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    Remember the sacred texts:

    You all are making me work too hard, so I’m locking this dumpster fire and drinking my coffee.

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    You could always speak out against your landlord or boss to a person you can trust not to tell them. Social media is a public forum. It’s the equivalent of taking out an ad in the paper to criticize them. It’s your responsibility to represent yourself as you’d like to be seen by the general public when using an account with your name and photo.

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      I live in Europe and the whole post resonated hard with me. Not sure in which lala land you live in.

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        • I found that on European platforms, you can speak anonymously and A LOT more candidly about topics censored on American ones, e.g. SH, nearly all “adult” topics covered in great detail, and what have you.
        • My landlord would have a very hard time kicking me out for almost any reason, even if I turned the entire apartment into a swamp.

        In fact, the only item from OP’s list that rings true to me is the boss one. They will always find a way of getting back to you, legal or not.

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          In Germany, there’s rent control which doesn’t get enforced because tenants are afraid (e.g. to be declined or thrown out) when they bring it up. Landlords are cancer.

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    Yeah totally should do that in an autocratic country, lets go with Russia and lets see how long it would take before the original poster is on their way to a Siberian gulag

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      While I do see your point, I think the main idea behind this post is that we’re told that we live in civilized free western world, but once we rebel, speak ill or become in any way a ‘threat’ to people on top (while staying within the rules of society of course), that’s when you get punished for it.

      Something I’ll give to autocratic countries is that even though you have no freedom, at least you’re fully aware of it. In western countries, you have some freedom but are led to believe you actually have more, if not full, freedom.

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        Except only the last point really has anything to do with the government. It’s freedom from government control, not freedom to do anything you want with no consequences.

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      If that is the bar we have to pass humanity isn’t doing too well now is it? I myself would like to hold a modern country to even a little bit higher standards.

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      Hey, my house has a lot things that need repaired. I should probably bring up these issues with my family, and get to work on fixing them.

      Oh, the house down the road is on fire? Guess I should be fine my house is only falling into disrepair.

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      Or in China, I’m sure they could at least say their concerns once before they’re social credit is shit and they get disappeared.

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        And they can vote for a better future. Last UK election we got a labour victory but 8% fewer people voted. Thats crazy.

        Of topic, i agree with that, country borders are what making people xenophobic

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      That’s the “in Africa kids are starving and you’re refusing to eat your broccoli” level of argument. Yes, it’s bad in Russia, but that doesn’t mean everything is perfect in their country. And that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t strive to make the situation better. Moreover, without any push back it can only get worse.

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        Your instance, Lemmy.today federates with Hexbear. We don’t. Not all criticism of capitalism is in the service of dictatorship.

        Anarchists invented the term ‘tankie’ to describe authoritarian defenders of the USSR in our fight for survival against attack, imprisonment, and assassination by agents of the Bolshevik state. This is an anarchist meme, posted by an anarchist, on a Lemmy instance run by anarchists. You’re using the word wrong.

        If you see authoritarianism whenever people criticize neoliberal government, the problem is you. Fix your brain rot.

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          It’s an anti-democracy and anti-western-powers meme by a “Socialist”, self identifying in the tags. This is core Tanky-ism.

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            You wouldn’t know a tankie if one rolled over you with tracked treads.

            The core of the term ‘tankie’ comes from when the USSR sent tanks into Hungary in 1956 to institute a pro-Warsaw Pact regime change. Western governments are also big fans of sending mechanized infantry to install dictators. If you are an ideological partisan of western ‘democracy’ you have more in common with tankies than the poster does.

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              Oh OK Boomer, sorry for using the word Tankie to describe anybody other than a 1948 Hungarian/Bulgarian USSR sympathizer. /s

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    What exactly are you telling your boss that’s getting you fired? Most supervisors I’ve ever had would take authentic feedback really well. Are you just unloading emotions at them?

    Your lease is based on a contract, your landlord can’t evict you for “speaking out” about them unless it says so in your lease, which standard leases do not.

    And wtf are you saying online that gets you “muted or banned?” People say all kinds of shit online, wtf are you talking about

    Breakfast cereal is ridiculously overpriced and is not food. The only reason you should ever go down that aisle is if you want oatmeal.

