Enjoy losing the electronics handheld market to the Chinese as everyone gets paranoid about Western smartphones.
Will you still be laughing when this hack inevitably leaks and is used to harm you or your family. I’m a computer hacker and it’s looking more and more like these were done by hacking the devices and detonating the battery.
But hey, at least you got to do a completely militarily impotent terrorism against a group fighting a genocide.
All credible reporting I’ve seen is relatively certain that it was a small amount of military grade explosives.
If you have the device in front of you, and are prepping it for your secret operation, that also seems like a much more straightforward solution than trying to manipulate a lithium ion battery in a way that both allows it to work normally for years, but then explode violently enough to kill someone holding it.
Very cute but there are reports of people analyzing the pagers and not finding any evidence of explosives.
This is a developing story so maybe this will come to not but your incredulity doesn’t change these facts in the ground.
And if you were even a little familiar with lithium battery fires you’d know such reports don’t match up with the reports of exploding pagers killing people. So which is it?
We’ve had numerous cases of phones catching on fire in people’s pockets and resulting in horrible burns throughout the years, but how many of these have killed people? A lithium battery is an incendiary device under the right circumstances, not an explosive one. And you need a bigger battery than one in a pager to cause enough damage in a short enough timeframe to kill a person before they can save themselves.
Not to mention that it’s not a simple matter to make a lithium battery catch on fire remotely. What are they gonna do, try to draw more current than the battery can provide? That’s not going to make a battery catch on fire.
Reports of batteries in the past exploding were unintentional. So if one were purposely causing the batteries to explode then it’s logical that you could make it a lot more potent.
The idea that it was a hack is more prevalent outside the west. No doubt because western intelligence is trying to stop the story of any electronic made by them being a potential bomb under their control.
Indeed, supposing they could use software to cause the battery to ignite is one thing (the most plausible part) but your other points are the crux of it.
Without compromised hardware even igniting a battery is pretty implausible (unless the phone was on charge, and obviously these weren’t) as you’d need to basically short it out and this would be hard even with full bare metal access.
Pagers are famously hard to hack as well since all they do is display strings. And they aren’t on the public net, they don’t even have IP addresses as they communicate hub and spoke with a big slow RF transceiver.
Much more likely triggered by a message or long time fuse.
No that’s not the leading theory outside the west. Regardless even if explosives were planted do you think that is going to make consumers feel better about buying western electronics after seeing how their intelligence agencies flagrantly break international laws.
We have rules of war for a reason and you chuck fucks are about to find out why first hand when your tech sector takes a hit.
I’m really, really hoping a lot of folks see that comment. Online communities are rife with intelligence agents actively trying to sway online discourse.
There’s a term in intelligence work for people who fight or support a cause they don’t fully understand: useful idiots. Anyone reading this, take a hard look at the facts of any situation. Do everything you can to cut down to the actual truth wherever possible. Make up your own mind. Don’t be a useful idiot.
How is calling you a chuckle fuck a “mask slipping” moment. How much of a marshmallow are you. Anyway yeah China does have a bad human rights record but the US has far and away the most prisoners of anyone in the world which they use as chattel slaves all while telling everyone their citizens have the most rights and freedoms haha.
That’s true, however the user name would indicate a US based user and they comment consistently on US political issues.
They are either a very active foreign useful idiot or an astro turfer, though I am leaning towards them being a useful idiot due to their very mask off approach.
Okay boomer. Computer security isn’t some underground scene anymore. It’s a huge industry. Saying your a computer hacker is like calling yourself an accountant now. So unbelievable!
Oh right! I keep forgetting that Israel is “the west” and Palestine is not despite being geographically on top of each other. Someday I’m gonna have to figure out where exactly this “west” is so I know not to go there.
Damn the Iranian ambassador sure was young
Enjoy losing the electronics handheld market to the Chinese as everyone gets paranoid about Western smartphones. Will you still be laughing when this hack inevitably leaks and is used to harm you or your family. I’m a computer hacker and it’s looking more and more like these were done by hacking the devices and detonating the battery. But hey, at least you got to do a completely militarily impotent terrorism against a group fighting a genocide.
All credible reporting I’ve seen is relatively certain that it was a small amount of military grade explosives.
If you have the device in front of you, and are prepping it for your secret operation, that also seems like a much more straightforward solution than trying to manipulate a lithium ion battery in a way that both allows it to work normally for years, but then explode violently enough to kill someone holding it.
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Very cute but there are reports of people analyzing the pagers and not finding any evidence of explosives. This is a developing story so maybe this will come to not but your incredulity doesn’t change these facts in the ground.
Link the reports or GTFO
And if you were even a little familiar with lithium battery fires you’d know such reports don’t match up with the reports of exploding pagers killing people. So which is it?
