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Most of windows products get increasingly worse over time. Security updates aside, I’ve never understood why the didn’t just stop updating things to save themselves the money and save us the hassle.
Windows 95, ME, NT, and 2000 erasure.
And 3.11 for Workgroups.
nobody talks about 2000 bc 2000 was solid as fuck and there was nothing to complain about
Wait win 11 is a beyblade?
Wait win 11 is a beyblade?
…a beyblade that spies on you.
NSAblade?
Apt.
What about Windows ME? - the best version of classic windows.
It’s just a bottle of whiskey
Windows ME was one of those squeaky toy hammers.
Or a jack-in-the-box. You crank the lever hoping it’ll work this time around, and *BLAM*: BSOD.
I miss windows millennium, which would be a hammer made of a turd.
They know we liked Win7. They’ll never go back, they’ll just keep making it worse for us and more profitable for them.
That’s why I switched to Linux Mint a year ago. I feel sorry for people who can’t switch for whatever reason.
I did a switch last week and i feel like my life became just a little bit more bearable because THERE IS NO FUCKING BLOAT. Win11 actively makes you feel bad using a computer.
Windows 9 looks nice, I’ll take that one
Telemetry started way, way earlier then Win 10.
Not nearly to the extent that we have now.
The slowly boiling pot.
I’ve never used Windows as my main machine, but even before WINE/Proton were as mature as they are now, I never did personal or important work on my Windows installation. It might seem silly to care that Windows was sending back system specs in Win98(or earlier?), but it did it without asking or even informing. It was just such a huge sign of disrespect to the end user and Microsoft has only doubled down on that disrespect for the end user.
The slowly boiling pot.
Except here people jump out if they’re ccooked.
This is Lemmy. I’m surprised people have are defending any version of Windows, but most outsiders to this community are still very comfy in their surveillance state OS and will mock Linux users.
Win ME is the 98 image but the rock is on the smaller branch
Win ME worked fine. I’m pretty sure I applied the XP theme and never noticed a difference.
ME was crashing by the phases of the moon or if you hit the keyboard too fast.
Had ME on my home computer. I could had installed 98 but thought ME was newer than 98 so must be better (wrong). But nothing was lost when crashed, you reboot and could start over in no time.
When they combined CE, ME and NT now that was a solid product.
ME was crap, NT was a workhorse (as long as you didn’t try to install new stuff too often) and CE… was a wird alien no one know exactly what to do with it (almost had the potential but Microsoft blew it as usual). Win2K was a fine rather stable beast.
CE… was a wird alien no one know exactly what to do with it
Windows CE had the portable device market absolutely locked down circa 2003 – not including Blackberry which had all the smartphone market, but CE had everything else. And then MS just said “fuck this market completely” and gave up.
My favorite thing about CE was that Microsoft unironically referred to it as “WinCE”. It just doesn’t get better than that.
I think about that joke all the time, good ol’ CEMENT
Windows 12+…
But Windows
1011 is going to be the last version of Windows!What if Microsoft makes a Windows 12 mobile platform? And since Google is now pushing Android into close source, Microsoft suddenly becomes a big player in around 2028 for mobile phones.
They tried going tablet/mobile-first with 8. I don’t know if they want to try again so soon. But I mean it’s Microsoft.
Hell, maybe they’ll use their experience with WSL to get Android apps working on Windows, solve the problem they had with Windows Phone. Fuck I miss Windows Phone. I never had one, but it looked so cool with the squares. Unlike desktop Windows, where it looked like shit.
Windows Phone was great, and developing apps for it with C# and Visual Studio was easy. I don’t understand why they didn’t at least try to push it just a little bit harder. It would have represented such a tiny fraction of their overall development budget. But they just completely gave up on it.
Hell, even RIM tried harder than they did to keep their shit going.