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      Stop it, reality has no power here.

      Here we worship the unyielding God of manufactured outrage.

      We don’t want to hear about the fact this meme is braindead worm food.

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      You’re actually an idiot, I was fired a month ago for complaining amongst the company about their inoffice policy. Got a good severance, but they absolutely fired me for speaking my opinion

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          And how much, and how many people, and how much of a distraction… sometimes its worth just paying us off. I mean it isnt like they want it to get out of hand

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        By “complaining amongst the company” do you mean complaining to your coworkers about your company? If so, how did anyone with the power to fire you find out about it? And what exactly did you say?

        If you led with “They’re actually idiots,” I have bad news for you

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          What? You’re an idiot because most companies retain the right to tell you to get off the property. They give you enough “strikes”, it doesn’t matter what you do. Also why they give severance, so I don’t try and make a deal about employment or “rights”.

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            What?

            By “complaining amongst the company” do you mean complaining to your coworkers about your company? If so, how did anyone with the power to fire you find out about it? And what exactly did you say?

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              I’ve provided more than enough information. It’s what happened dude. I wasn’t some floor worker. I was effectively at Director level. They don’t take kindly to consistently bending the company’s will, and you push back too many times they tell you to get lost

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                There’s a serious difference between providing authentic feedback to your supervisor and complaining to your colleagues/subordinates or “bending the company’s will”

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        That’s what they wrote on your paperwork?

        “Reason for termination: spoke their mind”

        GTFO out of here lmao

        More likely you reacted to a super like you have in this comment thread; like an insolent child. Sorry you got checked.

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      1. The sidewalk is part of the street.
      2. The whole street is public property, not just the sidewalk.
      3. Except private streets but honestly I don’t respect those either and no one should.
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        I don’t know about you but where I live there are laws prohibiting blocking or standing in the street. I mean if you want to be arrested, go for it. The sidewalk is generally considered a traditional free speech venue.

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          Yeah that’s what we’re complaining about.

          It’s not really possible to have a large protest on just the sidewalk.

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            You could fill all of the sidewalks? Blocking roads doesn’t make allies. Where I live there is no other way to get to work or the hospital or the store. We don’t even have sidewalks lol. We have to protest from the ditch, at least that’s our public easement.

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    Sounds like Venezuela and socialism, only difference is that leftism there destroyed the opportunity to have multiple cereal brands.

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    In the US, maybe. But that’s considered a flawed democracy and getting worse all the time. Only 8% of the nations on earth are full democracies, a number that continues to fall because of the pessimism and stupidity promulgated by authoritarian regimes.

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      How the fuck made that chart that put USA on top of Brazil, here the president isn’t immune to prison just because he has money

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        The infographic was produced by a company called Visual Capitalist. Influence of money on the political process doesn’t factor into their calculations. Hell, it probably gives the score a boost.

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      This infographic is produced by a capitalist propaganda network, Visual Capitalist, using data from a capitalist think tank, EIU (Economic Intelligence Unit). I would download the report and scrutinize their methodology but it requires you enter a ton of personal information.

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      Germany on “full democracy” at the same time it bans symbols of Palestinian support and uses the state’s violence to contain such manifestations.

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          ??? I am allowed to fly the Palestinian flag, attend the marches, and say the chants whenever I want. The only thing we really cannot do in America is disrupt college campuses while classes are in session and riot. The three things I listed earlier are completely banned in Germany.

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            It was pro-Israel protesters that rioted and pro-Palestine/anti-genocide protesters that paid the price.

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        Germany bans stuff al the time. It’s a consequence of our history and the historic leniency towards extremist edges. Your example is debatable in it’s execution, the general thought however is not.

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            I didn’t say not to protest.

            In fact protesting is incredibly useful when the calls of many go unheard or ignored.

            And having an effective protest is only possible if you can get a lot of people together, so it’s best to not shit on people from hello for saying exactly what you think is the “right” thing.

            Not to mention having a large community of people reaching out before having to protest is also helpful, so doing good community building is also important.

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      Haha! Australia is a full democracy? What a joke!

      Australia is America’s bitch. Even if our politicians gave a shit, they couldn’t do anything.

