Uh, no. Better mods is bullshit.
The same powertripping happens here and the admins are just as dismissive.
Can confirm! You banned me from your little community because you were too fragile to hear that your religion is fictitious. On a post complaining that atheists won’t debate you.
It is so invigorating to see you remember me.
You were banned for deliberate intellectual dishonesty, which I had clearly predicted in the thread. Shame I forgot to block you as well. Let me take care of that.
Fight fight fight!
Of course I remember one of the most fragile and hypocritical of all the several dozen regulars on Lemmy.
It’s a shame you want to block me. I like you aside from the massive projection issues. Oh well.
It’s shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place and thus I don’t block them but are otherwise overly committed to specific and weirdly hyper critical takes.
Like they want the discussion/fight but only as long as they win every time even though no one is 100% right about anything. And not everyone needs to know or believe in the same hyper specific thought process they believe in.
It’s shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place
Zero tolerance policy here. If a person is being needlessly antagonistic or resorting to personal attacks, they get blocked. On reddit it was pointless because the assholes number in the millions, but Lemmy is small enough that it’s made the experience better over time.
Reddit’s blocking mechanism was also insane. Take this hypothetical thread,
- User A
- User B
- User C
If User B blocks User A, User A cannot reply to User C. Blocking on Reddit prevents people from replying to anything that is a reply to you instead of just your own comments.
Works the same here, from what I can tell. I would prefer a “this user has been blocked by you” message instead of just cutting off the whole thread.
Lemmy: with account and active participation (but lurking most of the time) Reddit: using RedReader without account to browse all those best posts from days past.
lemmy aint that private, and possibly easily scrapable
Reddit isn’t privacy-safe either.
I’d put less bots/more legitimate users as a benefit of lemmy instead of privacy though.
also a gdpr nightmare
Care to explain why?
I’m assuming he means because federation, even if you delete something its mirrored on other instances
Sure, but the deletion is also mirrored to the other instances no?
Under normal circumstances. But there could be federation issues, or someone could run a custom Verizon that just ignores all deletion requests.
I’m unsure if that’s considered part of the diligence required in Europe.
it should
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Yeah, but companies can also “choose” to ignore GDPR requests. I don’t think talking about instances not following the spec and deleting things when requested is relevant.
It’s as private as you make it. It does not have integrated tracking and/or ad trafficking.
Couldn’t it? If an Instance owner so chose?
Of course it COULD but someone has to modify the code. Boost for Lemmy also shows google ads…
Not a code change at all, just a filtering of the traffic from particular ip’s and forwarding it to a different page which is all that reddit is doing as well.
How can you implement Google AdSense banners like that???
I wasn’t talking about good AdSense in this case, just the page you are redirected to if you are coming from one of their marked VPN IP addresses. Unless this has changed since the last time I attempted to go to Reddit with a VPN on. But that’s the behavior I’ve witnessed.
Yeah, Lemmy doesn’t block you from accessing it via a VPN, for one.
To be honest, privacy is not a major concern of mine and wasn’t a factor in my decision making at all. Things like messages not being e2e encrypted don’t really bother me that much.
not having e2e bothers me on private 1on1 chat apps.
i don’t expect it on lemmy though.
As all sites should be. I’m on the internet, mr world wide. When did we expect privacy. Don’t put nothing online you don’t want the world to know.
I used to think like this, but it’s a bit more nuanced./ If you tell people they can’t have any expectation of privacy, it’s essentially telling people of persecuted minorities that they’re not welcome.
Perfect privacy is impossible, but it shouldn’t be trivial to violate someone’s privacy when their membership of such a community is relevant.
I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.
That was what I was going to say.
That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.
New instances basically suck down everything as the most normal use case. That’s what activitypub is for.
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view?
That depends on the implementation.
Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?
That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.
We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?
Many Lemmy instances block VPN posting. You can view, but not vote or post. I have a secondary private VPN I use sometimes for that. But honestly the whole thing just sucks.
I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.
While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.
But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you’re ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.
What you’re doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don’t trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that’s the catch with privacy, if you can’t trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.
ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances, but of course, like all websites, your home instance can see your IP.
