Ah, lemmygrad. Hello from Hexbear. I used to lurk lemmygrad but didn’t have an account. Now I can interact with you people, who I fucking love.
We love you too comrade.
And watch as the libs over on .world all act like they never supported that “shady asiatic” Zelenskyy and were against the war from the start.
I’m guessing we’ll start seeing this narrative go mainstream when it becomes impossible to hide the fact that Ukraine lost. Recriminations are starting already, and at some point I expect that western media will miraculously remember about all the nazis and start talking about how they were cleverly misleading the noble west all along. That’s gonna be the only politically acceptable way to turn off the tap.
Wait until right sector start talking about how they were stabbed in the back by western liberals
Indeed, and then consider that in the context of a CBS report that found only 30% of the weapons the west sends made it to the frontline. A whole bunch of the weapons that Ukraine was flooded with ended up on the black market and made their way into Europe. It’s almost certain that Ukrainian nazis have established networks with the dpmestic ones in a whole bunch of countries at this point. It’s not hard to imagine what sort of things they might be planning once the war is over.
Officials taking cash and cryptocurrency bribes or helping people eligible to be called up to fight to leave Ukraine are among the charges, said Mr Zelensky, in a video posted on social media.
wtf I support military corruption now. These are probably the Ukrainian officials who have saved the most Ukrainian lives, and they’re getting the treatment of Germans who helped Nazi targets flee from Germany. What an odd coincidence.
I don’t know about the bribes, but draft dodging the war in Ukraine is based.
Fuck off with your pro Russian headline which doesn’t match the article.
Ukraine has a responsibility to make sure US and foreign support isn’t wasted and they’re doing just that.
what’re your thoughts on the US bombing of panama city?
Whataboutism is your best defense, and a poor attempt at that?
Equating the two is hilarious. Even so I’m not excusing all the bullshit the US has done.
At least I can say the US has done some terrible shit without getting arrested or killed. Try saying anything bad about Russia or Putin in Russia.
Fun fact, the origin of “whataboutism” was its use as the phrase “whataboutery” during the Troubles in Ireland as the Irish accused the British of atrocities only to be dismissed as “whataboutery”
Weird how it’s always used as a thought terminating cliche to prevent criticism of the dominant empire, huh!
Good thing it only works on idiots like you
Again, since you’re reading comprehension sucks…
I’m not the one dismissing what any country has done. I’m saying they should both be held accountable.
The fact that the comment I was originally replying to was using that justification goes along with what you just said… which is pointing out what someone else did is no justification for any action. They both should be taken for what they are and judged accordingly.
you’re reading comprehension sucks
Whataboutism is just a rhetorical device trolls try to use to create a double standard for themselves and everyone else when faced with the fact that their side does all the same things they accuse others of. Meanwhile, imagine being such an utter ignoramus to be unaware of all the political violence that US does.
Ukraine has a responsibility to make sure US and foreign support isn’t wasted and they’re doing just that.
idk dude, maybe you should stop sending wave after wave after wave of leopards and bradleys into minefields if you want to not waste Western resources
I hope Ukraine kill all these invading Russian motherfuckers and that Putin dies too.
the saddest thing is that at the end of this war, there will be hundreds of thousands if not millions of dead Ukrainians, all who died because of Western hatred. but you won’t actually care, will you? the lives of the average Ukrainian mean nothing to you. you could send a hundred Ukrainians to die horrifically in the no man’s land and if a Russian stubs his toe because of it, you would call it a worthy sacrifice, because causing the Russians inconvenience and suffering is worth much more than saving the lives of innocent people who have been conscripted at gunpoint.
if it wasn’t a worthy sacrifice, and you thought this wholesale slaughter should stop, you would support ending the war, like the left does.
That has to be one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read on the internet.
If the West wouldn’t support Ukraine then the Russians would kill them without resistance, that’s about it.
If the west wouldn’t ‘support’ Ukraine then they’d still have their democratically elected government and wouldn’t be in conflict with Russia in the first place
Obviously not as they’d be under Putin’s control.
If nearly a decade ago Ukraine were allowed to keep it’s democratically elected government, they would be under Putin’s control?
Why do you feel comfortable jumping in to argue when you don’t seem to know what’s being talked about in the first place?
The leader that Ukraine rejected because he was under Moscow’s control? Funny that you don’t mention the constant meddling that Moscow has been doing in Ukrainian politics to bring it under their control. Ukraine elects a leader that wants to align with Europe and not Russia and suddenly Russia engages in a 3 day war to get rid of Zelensky. Funny that.
Holy shit what a nauseating
from how you assign the will of “Ukraine” to the fascist militias that carried out the coup. Not the actual voting population of the country. Those people aren’t “Ukraine”. Because “Ukraine” rejected what Ukraine voted for. FuNnY thAt.
If the West didn’t organize a coup in Ukraine, put Nazis into power, then prod them into slaughtering their countrymen, then the Russians wouldn’t have invaded. The Russians didn’t just wake up one day and decide to invade Ukraine.
I’d love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.
I’d love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.
I cannot fucking wait for China and Russia to do freedom of navigation exercises between Cuba and Florida like how the US does with Taiwan and China and for Americans to just fucking LOSE it. Holy shit, it’ll be so funny. “No, this isn’t the same because China is evil and we’re the good guys!”