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          It must be very convenient to assume everyone to your left is a Russian shill. Means you don’t have to waste a single second thinking about what they have to say.

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      UK is a full democracy? That’s a fucking joke, literally all of this applies here. Including no-fault (read: spoke out against landlord or asked for repairs) evictions.

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        Technically, it isn’t clear if the crown could take back the rights given by them to parlaiment to govern the UK, but currently all decisions are handled by parlaiment including budget allotted to royals who are actually a net possitive from tourism.

        For any Tankies in here, Tourism is a thing where people come from far away to share their resources in order to experience food and culture. China unfortunately is such an oppressive and bleak place that nobody wants to go there unless they have to or if they’re doing so accidentally by not realizing what happened to Hong Kong.

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          China unfortunately is such an oppressive and bleak place that nobody wants to go there unless they have to or if they’re doing so accidentally by not realizing what happened to Hong Kong.

          That’s counterfactual and undermines your argument, the amount of tourists from Japan, the US and EU alone is immense and I fear most of them know, but don’t give a shit about Hong Kong (though they really, really should).

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          My guess would be the crown can totally take those powers back, but then the monarchy would be quickly overthrown as their only accepted role these days is to look pretty, draw in tourism, and entertain foreign dignitaries.

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          Are these tankies in the room with us right now? Fuck the CCP, but we’re talking about the west right now, stop trying to divert attention.

          all decisions are handled by parlaiment

          Who is backed by the undemocratic FPTP system, extremely pro-establishment press owned by capitalists waging open class war and a literal house of “lords” who have direct and legal legislative influence, not even lobbying. Imagine if Elon musk could reject legislation. Yeah, democratic af.

          It’s a ruse you fell for, nothing more.

          who are actually a net possitive from tourism.

          Myth. Many countries do not have geriatrics riding around on golden thrones amidst record food bank use while having far more tourism than the UK, and I mean western European nations, not typical global south tourist destinations.

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            A reminder that the report button is not for ‘waaah I don’t like what you said’.

            Cracks knuckles idly

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        Finland is also a fucking joke.

        Reminds me of the time that Madventures bros were in India, talking to a local policeman, and said “Finland is said to be the least corrupt nation in the world” and the Indian policeman laughed so heartily into his moustache I almost fell off my chair.

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          You can do all of the shit mentioned in the post without getting the consequences.

          “Finland is said to be the least corrupt nation in the world” and the Indian policeman laughed so heartily into his moustache

          Which country did the policeman think was less corrupt if we rank so low in his opinion?

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            Which country did the policeman think was less corrupt if we rank so low in his opinion?

            Youre genuinely asking me what some person I saw on TV thinks? How would I know? Even Professor X would have trouble reading someone’s mind through TV.

            The point is the blind faith in that there’s no corruption, which is kept up by corruption.

            I too used to think you we have just the most wonderful country. Then I grew up. You wouldn’t believe half the shit I can tell you about corruption in Finland, but here’s something at least you’ll find challenging to refute, as there’s supreme court documents on it.

            https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html

            That article is about me. I have the original video to prove it. And that’s basically the mildest offence they did that day, and it only saw consequences because I actually had the video. The video and photos the cops had of everything magically vanished when I wanted them to be brought to court.

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              Youre genuinely asking me what some person I saw on TV thinks? How would I know? Even Professor X would have trouble reading someone’s mind through TV.

              I’m pointing how silly it was of him to laugh about it.

              The point is the blind faith in that there’s no corruption, which is kept up by corruption.

              It’s least corrupted country. It’s a comparative to other countries, always has been. If someone misunderstands that to mean that there’s no corruption then that’s on them.

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            Yeah. Must be.

            Can’t be that you, an American, would be ignorant of what is going on in other countries. That would simply be unheard of. /s

            Here’s some aftermath of my personal experience.

            https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html

            Obviously you’re gonna need to use a translator, as even though I can communicate in your language, you can’t do so in mine.

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            You reported him based on him stating an opinion. I ought to ban you for making me click a button.

            Simply: the “report” button is not for this function. I am a lazy and malicious mod. Don’t make me do work.