We’ve had numerous cases of phones catching on fire in people’s pockets and resulting in horrible burns throughout the years, but how many of these have killed people? A lithium battery is an incendiary device under the right circumstances, not an explosive one. And you need a bigger battery than one in a pager to cause enough damage in a short enough timeframe to kill a person before they can save themselves.
Not to mention that it’s not a simple matter to make a lithium battery catch on fire remotely. What are they gonna do, try to draw more current than the battery can provide? That’s not going to make a battery catch on fire.
Reports of batteries in the past exploding were unintentional. So if one were purposely causing the batteries to explode then it’s logical that you could make it a lot more potent.
The idea that it was a hack is more prevalent outside the west. No doubt because western intelligence is trying to stop the story of any electronic made by them being a potential bomb under their control.
Indeed, supposing they could use software to cause the battery to ignite is one thing (the most plausible part) but your other points are the crux of it.
I’m a boomboom builder btw
Without compromised hardware even igniting a battery is pretty implausible (unless the phone was on charge, and obviously these weren’t) as you’d need to basically short it out and this would be hard even with full bare metal access.
Pagers are famously hard to hack as well since all they do is display strings. And they aren’t on the public net, they don’t even have IP addresses as they communicate hub and spoke with a big slow RF transceiver.
Much more likely triggered by a message or long time fuse.
Careful. I heard about this guy on the news. Apparently he’s a famous hacker, goes by the name Four Chan.
Oh shit I think we finally found Lim Fao!
The leading theory is a supply chain attack and that explosives were planted but you would know that if you could read, mr hacker
No that’s not the leading theory outside the west. Regardless even if explosives were planted do you think that is going to make consumers feel better about buying western electronics after seeing how their intelligence agencies flagrantly break international laws. We have rules of war for a reason and you chuck fucks are about to find out why first hand when your tech sector takes a hit.
Completely irrelevant as reality doesn’t care where your fallacious claims are sourced from.
Ahhh yes China, which is famous for its respect of human rights, will take over because consumer sentiment will shift. Very obvious.
Full mask off huh, so which is your preferred flavour of dictators boot?
I’m really, really hoping a lot of folks see that comment. Online communities are rife with intelligence agents actively trying to sway online discourse.
There’s a term in intelligence work for people who fight or support a cause they don’t fully understand: useful idiots. Anyone reading this, take a hard look at the facts of any situation. Do everything you can to cut down to the actual truth wherever possible. Make up your own mind. Don’t be a useful idiot.
How is calling you a chuckle fuck a “mask slipping” moment. How much of a marshmallow are you. Anyway yeah China does have a bad human rights record but the US has far and away the most prisoners of anyone in the world which they use as chattel slaves all while telling everyone their citizens have the most rights and freedoms haha.
It was merely the start of the mask slipping, you have effectively admitted you aren’t from the West.
So I ask again, what is your favourite flavour of dictators boot?
You don’t have to be western to criticize it. Westerners criticize everyone else and make no fuss about it.
That’s true, however the user name would indicate a US based user and they comment consistently on US political issues.
They are either a very active foreign useful idiot or an astro turfer, though I am leaning towards them being a useful idiot due to their very mask off approach.
You big mad because your lies don’t land here like in hexbear or .ml.
The mask refers to your “I’m cool calm and collected” false-peraona you’re struggling to maintain.
Any other questions?
My dad works at Steam
Okay boomer. Computer security isn’t some underground scene anymore. It’s a huge industry. Saying your a computer hacker is like calling yourself an accountant now. So unbelievable!
Wrong person 🤗.
And i agree x1000 😂😂
If I called myself an accountant then implied something that’s very implausible about accounting you’d be right to question it.
These weren’t hacked battery overloads they were explosives.
Oh right! I keep forgetting that Israel is “the west” and Palestine is not despite being geographically on top of each other. Someday I’m gonna have to figure out where exactly this “west” is so I know not to go there.
You are a delusional Zionist if you think Israel is anything but a US proxy.
Alrighty that’s enough brainrot for one day
What are you on about
Maybe an Iranian LLM spreading “anti-Western” propaganda.
Nah, LLMs usually have better grammar than that. My money’s on either intern or truly delusional ordinary Lemming
Iran doesn’t need to hire interns for Lemmy when they have such a plentiful supply of delusional lemmings
My family isn’t a part of any international crime syndicates. Feelin’ pretty fuckin’ safe despite your best efforts.
The command might have been a hack but the physicality is just not something normal batteries are capable of producing.
Don’t forget all those Hamas nurses and doctors. Totally not indiscriminate terrorism against civilians. Israel never does that!
Hezbollah*
I know it was probably an innocent mistake but people have been mixing these two up a lot recently