I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don’t trust anyone that much.
Trust them with what though? What are you posting?
Did you just do the “if you don’t have anything to hide, what’s the big deal” move?
I want privacy. That’s all.
I’m just saying that you’re literally making posts and comments specifically to be heard. What’s getting obscured here?
Well, my ISP doesn’t need to know anything about my posts. And the fediverse doesn’t need to know who I am beyond “growingentropy,” so…
Ah yeah that makes sense.
I have a router with a VPN. I’m not disabling that just to post on lemmy.world.
Meanwhile I know lemmy instance that blocks most clearnet connections and can be accessed from tor and i2p
Is your IP passed on to other instances along with your post/comment?
Nope, that info stays on the home instance.
No idea. I installed a VPN on my router to get privacy. That’s all I ask.
No. ActivityPub does not share your IP with other instances.
The amount of magical thinking around federated protocols both on Lemmy and Mastodon is astounding. Sure, design decisions make a difference, but federations gonna federate.
Privacy in the sense that no one is selling your information for profit
In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.
No, it’s just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.
I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.
Any script kiddie can scrape the entirety of Lemmy, with the exception of direct/private messages. robots.txt is merely a request, with no enforcement capability.
See, the app won’t track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private
And generally that’s fine. If you’re posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.
Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn’t call it “private” because it’s monetized.
Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.
I desperately want all my posts on all forum like sites to be easily indexable by search engines. That Reddit blocked other search engines besides Google from indexing is crazy.
Is there more privacy though? What you post is public and people can use the api/scrape it soo…
yeah, this is literally a public forum. Everything posted is public. Nothing is private.
That being the case, I would LOVE better search indexing, so I could search Lemmy, then reddit, THEN the rest of the web lol.
We are free from “intrusive advertisers who tracks every movement, clicks and time spent on each kind of post, comment or whatever”
As well as device fingerprinters
Reddit on pc and lemmy on the phone. Better content on reddit with discussions not always becoming an ad for linux
Reddit: porn
Lemmy: no porn
There’s like, a whole instance for porn.
Many instances are defederated but not dbzer0
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Yeah but OP is from dbzer0, and i bet some smaller one doesn’t defederate as well.
That was my point. I have a dbzer0 account as well and I block all these communities so I’m surprised they don’t even see them
It’s not a service issue, it’s a people issue. Just wait and see Lemmy just turn up the same.
Me over here just vibing by myself on my own self-hosted instance that I pay out of pocket for. I go find communities I like and subscribe to them, and it’s enough to keep me interested and engaged, without most of the bullshit Reddit has.
Definitely a good route!
Exactly this
You can’t guarantee better mods, those are volunteers/instance admins/staff of an instance admin and are people. There is nothing inherent to how Lemmy works that ensures that people tasked with moderating aren’t power hungry or in some way a bit of a dick. There was to my understanding, a certain draw to Lemmy over Reddit in that the federated nature means the actions of some power hungry moderator on one instance won’t leave you having no option but to accept their behaviour because you can just migrate to another instance to see and interact with the same content or even spin up your own instance, but that doesn’t make the mods themselves any different and that’s all in theory anyway. In practice there isn’t currently a way to migrate user accounts from one instance to another so if your account is of value to you and you’ve run afoul of some ban happy mod in one community on one instance, then you’ll have to make a whole new account on another instance if you want to circumvent them and interact in that same community again from another instance and in such a case if its identifiably still you, or you want to engage in the original behaviour that incurred their wrath then they’ll just ban you again from your new instance because a different protocol design doesn’t mean different people.
I like that we can escape from site admins. There’s some profound magical thinking going on at lemmy.ml. But I have unsubscribed to all their communities. I haven’t yet blocked it entirely but I could do that too.
Lemmy makes it a bit easier to make competing communities. If enough people get angry at bad mods in a community they will migrate.
This already happened in Reddit, but competing communities had different names, and Lemmy also allows to escape bad admins and sites/instances.
Not only that but where do they think 3/4 of the mods went during the great migration and blackout out reddit?
Lemmy dudes. They haven’t gone anywhere lol. Hell, reddit feels even less moderated these days besides the usual stickler subs like /r/anime lmfao.