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                I did browse his profile to see what you were getting at, and I couldn’t find anything supporting this claim. If you have examples, great - I am open-minded and willing to change a stance. I’m not, however, doing a deep dive into a Lemmy user’s past history. I don’t like virtual fishing expeditions, and found this kind of ‘gotcha-ism’ is what made Reddit so toxic.

                Further, even if this person is moderately pro-russian, as long as they aren’t actively condoning the invasion of Ukraine, or actually spreading propaganda, that’s ok in my book. People are welcome to their opinions, and there many, many, shades of grey.

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                  I’ll save you time. I’m Finnish, an NCO in the army reserves. I’ll DM you my sotilaspassi if you want to, lol.

                  He just simply doesn’t like me, and hasn’t the werewithall to actually compose an argument of any type. If you look at his profile, you’ll see it’s filled with “now I know you’re an X troll” comments. His lack of imagination is — as the kids say — cringe.

                  I’m in no way pro-Russian. I actually had a point in my comment. Something I can back up with legally documented personal experiences. I think he just simps Finland and doesn’t actually know what goes around here, so he leaves those asinine oneliners.

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    Freedom of speech protects you from the government, who could otherwise publicly execute you for speaking out against them.

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      So just semi-public executions then :)
      The ones lucky to get mentioned once in the 24h news cycle.

      Also “freedom of speech” should protect you from all.

      Its just that the specific brand of “freedom of speech™” you are probably referring to is limited by your personal power.
      Ie megacorps and the rich have freedom of speech bcs its costs them virtually nothing. But citizens don’t. Citizens get gag orders or sued to oblivion & ruined lives (regardless of the court outcome). I’d say that that is a very strong deterrent that in practice limits your meaningless theoretical rights.

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        Also “freedom of speech” should protect you from all.

        No. Absolutely not. This is why slander and libel exist.

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          Just like with gov - freedom of speech isn’t absolute (thats why treason laws exist & have the highest of punishments).

          Everyone can have consequences.
          But how the tools are set and effective to provide those freedoms equally is the real issue.

          Eg slander acoustics are used all the time for non-slander speech, just as a tool to limit that ones speech and even as a deterrent to others.
          And I would say the wealthy disproportionately accuse of slander the not-so-wealthy.

          Thats why I mention gag orders & lives ruined just by the procedures/tools.

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          Fun fact, in the US you can slander corporations, here in Finland (and prolly others in EU idk), you can’t, because corporations don’t have the same right as people and thus don’t have an honour in the same way a natural person does, and thus you can’t libel or slander a corporation.

          So I can talk all the shit I want of Coke, Facebook, Shell whatever, calling them immoral greedy pedophiles or whatever if I want to, but I couldn’t argue that directly of the natural people who are employed by the company.

          Probably not as simple as I make it. Further elaboration on:

          https://rm.coe.int/1680483b2d

          Anyway just wanted to point out “slander” and “libel” are subjective in the sense of there being so many different legislative frameworks

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    What disgusts me most about conservative voters and capitalists is most of them are so ignorant to admit that capitalism requires balance by virtue. You cannot exist in an environment where everyone is free to have money and buy things with that money and there will always ben enough supply for demand without serious guardrails to ensure it. What MAGA stands for is the idea that capitalism should be highly regulated, highly balanced, and highly fair. These people believe that to their core. They just… don’t vote that way. They’re so arrogant, so propagandized, they’ll continue to vote for the people that wish to continue destabilizing the balance.

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      I pity conservative voters. They’ve been brainwashed by Fox News for decades if not their entire lives

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      What MAGA stands for is the idea that capitalism should be highly regulated, highly balanced, and highly fair.

      Oh fuck right off, no they do not.

      That’s market socialism you’re describing, and MAGA bigots definitely don’t stand for it, much less understanding that “capitalism” isn’t synonymous with “market economy”, much much less caring about actual economics, and more just getting to be in a group of likeminded bigots.

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        I agree, in that most MAGA don’t really believe in much of anything, if a belief must stand a rigorous showing of competence. However, America has been a country championing socialist policy for almost 100 years. Even those spouting Trumpian garbage believe in liberalism. They just have labels and made-up feelings provided to them by the capitalist overclass, convincing them to destroy themselves.

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          However, America has been a country championing socialist policy for almost 100 years.

          Uh, what?

