• Smorty [she/her]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 months ago

    Why do people care about this trolley problem thing now? Plenty of videos which are all over 10 minutes talking about it, like, REALLY is it that interesting? I don’t think so…

  • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    … Is the murder weapon a plunger?? 😂

    Bludgeoned to death with a rubbery dome, what a horrible way to go

  • Rose Thorne(She/Her)@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    But at what cost? How many of his challenges did you have to face? Is the numbness over taking this life shock, or have you become so truly numb to death that, even in victory, there is only the endless void?

    Can you live in the world you have created, or have you merely started down the path of the monster yourself?

  • Grimy@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I really love that they are on top of a train after a tunnel, implying there was a really intense fight scene leading to this.

  • Donjuanme@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    The only time I change from 5 to 1 is when the 1 is the person who tied the 5 to the track. Absolutely only time. Challenge my sith on this.

  • wolf_2202@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    So you killed one person? To save numerous others? When the others would’ve died through your inaction?

    Curious.

  • don@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    “I’m the guy with the plan because I’m smarter than you, Jack, I’m smarter.” [😡➡️☠️] “Yeah, but I’m taller.”

  • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I dislike thought experiments because they try to apply certainty to reality. If the outputs are known, morality that has little bearing on our real choices takes over. Utilitarianism dominates where the totality of human lives becomes deductible.

    No ethical theory can be proven true for reality, as proof only exists in the realm of the forms. Formal systems require axioms that are based on induction, introducing uncertainty into all logical conclusions. We just have to make the best choices considering the information we have, accepting that we will sometimes be wrong.

    • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      3 months ago

      I mean, the trolley problem is just a starting point. It’s literally one of the simplest thought experiments

      The next set of thought experiments goes something more like “say you have 5 people in need of organ transplants, and 1 health person with those organs, do you kill them and take their organs to save 5 others?”

      And even later you got another like “there is a dirty nuclear bomb in the middle of the city, and you got someone who you think might be responsible, do you torture them to maybe get a way to defuse the bomb out of them?”

      And so on

      The trolley problem is literally just a starting point in philosophy class, the experiments get more elaborate, closer to the real world, and less certain as you move towards greater understanding. Until at some point you just deal with real issues such as abortion or animal welfare (like whether veganism is the morally correct choice, which is a lot more controversial than I think it ever should be, but I digress), and the shortcomings of ethical systems and which ones maybe come closest to our intuitions (and then you got philosophers such as Hume which thought that our moral intuition is the only thing that matters), and so on.

      Things are a lot lot more nuanced than just the trolley problem, and there are some really tough bullets to bite for utilitarianism in thought experiments. Or at least showing the need to rework the system somewhat, but then it isn’t just a simple “best outcome” even in clear-cut situations.

      In practice though, nobody really follows a strict ethical system, and it does show an interesting problem of trying to codify morality into a rational and consistent system. And we get to these edge cases typically by thought experiments, and then try to go from there. Breaking our theories by pushing them to the limits.

      But while nobody follows a strict system, you still see elements of these systems in people’s behaviours and choices. Such as maximizing a moral quantity (utilitarianism), or doing what is considered to be a good person thing to do (virtue), or Kantianism, or any numerous of subcategories and other systems which don’t fall neatly into the typical categories. But, for example, in hospitals under triage, they typically follow a kind of utilitarian system