People on reddit understand that memes are supposed to be funny/clever, at least.
The main problem is, people are not aware of the left path
Is the onboarding experience any better? I remember the initial process of joining Lemmy felt very shady and not user friendly. That can be a massive deterrent for people joining. Then on top of that having to filter out all the communities that are not to my taste.
Overall it was a messy non-user friendly experience, but now that I’m here I’m happy.
I tried to recruit a friend of mine but the moment I tried to explain instances to him, he zoned out. I wouldn’t call it non-user friendly, but it’s not as simple and dumbed down like other social media is.
Also roughly a year ago there have been a couple of articles thrown around on Twitter and certain subreddits which wrote about CP stuff going on on Mastodon. So the Fediverse had some bad press. Which is rich coming from the site that allowed people like Violentacrez to fester.
Instances are great, but are also a problem for onboarding.
Is there a single point of entry for people now? I can imagine there being a website people could go to that asks a few simple questions and sorts (or load balances) people to certain instances. This would of course need some way for people to transfer their accounts in the future should they not be happy with their instance. Additionally each instance would need to have some kind of API call for the single point of entry to create the accounts You could even have a simple survey to gauge people’s interests to help them in the community filtering process and present the mobile apps that are available.
Just some thoughts of course on how it might be possible to improve the users first experience.
You are right. There’s join-lemmy, but the problem is that people often get sent from another site to the join-lemmy site which then wants to send them to another site. Too many refferals not enough seeing content.
Example: start here https://alternativeto.net/software/reddit/
Well the main problem is that the left path has about a tenth the content.
And also that Redditors are terrified of change.
So many communities simply don’t have alternatives here. But I’m happier with the quality of the communities that do exist. So what if they don’t have spam bots sharing 6-12 month old memes that sometimes make no sense outside the timeframe they were post and users just repeating catch phrases for karma increasing the amount of “content”?
There are like 5 people here to talk about my entire country of 10 million while the Reddit community gets 2000+ every day. Even a karma farmer would help here as long as it’s not a bot and occasionally replies to comments.
Correction to my comment, the right road is wider, and is also a giant glue trap
about a tenth the content
I fucking wish.
It’s the same picture.
Was I the only one who read “power hungry” and “mods” separately and thought it fit with how reddit is run these days? I.E. the owners of the site are power hungry. I mean, the mods are too but they don’t hold a candle to the owners or reddit.
I was just re-wiping my Reddit comments with an updated text yesterday and apparently, the word “enshittification” is banned on r/hellsomememes. Seriously?
I miss the content though, and I have too much of a life to create a fediverse community and fill it with content even if it’s stolen. Can somebody break Reddit’s ToS and set up a reposting bot?
Reposting bots aren’t great. It just means a bunch of articles with no comments that make Lemmy look more dead than it actually is.
These aren’t articles, they’re just memes. The discussion below is mostly just “aww” and “I’d like a demon friend too” so it’s not too important. Of course, the reposting should not be overdone: perhaps limit the bot to a single top post every day.
r/hellsomememes
Would like to see that community on Lemmy
So would @[email protected] and @[email protected]. That makes four!
I am too busy to create it though.
There are some reposting bot, Lemmit comes to mind
Can you, or anyone, explain to me how tf to do the text overwriting thing? Like, is it even doable for someone who doesn’t know the first thing about coding?
I am using Shreddit on Linux. It goes through each line in
comments.csvfrom the GDPR export I requested, which is more complete than the data PowerDeleteSuite gets access to. PowerDeleteSuite basically clicks through your comment history on old.reddit.com and submits edit requests, while Shreddit uses the powerful API (it’s not paid for personal use but you need to register the client, see the github page) and will find all comments thanks to the legally-mandated completeness of the GDPR export (if supplied; it will use the API to retrieve the comment list otherwise). BTW, you can alter thecomments.csvfor a custom filter (for example, I want to use a Czech string in Czech subreddits). You can use it on Windows (and it’s an easier installation) but because of non-POSIX shenanigans, newlines in the replacement string won’t work there.If using PowerDeleteSuite, make sure to download the log file it supplies before you close the window or your original comment content will be lost!