          You have horrible social security and labour laws. If anyone has been “championing socialist policies”, it’s the Nordics, or if talking labour rights especially, France definitely more than the US.

          The American anti-socialist rhetoric is so bad it has its own name. Even very moderate socialist policies are often disparaged as “communism”.

          There’s so much libertarianism online now, mostly affected by said American rhetoric, that I’ve actually met an idiot here in Finland who genuinely argued that homelessness and unemployment is a conscious choice by anyone suffering either.

          You sound a bit like Peter Thiel in this clip (played on John Oliver) where he is pretending Trump’s rhetoric has deeper meaning.

          Since most aren’t gonna listen here’s the transcript:

          Peter Thiel: I think a lot of the voters who vote for Trump, take Trump seriously, but not literally. And so when they hear things like the Muslim comment or the wall comment or things like that, It’s not, the question is not, you know, are you gonna build a wall like the Great Wall of China, or, you know, how exactly are you gonna enforce these tests? What they hear is, we’re gonna have, we’re gonna have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.

          Cut back to John Oliver

          Oliver: Oh, yeah, that is definitely the sense I got from watching those Trump rallies. Yes, while we are all furiously chanting, “build that wall”, we all understand in this context, wall is a clever use of metonymy, or a figure of speech in which 1 word, wall in this example, is used as a stand-in for a saner, more sensible immigration policy. Now, if you will, let’s unpack “Trump the bitch”.

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            You’ve never heard of Social Security? I personally think it’s important to highlight the fundamental pieces of government that already work using systems people could classify as “socialist”. You pay in. You get you cut. The government uses everyones money as leverage.

            The context, is the current population is quite literally on the precipice of throwing out modern liberal democracy all together.

            I agree, of course, there are many other components to being human in America that the government isn’t properly established to deal with. But people who already hate the idea of socialism, they should understand that America grew to what it is, what it was, in part because of those policies.

            It’s also a much better story to wrap yourself in than WW2 dominance and trickle-down horse-shit, and the ever-constant reminder of failed reconstruction and native demolition. America came together once, in the darkness of the Depression, to build a foundation. The last several generations, even those that existed when these programs were established, have existed to destroy and steal and gut. But Reagan told us all it was the government’s fault, and in the golden hue of the 1980s, who the fuck needed Social Security? It was those same government programs that saved Americas cities, that built Americas roads. Many of the tracks may be gone, but they’ve all been replaced with internet cables — similarly a public enterprise.

            America is not a socialist country, it’s constitution needs rewritten. But so much of what makes America what it is, what Americans understand America to be, is solely because of social liberalism. And all of these people that are voting Trump, they should understand that. Because Trump literally stands for demolishing all of it.

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              You’ve never heard of Social Security?

              Oh, you’ve never heard of the The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea? As you can see from the name, they’re definitely democratic.

              The US social security is a bad joke compared to other developed nations.

              To say “USA has been championing socialist policies for 100 years” is on the same level as saying “China has been championing personal freedom for 100 years”.

              The US doesn’t even have direct presidential elections, which by the standard of developed democratic nations is extremely weird.

              There’s a lot there I don’t need to comment on. I’m challenging you on your “America has been championing socialist policies for 100 years” comment.

              Compared to European social security and labour laws, US socialist policies and labour laws are pretty much on the level of developing nations — if that.

              Case in point; Among 41 countries, only U.S. lacks paid parental leave

              Are you honestly trying to use public roads as an example of “having championed socialist policies”? Not exactly the most novel or progressive policy, I would say.

              https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-paradigm-shift-in-social-policy-how-finland-conquered-homelessness-a-ba1a531e-8129-4c71-94fc-7268c5b109d9

              Last Week Tonight with John Oliver - Homelessness

              https://www.cbpp.org/research/social-security/social-security-benefits-are-modest

              Social Security benefits in the United States are lower than many other developed countries.

              You have people who are employed full time, some even in two jobs, who still have to live and shit on the street.

              “Championing socialist policies” lol

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                I also said a century. I mean when was Social Security setup in your country? I don’t think you understand the ideological war being fought in America.

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                Literal strawman nonsense, look at this man go. I think you should understand that America is attempting to erode a woman’s right to vote. That’s what I’m saying. That all these people that think America should continue down the path of abandoning modern democracy should look into Americas past and understand the points in time in which it has championed for rights.