They did it near Alaska and Yankees lost it
I hope Ukraine kill all these invading Russian motherfuckers and that Putin dies too.
Yes, we know you libs dream of Russian genocide, but you can keep dreaming.
Why do you think Russia deserves the land it invaded?
The key issue for me is the right of a people to self determination.
The people who live in the eastern parts of Ukraine are overwhelming Russian speaking and identify as ethnically Russian. They voted three times in various ways for some form of preserving their cultural rights, only to have their expression of Democratic will met with violent militias, shelling, and other violence, and then finally voted once again to secede from Ukraine, largely motivated by the extreme hostility from right wing Ukrainian nationalists who were banning the use of Russian, imposing assimilationist education policies, banning political parties that represented the people there, and even banning the free exercise of religion if that religious practice looked to the Russian Orthodox Church for leadership.
The principle of the self determination of a people to choose their own government demands respect and Ukraine has no right to impose their will on a population that doesn’t want it.
You should look at what the people who actually live there, in the east not just those in Kyiv, have been saying for a decade. They don’t want to be part of Ukraine anymore and it’s because of the extreme violence Ukraine has inflicted upon them since 2014.
Which referendums are you referring to and does any country besides Russia or North Korea accept the results? Just an FYI elections in Russia itself are not free from corruption in any sense of the word. But I’m sure you take putin’s word when he says their fair Lol 2014 is when Russian backed separatists began working in Ukraine, Russia has always been the aggressor and could’ve stopped the violence whenever they choose.
“That referendum and those elections don’t count because the USA said no” truly the voice of democracy and freedom.
I guess it was Putin that forced Zelenskyy to ban the political opposition? Because the damn Putin bots kept voting wrong.
Which referendums are you referring to and does any country besides Russia or North Korea accept the results?
literally the consent “isn’t there somebody you forgot to ask?” meme but with America
but this is also a very funny way of imagining how self-determination and independence movements work a lot of the time. Imagine a world where a newfound country breaks free from an existing one and then that newfound country sees that 90% of the UN, including the country they just broke free from, doesn’t recognize them for doing that and they’re just like “Well, shucks. I guess we’re going back and re-joining the country again, because these people aren’t ready to accept us yet!”
That’s all on you for misunderstanding how being a country works. It doesn’t matter that you hold elections but that you hold the monopoly of violence over the population. That’s what gets you recognition. Color me shocked that you don’t even know how the most rudimentary geopolitics works …
Who has the monopoly of violence in Luhansk and Donetsk currently…?
Human garbage such as yourself is precisely the reason this war is still ongoing and hundreds of thousands of people are dead. If you want Russians to die so bad then go sign up for the foreign legion and fight yourself instead of shitposting here you deplorable piece shit.
I don’t think the person you’re replying to is responsible for hundreds of thousands of people dying my man. Calm down. If you’re angry at all the unnecessary deaths, point your energy at Putin.
Every single person who supports continuation of this war is responsible for the people dying in this war. Meanwhile, pointing your energy at Putin while living in the west is idiotic because you have zero influence on Putin. What you have influence on is your own deplorable regime that’s fueling the continuation of this war.
The war continues because Russia remains in Ukraine. All Russia has to do is withdraw from Ukraine and needless death of both sides ends.
My “deplorable regime” is helping Ukraine from defending itself from aggressors that’s trying to take control of the country, that the Ukrainian people clearly don’t want. The Ukrainians don’t want to continue this war. They’d love it to stop right now. But they can’t because Russia remains in their country. And don’t forget which country constantly launches rocket attacks against civilians since day 1 of this war. Literally the first day, Russian troops have opened fire on civilians, with orders to kill everyone.
If you think Ukraine should give up fighting to stop any deaths is insane as all Russia has to do is then continue its march into Ukraine. Why would Russia stop if Ukraine doesn’t resist? The entire world would be chaos if nobody defended their homeland, all it would take is a single aggressor to start a war and nobody would stop them.
Imagine if Britain, Russia and the US had surrendered to nazi Germany and Japan to prevent deaths in their respective cities. That’s basically your argument.
I wonder what your motivation for supporting Russia is in this. Are you a paid Russian troll? Or just attention starved in the real world so you need to have a contrary opinion to get any kind of attention?
Edit: it’s also kind of suspicious that any time a user from two specific instances they get upvoted multiple times almost instantly.
All Russia has to do is withdraw from Ukraine and needless death of both sides ends.
People in Donbas will certainly keep being killed if Russia withdraws
How does the post’s headline relate to the article?
I think it’s pretty obvious? Article is an example (not the first and certainly not the last) of western media making a cracks in their narrative - it is illustration of the the headline.
So you think until this point the western media narrative has been: “Ukraine is the only former USSR member that has no corruption.”? Seems pretty wild to me I don’t know
Yes actually, since the beginning of the war up till very recently they could fart and western media smell roses, and anyone who expressed some doubts or remind them of the previous narration (before 2022 western media were correctly calling Ukraine the most corrupted country in Europe which furthermore have huge nazi problem) were called “shills, propagandists, and putinbots”. And when UA ultimately lose the war, western media will start to bash them again, most likely even harsher than before.
Hell if you go and see comments to this and few similar articles in let’s say reddit worldnews sub, you will still find tons of people calling even the very same journos putin shills for publishing this.
