I’m not against those who work for sex, but the idea to earn for a living doesn’t seem nice. IMO, sex should be for 2 people (or more for others who prefer polyamory) who wants to be intimate/romantic with each other. My point is money should not be the purpose.
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In germany sex Work is a normal regulated job like any other. You are insured, receive vacation days, etc. It is accepted here as completely normal work like any other. Because it is. was once in a brothel with a friend. While he was in the room with a lady, talked to the others and asked why they were doing this job. The answer was “I like dicks” and “Its fun and pays very well” To be honest, the ladies seem to enjoy their work more (and earn a lot more) than any job I’ve had in my life.
I don’t judge at all. Not all sex work is sex for money, but even in that case, I think it’s fine. There’s nothing magical about sex. And there can be lots of reasons a person might not get all their needs met within a relationship.
I do worry it can be a trap for some, but I think it’s a valid choice. Idk. I’m specialized (trapped) in IT work and whore myself out to corporations for money. Ultimately there probably isn’t that much of a difference.
It is also called the world’s oldest business. They have done it long before I could ever judge it, and they will continue afterwards, whatever my judgement may be.
Why do you get to have an opinion on something between two strangers that otherwise doesn’t affect you
I have an opinion because it affects anyone sexually active that is not in an exclusive relationship. Legalized sex work would increase sex worker healthcare, directly reducing national STD numbers.
Legalized and well regulated*👌
Yeah, libertine social values historically died off through STD epidemics. Puritanic cultural strictures were ultimately survival mechanisms in societies that didn’t have safe sex practices and technology.
Sure, Im not directly affected, but feel bad for people needing to work for it.
Well that just seems like an opinion on the human mindset dating back thousands of years.
And what about women who marry guys for their money, in order to be trophy wives? Is that sex work?
And what would you suggest incels who are hopped up on repressed hormones and horny intentions do? Would you rather they rape an unconsenting woman? Or pay money to a consent for pay woman?
And what about women who ENJOY sex work? You know how they say never make your hobby your living? Well, maybe that doesn’t apply when you’re taking it in the ass for $1000, and orgasming all over the ancient oriential throw rug.
And what about porn? Should porn only exist from guys who leaked out private sex tapes? Without paid sex models who have no experience in acting, we wouldn’t have such jems as the lemon stealing whores! I LOVE that intro! I’ve never seen the actual porn side of that video, but sometimes porn unintentionally creates cultural masterpieces!
I mean, honestly! Whats better every Saturday night than lighting some candles, putting on some light music, and just wackin’ it to some pornagraphic video that highlights the peak of society. A woman trapped in the washing machine, and her stepbro finding her completely helpless!
And what would you suggest incels who are hopped up on repressed hormones and horny intentions do? Would you rather they rape an unconsenting woman? Or pay money to a consent for pay woman?
I would rather not have sex workers subjected to those people and that they instead get the thearpy that they need. Its crazy that you seem to imply that men who can’t get sex will just rape women.
And if they find sucking some dick less repulsive than sitting in a call center 10 hours a day?
Do you know they need to do it?
Ok yeah im not aware of those people tbh
Sure it’d be great if basic needs like food, shelter, healthcare and yes, sex, weren’t commoditized, but until we get Sexicaid for All, I’m fine with people making money from sex and paying for it. Legalize and regulate it for the safety of the workers and the customers.
^Someone please come up with a better name than Sexicaid^
Sexycare, or maybe sexicare?
omg I’m an idiot I was trying to riff off Medicare for All and used Medicaid instead, Sexicare definitely works
Office workers also sell their bodies.
Builders sell their bodies too.
Sex work is no different than any other line of work.
Yes but those jobs require at least an apprenticeship. There’s no training to being a whore.
If both sides can choose who to engage with, would that sway you? It doesn’t necessarily have to have the sweetness of intimacy or romance to it, it can be a fantasy and a means to an end.
Adults have the abillity to engage in free enterprise, as long as all parties involved consent I see no issue.