                Thats the way you use that word. You’re literally admitting you’re ESL and can’t use English as well as I can. You’ve built a massive strawman on this simple fact. Other commentors can see my point. You can’t. Sorry.

                Like I actually can’t believe you’ve built this massive of a strawman, it’s incredible. All because you don’t know the definition of a word. That’s literally all you go back to, as well. Nothing else I say matters. You just masturbate to your strawman, Mr Fin.

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              Ok yes. In the 1930s the United States came shockingly close to socialist revolution over the Great Depression and as such we won massive concessions that have been in the process of being eroded since the end of wwii, but especially since the 80s. Such a massive propaganda campaign combined with anti communist crackdowns happened that we basically surrendered social security and couldn’t implement universal healthcare

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                See this guy understands what I’m saying.

                To say that America is “number 1” is not what I was saying, it was that at the heart of the American governmental systems lies a true socialist foundation. That’s why it’s been hammered for so long, because it’s what should have propelled America into the 21st century.

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            So you just downvote me, because you didn’t quite understand.

            Brother, I’m happy the government of Finland is strong in the face of Russian fascists. But Republicans are not. And in America today, waving around John Oliver clips about “how obviously America is trash for 18 reasons” only exists to destroy a narrative with Trumpian citizens — those same citizens that wish to use their voting power to demolish the institution. They already have SCOTUS. Technically, they’ve already won the election.

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              So you just downvote me, because you didn’t quite understand.

              Made my drink spill out my nose for laughing so hard.

              No, “brother”, it’s you who doesn’t understand. And this not understanding — willfully so even — is a hallmark of the American spirit.

              Saying “the US has been championing socialist policies for 100 years” is the same as saying “China has been championing personal freedom for 100 years”.

              “Waving around John Oliver America Bad clips” = “I don’t have the cognitive capabilities to pay attention to an award winning journalistic show that sources it’s claims so thus everything addressed in it is shit”

              The US still doesn’t have a direct presidential election, I don’t think you’ve quite understood what that means.

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                You’re right, the phrasing is generous. I mean even 100 years ago, it’d be far more about championing white rights. If reconstruction went better… but that’s my point. I think we have differing definitions of the word “championing”. It does not mean to be the best, but rather the support for exists. And America has been pushing for these ideals. In comparison to so some other country, that isnt inundated with capitalist cowboys and slave stories — sure, nice. Even some countries that have those were able to. But still, those in America have championed for social rights, and fundamental programs exist that prove that. You just think it means “best in the world”, and after watching all the Olympics, I forgive you.

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                  I think we have differing definitions of the word “championing”.

                  No, we don’t. You’re trying to pretend we do, to get out of having said something utterly silly.

                  It’s far sillier to try those sort of semantical shenanigans than just admitting to having said something silly in the first place.

                  And America has been pushing for these ideals

                  You had segregation just 60 years ago, you still don’t have limitless sickleave or even mandatory maternity leave. You have homeless people — who actually have jobs — shitting on the streets and dying from completely treatable things like infections, because they can’t afford the insane prices of healthcare. Education is more or less a joke, you’re literally burning books.

                  America has been actively suppressing socialist policies (and complete governments). That’s a fact. Not an argument. Not an opinion. And definitely not up to semantics.

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        I still believe that fits the definition:

        1. An economic doctrine that opposes governmental regulation of or interference in commerce beyond the minimum necessary for a free-enterprise system to operate according to its own economic laws.

        I add the highlighting to point out that in order for a society to stay fair, it must be regulated. If they believe that a free market should be everlasting, they should also believe that enabling the capitalist overclass would be detrimental to that goal. They tend to vote, however, for that same overclass that seeks to destroy the balance, and destroy any semblance of a “laissez-faire” market.

        Like, an example. Trump says he wants to add a 10-20% tariff on all imports. Is that a “laissez-faire” government? However, if you explained to these people, without Fox News, what that meant… rhey’d clearly say it was some planned-economy Argentine shit.

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    If you think living in a non “western democracy” allows you to shit talk your boss or the government… I invite you to try.

    I hope this won’t be banned for wishing death on someone.