I also feel that the platform was ahead of its time for ease of app development. It’s not like XCode is hard to use, especially now that we have Swift, but everything I know about Objective C seems awful and while Java is just about equivalent to C# in a lot of things, I don’t remember there being a visual GUI editor in Android Studio, which I’m pretty sure Visual Studio did have. I at least know it had it for desktop targeted software.
everything I know about Objective C seems awful
Yeah, I transitioned from C# to Objective C around 2010 and I agree with your assessment entirely. It’s just horrendous but I did get used to it. The thing I hated the most was the header files, just an absolutely useless fossil left over from its C lineage.
It’s really incredible how Microsoft is trying to drive people away, by:
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Polluting what works.
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Never actually finishing revamps in progress.
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Pushing so much crap even normal users are conditioned to click Microsoft ‘features’ away as spam.
They don’t have to do anything! They could just freeze Windows 11 and gut development beyond security/api/hardware fixes, and rake in business “stuck on win32” dollars for eternity. But no, they are trying their absolute best to push folks to Android/iOS and open a window for stuff like the steam deck.
I bet we aren’t far from OEMs even getting sick of it, as shipping (admittedly, trashy self made) linux distros.
If they ever stop making updates, then Wine will catch up and you won’t actually need Windows anymore.
They could keep on developing updates to DirectX and whatever frameworks/libraries CAD software and the like might need. Keep the UI as is, but as 3rd party developers use the new APIs, Wine needs to adapt continuously.
Yeah. But the barrier of installing linux makes that a kind of non-concern now, they can only change so much without breaking Win32.
It’d be hilarious if Windows shrinks and Wine/Proton become the de facto dev target on linux (which is honestly where things are headed now).
Valve even has a docker container target that includes Wine for future proofed porting
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtime
A newer approach to cross-distribution compatibility is to use Linux namespace (container) technology, to run games in a more predictable environment, even when running on an arbitrary Linux distribution which might be old, new or unusually set up.
The Steam Runtime is also used by the Proton Steam Play compatibility tools, which run Windows games on Linux systems. Current versions of Proton (8.0 or newer) use the Steam Runtime 3 ‘sniper’ container runtime.
You target a version of the runtime when porting, and then ALL software ported to a given runtime will work on any host environment where you can support that runtime version
In fact, you can even run this on Windows if you want to avoid potentially messing up dependencies on the host OS, or avoid compatibility problems
Well that would explain why Steam works so awesomely in recent years. Even before I moved from my uber weird Gentoo setup to TumbleWeed, it got pretty stable at some point. Things just… worked. I mean the client itself largely, which some time ago was ultra buggy for me, whereas running games with Proton worked fine even then.
It’s hilarious. It’s like they’re eagerly waiting for Windows to self immolate, all prepped to stroll into the vacuum it leaves.
They’ve been preparing since 2012:
… upon the release of Windows 8 in 2012, Valve’s CEO Gabe Newell called it “a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space”, and discussed the possibility of promoting the open-source operating system Linux that would maintain “the openness of the platform”.
Gabe was worried about UWP (and Microsoft’s obvious plan for an App Store) back then. Remember, Windows Phone was a thing, and UWP/Windows 8 was shiny and new.
Microsoft failed spectacularly. Hilariously spectacularly.
But you aren’t wrong; Valve don’t want to hitch their business to the solvency of Windows.
Remember, Windows Phone was a thing
Oh yeah, my poor mother was scammed into buying one of those, just about the most worthless piece of technology I’ve ever seen.
But yeah, it’s quite an amazing journey Gabe has been on. He led the Microsoft team that ported Doom to Windows 95 using DirectX, so he kind of put the first nails in the coffin that was OpenGL back in the day. By 2005 it was all DirectX, and then he clawed that Microsoft victory out of their hands starting in 2012 and 12 years later in 2024 I switched to Linux full time playing Cyberpunk 2077 on a Debian based system of all things. Kinda wild.