Regarding sex, the only times you get to have oppinions about another persons sex life is…
…when you are part of it.
…when it involves underage people.
Why should money be a taboo reason to have sex? You don’t get to pick and choose what motivation other people have for sex.
You don’t have to engage with this type of enterprise if you don’t want to, so leave other’s alone.
In general, prostitution will allways happen, you can try whatever laws you want, but you can’t stop it. The only thing prohibition acomplishes is to deny sex workers the protections they need to stay safe.
Outlawing prostitution is the same as outlawing drugs, it doesn’t fix the problem, it just makes it unregulated…
This is the right answer.
Or if it’s not consensual, we should care about that too.
You generally implied this but it’s worth repeating.
Very true!
Thank you for bringing that to light.
I also condiser passive participants to be part of the activity and get to have a say.
Stuff like exhibitionism, don’t have sex in public view since that forces everyone in view to take part in your activity, even if only passively.
While I agree with your argument that prohibition has seldom made anything better, the problem with prostitution is that it often does not happen voluntarily. While the transaction itself might still appear to be, in the background there are dire lives and more often than not human trafficking and extortion.
Germany has tried establishing sex work as “real” and regulated work for voluntary self-employed persons, including healthcare and consulting services. In the end this lead mostly to a steep increase in effectively illegal prostitution, as pimps used cover-constructs. Consequently forced prostitution esp. from eastern Europe flooded the marked with dirt-cheap offerings.
There is no easy solution for this. I believe that as with everything that happens within isolated milieus the only way to effectively tackle this problem is to reach out directly to the affected persons on a broad basis. But this is laborious and costly…
You raise some very good points, I don’t want to pretend to have all answers.
Sex work is vulnerable work, and much depends on all parties involved earnestly waning to make and keep it safe.
As I was typing this, I thought that since we can’t trust the private sector with this, what about forming a government agency to deal with licensing and care of sex workers.
But I quickly realized that the organizational issues are just part of the issues, there have been many, many examples of administrators abusing their position.
There is no quick fix for this, the one thing I can think of is a cultural shift to raise the status of the work, then it could be a way forward, but this takes time.
What is your purpose, trololo? I’d really like To know.
The choice/situation blends in with every occupation so as long as no aggression or wrongful leverage is involved.
Do I “approve” of sex work? It’s not my place to either approve or disapprove of what other people do with their time, their money or their bodies. The question is loaded to provide justification for your moral outrage.
If you feel like money is a corrupting factor then don’t hire a sex worker.
For my part, they’re some of the chillest people I’ve gotten to know, and they’re not hurting anyone just by their existence.
Not to mention that literally every action that even tangentially ostracizes or criminalizes sex work has horrifying blowback against victims of human trafficking and against sex workers in positions of vulnerability.
The Craigslist purge for example led to waaaaaaaay more dangerous working conditions for sex workers since it removed one of the few tools they had to reliably vet possible clients.
There’s literally no approach to sex work other than just letting them fucking be that doesn’t end up causing exponentially more harm to completely innocent people than could ever morally justify doing anything except just letting them fucking be.
I think sex work is more honorable than many lawful professions. It’s really unfair that prostitutes have higher rates of workplace violence than insurance sales.
Maybe fair is the wrong word.
Are you suggesting folks working at insurance companies should experience any workplace violence? It’d be better if both experienced as close to zero as possible.
Not encouraging violence against anybody. Just observing that some businesses routinely treat their customers worse than prostitutes treat theirs, and that courtesy isn’t always reciprocal.
I think within a capitalist system it is going to exist regardless of how illegal you make it so it should be made legal so that it can be more thoroughly regulated. However, I don’t believe anyone should have to sell their body to make a living no.
So while I disagree with prostitution as an industry because of how it commodifies people (especially women) I don’t think making it illegal within a capitalist society is a solution that helps anyone. Ultimately I would hope for a society in which prostitution would never be necessary for someone to meet their needs, one where love could be free but that isn’t a realistic goal at the moment
I’m pretty sure prostitution isn’t exclusive to capitalist countries
