anyone die?
This conversion is clown. Stalin murders millions of people… But have you thought about the jews🤡
You’re being really weird if you specifically take offence to me mentioning Jews as a part of the different minorities. It’s pretty telling that you’re just being antisemitic, so I’m giving you a warning to knock it off; no hate speech is allowed here.
I think their foreign policy and the orgs related to that are evil, but thank you.
Stalin asked Britain and France to band together with them to defeat Nazi Germany, but his pleas were not heard. They made treaties with Nazi Germany, where they let Nazi Germany and Poland to split up Czechoslovakia among themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
Britain and France made this agreement with Germany, Italy and Poland in 1938.
Why would Stalin risk the lives of his people with conflict against Germany(which was quite strong) when the other major countries were behaving like that?
The Soviet-Germany non-aggression pact was made in 1939, almost a year after the Munich agreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact
Poland captured parts of the Russian empire during their civil war/freedom struggle. And Poland was perfectly okay with Nazi Germany and partitioned Czechoslovakia with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Czechoslovakia_(1938–1945)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Soviet_War
Or if you believe that the Polish did it to secure the Polish populace in the area from Nazi Germany, then is Stalin wrong for wanting to secure the former Russian empire’s populace from Nazi Germany?
So are you the one being disingenuous?
I do. With how you got the points above wrong, I do.
Though, I don’t blame you. I used to think similarly, but when I saw the data above on how the other countries sort-of forced the Soviet Union into a non-aggression pact by siding with Nazi Gemrnay, my view of Stalin changed a lot.
He has other issues tho.
Homosexuality which was decriminalised by the communist revolution was recriminalised during his time.
But regarding the Nazis, Stalin opposed them, but was forced to be pragmatic for the safety of his nation. I have no reason to hate him for that. I sort-of respect him for that. He predicted that the Nazis n others would attack them and went for rapid industrialisation, which gave them a better fighting chance.
Ohh tankie can’t go two posts without genocide apologia
You respect him for siding with fucking nazi germany when it came to the invasion of poland. Get a big heavy banhammer, tankie. Try again when you don’t respect Stalin.