You can’t guarantee better mods, those are volunteers/instance admins/staff of an instance admin and are people. There is nothing inherent to how Lemmy works that ensures that people tasked with moderating aren’t power hungry or in some way a bit of a dick. There was to my understanding, a certain draw to Lemmy over Reddit in that the federated nature means the actions of some power hungry moderator on one instance won’t leave you having no option but to accept their behaviour because you can just migrate to another instance to see and interact with the same content or even spin up your own instance, but that doesn’t make the mods themselves any different and that’s all in theory anyway. In practice there isn’t currently a way to migrate user accounts from one instance to another so if your account is of value to you and you’ve run afoul of some ban happy mod in one community on one instance, then you’ll have to make a whole new account on another instance if you want to circumvent them and interact in that same community again from another instance and in such a case if its identifiably still you, or you want to engage in the original behaviour that incurred their wrath then they’ll just ban you again from your new instance because a different protocol design doesn’t mean different people.
I like that we can escape from site admins. There’s some profound magical thinking going on at lemmy.ml. But I have unsubscribed to all their communities. I haven’t yet blocked it entirely but I could do that too.
Not only that but where do they think 3/4 of the mods went during the great migration and blackout out reddit?
Lemmy dudes. They haven’t gone anywhere lol. Hell, reddit feels even less moderated these days besides the usual stickler subs like /r/anime lmfao.
Lemmy makes it a bit easier to make competing communities. If enough people get angry at bad mods in a community they will migrate.
This already happened in Reddit, but competing communities had different names, and Lemmy also allows to escape bad admins and sites/instances.
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
No way, reddit mods are insane.
Yeah, mostly limited to specific instances though.
Like this one.
And world
Why are you still on .world?
I’ll probably migrate eventually. I’ve already changed a few times and it used to be a hassle but apparently it’s not now? But I just haven’t gotten around to it yet lol
I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.
See, the app won’t track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private
Privacy in the sense that no one is selling your information for profit
No, it’s just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.
I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.
Any script kiddie can scrape the entirety of Lemmy, with the exception of direct/private messages. robots.txt is merely a request, with no enforcement capability.
In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.
That was what I was going to say.
That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.
New instances basically suck down everything as the most normal use case. That’s what activitypub is for.
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don’t trust anyone that much.
Is your IP passed on to other instances along with your post/comment?
Nope, that info stays on the home instance.
No. ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances.
No idea. I installed a VPN on my router to get privacy. That’s all I ask.
Trust them with what though? What are you posting?
Did you just do the “if you don’t have anything to hide, what’s the big deal” move?
I want privacy. That’s all.
I’m just saying that you’re literally making posts and comments specifically to be heard. What’s getting obscured here?
Well, my ISP doesn’t need to know anything about my posts. And the fediverse doesn’t need to know who I am beyond “growingentropy,” so…
Ah yeah that makes sense.
I have a router with a VPN. I’m not disabling that just to post on lemmy.world.
Meanwhile I know lemmy instance that blocks most clearnet connections and can be accessed from tor and i2p
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.
ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances, but of course, like all websites, your home instance can see your IP.
We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?
Many Lemmy instances block VPN posting. You can view, but not vote or post. I have a secondary private VPN I use sometimes for that. But honestly the whole thing just sucks.
I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.
While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.
But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you’re ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.
What you’re doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don’t trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that’s the catch with privacy, if you can’t trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.
And generally that’s fine. If you’re posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.
Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn’t call it “private” because it’s monetized.
Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.
I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.
The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.
Reddit on pc and lemmy on the phone. Better content on reddit with discussions not always becoming an ad for linux
It’s not a service issue, it’s a people issue. Just wait and see Lemmy just turn up the same.
Reddit: porn
Lemmy: no porn
There’s like, a whole instance for porn.
Many instances are defederated but not dbzer0
Yeah but OP is from dbzer0, and i bet some smaller one doesn’t defederate as well.
That was my point. I have a dbzer0 account as well and I block all these communities so I’m surprised they don’t even see them
The key is to make your own porn account on lemmynsfw
Me over here just vibing by myself on my own self-hosted instance that I pay out of pocket for. I go find communities I like and subscribe to them, and it’s enough to keep me interested and engaged, without most of the bullshit Reddit has.
Exactly this
Definitely a good route!
Uh, no. Better mods is bullshit.
The same powertripping happens here and the admins are just as dismissive.
Can confirm! You banned me from your little community because you were too fragile to hear that your religion is fictitious. On a post complaining that atheists won’t debate you.
It is so invigorating to see you remember me.
You were banned for deliberate intellectual dishonesty, which I had clearly predicted in the thread. Shame I forgot to block you as well. Let me take care of that.
Fight fight fight!
Of course I remember one of the most fragile and hypocritical of all the several dozen regulars on Lemmy.
It’s a shame you want to block me. I like you aside from the massive projection issues. Oh well.
It’s shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place and thus I don’t block them but are otherwise overly committed to specific and weirdly hyper critical takes.
Like they want the discussion/fight but only as long as they win every time even though no one is 100% right about anything. And not everyone needs to know or believe in the same hyper specific thought process they believe in.
It’s shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place
Zero tolerance policy here. If a person is being needlessly antagonistic or resorting to personal attacks, they get blocked. On reddit it was pointless because the assholes number in the millions, but Lemmy is small enough that it’s made the experience better over time.