They aren’t trying to drive people away, they just have learned there’s nothing they can do that will substantially scare people away. So time to pivot to trying to milk that captive userbase for all they are worth. People who are leaving are leaving for mobile class devices and they learned in Windows 8/Windows Phone 7 that they have no idea how to tap into that market segment anyway.
Yes, ‘enthusiasts’ are going Linux but they are a rounding error, hardly worth trying to capture compared to the revenue capture from the rest of the market. Particularly since the enthusiast market tends to be a bigger pain in terms of being picky users who complain and simultaneously unlikely to just say ‘yes I’d like that service you just popped up in the notifications for only $5/month’.
Yes, ‘enthusiasts’ are going Linux but they are a rounding error, hardly worth trying to capture compared to the revenue capture from the rest of the market.
Agreed, it’s a rounding error.
But it won’t be if OEMs get fed up and start shipping it as an option, like Valve is already doing.
Microsoft has already done some questionably ‘OEM hostile’ things like pushing the Surface line, shutting out some OEM bloatware in favor of thier own, pollute performance-sensitive devices like handhelds, and such, and it seems MS isn’t slowing down.
Yup, most people would just use Mint if it came on their laptop and not really think about it.
My god, imagine a world where all software is produced by OEMs.
In Late Stage Capitalism, companies have realized they can maximize their profits by making their product worse. Especially when they have a (near) monopoly.
Unless you are strictly talking next quarter’s immediate profits/stock price, this is just bad for Microsoft. They are sabotaging their already anticompetitive golden goose.
Late Stage Capitalism dictates they’d try to keep their lock-in, but this is more executive dysfunction.
I feel like Frankenstein didn’t know when to quit either. There’s a lot of companies twisting the knife into themselves because shareholders demand infinite growth, but creating systems that work in harmony are in exact opposition to that creedo, so until we eliminate the perverse cancerous idea of infinite growth, we won’t rid ourselves of these obviously bad actors that have themselves gilded with the guise of progress
Even infinite growth has been thrown out. The main objective seems to be ‘growth next few quarters’ like its a desperate act of survival; beyond that is the problem of whoever’s holding the bag then.
There are some companies still thinking long term, but money has definitely shifted to ‘bonkers short term’
I mean…yeah. I said maximize profits, not long term sustainability. Executive bonuses are based on this quarter’s stock price.
The dysfunction comes from incentives to act badly. What makes it “Late Stage” is the complete lack of thought for the future.
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Do y’all never tire of this circle jerk? I mean how many posts per day about hating windows 11 and the inevitable end of microsoft does lemmy need?
People have been hating windows since 3.1. it’s not going to stop today
That’s fine, but it’s always the same meme over and over again. Can we not find new ways to hate windows? Ideally ones that are actually funny?
Feel free to post then. I’d say 616 upvoting people disagree with you.
Wow an anti windows meme on lemmy getting votes? Shocking.
First time i’ve seen it, i must be one of the lucky 10 000.
Do you never tire of commenting on the circle-jerk? You could just… skip it, ya know?
Well I moved from having no account and seeing this stuff pop up all the time to making an account…so no, I haven’t yet tired of it. But it’s only been a day so let’s see.
I’ve been shitting on Windows since the start of this meme. So no.
What was even the alternative at the start of this meme? There was macos being mediocre and bsd…being for bsd people. Linux wasn’t around yet for real.
Realistically not much, that’s part of why I still scorn it like an ex-boyfriend.
Lol fair
Why skip 95 and put a blank in for 9. Windows 95/98 are the reason why there is no windows 9. Far too many lazy programmers make software and drivers that abbreviated to windows9 because there were two versions. Still nice try, I guess.
Because the omission is notable and funny, even if they had their reasons
I’ve noticed a trend that as I understand more, some things become more funny but most things become less funny. I think it’s because counterintuitiveness is funny but when understanding increases, the exposed complexity becomes more intuitive.
Accurate, because not one of them has the hammer facing down.
I use arch BTW. But I liked XP and 7.