Reddit’s blocking mechanism was also insane. Take this hypothetical thread,
- User A
- User B
- User C
If User B blocks User A, User A cannot reply to User C. Blocking on Reddit prevents people from replying to anything that is a reply to you instead of just your own comments.
Works the same here, from what I can tell. I would prefer a “this user has been blocked by you” message instead of just cutting off the whole thread.
People on reddit understand that memes are supposed to be funny/clever, at least.
The main problem is, people are not aware of the left path
Is the onboarding experience any better? I remember the initial process of joining Lemmy felt very shady and not user friendly. That can be a massive deterrent for people joining. Then on top of that having to filter out all the communities that are not to my taste.
Overall it was a messy non-user friendly experience, but now that I’m here I’m happy.
I tried to recruit a friend of mine but the moment I tried to explain instances to him, he zoned out. I wouldn’t call it non-user friendly, but it’s not as simple and dumbed down like other social media is.
Also roughly a year ago there have been a couple of articles thrown around on Twitter and certain subreddits which wrote about CP stuff going on on Mastodon. So the Fediverse had some bad press. Which is rich coming from the site that allowed people like Violentacrez to fester.
Instances are great, but are also a problem for onboarding.
Is there a single point of entry for people now? I can imagine there being a website people could go to that asks a few simple questions and sorts (or load balances) people to certain instances. This would of course need some way for people to transfer their accounts in the future should they not be happy with their instance. Additionally each instance would need to have some kind of API call for the single point of entry to create the accounts You could even have a simple survey to gauge people’s interests to help them in the community filtering process and present the mobile apps that are available.
Just some thoughts of course on how it might be possible to improve the users first experience.
You are right. There’s join-lemmy, but the problem is that people often get sent from another site to the join-lemmy site which then wants to send them to another site. Too many refferals not enough seeing content.
Example: start here https://alternativeto.net/software/reddit/
Well the main problem is that the left path has about a tenth the content.
And also that Redditors are terrified of change.
So many communities simply don’t have alternatives here. But I’m happier with the quality of the communities that do exist. So what if they don’t have spam bots sharing 6-12 month old memes that sometimes make no sense outside the timeframe they were post and users just repeating catch phrases for karma increasing the amount of “content”?
There are like 5 people here to talk about my entire country of 10 million while the Reddit community gets 2000+ every day. Even a karma farmer would help here as long as it’s not a bot and occasionally replies to comments.
Correction to my comment, the right road is wider, and is also a giant glue trap
about a tenth the content
I fucking wish.
hi, just created my account and installed voyager to browse on my phone. its great so far, I hope it’ll last and I can ditch reddit entirely. Trying to find more interest-based fediverses, anyone know where to look?
Love the irony of this being posted on .ml which has trash mods and admins that will ban you from completely unrelated communities if you dare to call out their bullshit.
I was just re-wiping my Reddit comments with an updated text yesterday and apparently, the word “enshittification” is banned on r/hellsomememes. Seriously?
I miss the content though, and I have too much of a life to create a fediverse community and fill it with content even if it’s stolen. Can somebody break Reddit’s ToS and set up a reposting bot?
r/hellsomememes
Would like to see that community on Lemmy
So would @[email protected] and @[email protected]. That makes four!
I am too busy to create it though.
Reposting bots aren’t great. It just means a bunch of articles with no comments that make Lemmy look more dead than it actually is.
These aren’t articles, they’re just memes. The discussion below is mostly just “aww” and “I’d like a demon friend too” so it’s not too important. Of course, the reposting should not be overdone: perhaps limit the bot to a single top post every day.
There are some reposting bot, Lemmit comes to mind
Can you, or anyone, explain to me how tf to do the text overwriting thing? Like, is it even doable for someone who doesn’t know the first thing about coding?
I am using Shreddit on Linux. It goes through each line in
comments.csvfrom the GDPR export I requested, which is more complete than the data PowerDeleteSuite gets access to. PowerDeleteSuite basically clicks through your comment history on old.reddit.com and submits edit requests, while Shreddit uses the powerful API (it’s not paid for personal use but you need to register the client, see the github page) and will find all comments thanks to the legally-mandated completeness of the GDPR export (if supplied; it will use the API to retrieve the comment list otherwise). BTW, you can alter thecomments.csvfor a custom filter (for example, I want to use a Czech string in Czech subreddits). You can use it on Windows (and it’s an easier installation) but because of non-POSIX shenanigans, newlines in the replacement string won’t work there.If using PowerDeleteSuite, make sure to download the log file it supplies before you close the window or your original comment content will be lost!
What do you mean by “privacy” on the lemmy side? And aren’t the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
Hi, I’m Serinus of the Lemmy.World Community Team checking in.
And aren’t the mods mostly the same mods that were active onnreddit before?
No. Most of the mods from Reddit stayed on Reddit to desperately cling to “power”.
Also, if you want to help with this, talk to me about modding a community or two.
in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only consume content, 9% of the participants change or update content, and 1% of the participants add content.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule
It generally takes about five minutes a month to mod a medium (Lemmy) sized community. I have to beg people to volunteer, and they often turn me down.
Our top mods seem to be great people, but I’m still trying to informally limit how many communities they have in favor of having more diversity and fresh blood. But it’s difficult when they’re willing to actively help out, and I have to go beg otherwise active people who turn me down.
Please, if you don’t like super mods and you want to actually help, go take a look at some of your favorite communities right now. See if the mods have posted in the last couple months. If they haven’t, talk to me about modding that community. Mention this post.
