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The animals we create are morally equivalent to our own children and are owed the exact same unconditional love and protection. The experiences of animals are real and matter. Their suffering is identical in nature to your own. It harms us when we take pleasure in cruelty and violence.
The brain you have that can make up such bullshit is a result of eating animals.
So are you going to kill yourself because your very existence is the result of eons of humans eating animals?
As for fallacies, prove that
animals are morally equivalent to your children
That’s a sophist argumentation tactic known as “begging the question”.
That you have the hubris to call others fallacious is, well, I’d say shocking, but it’s par for the course when someone decides they know better than the rest of us and deign to be condescending (which usually happens after Philosophy 101).
Nature is cruel. Get over yourself.
Appeal to nature fallacy; you’re effectively arguing that it’s okay to eat your children because animals do it. It’s nonsense. It’s the sort of lie we tell ourselves when we are not prepared to process something we don’t want to accept.
Stop grooming yourself to be cruel. Stop participating in needless atrocity against intelligent creatures like you.
Nah, i’ll continue eating things.
Now you’re engaging in denialism. Just don’t think about it, right? This is an admission that you find your actions morally unjustifiable on some level.
You are not responding to the things I say. Rather you are responding to your own unsettled feelings, trying to tell them how you want to feel instead of listening to how you do feel. Saying things just to distract yourself from thoughts you are unwilling to process.
Bacon, steaks, ribs, turkey with beef gravy, etc. I’ll never give these up.
If I could afford and had the time to do everything myself I would but I don’t. Meaning, I have to trust that the animals don’t suffer and its a quick death. Anything else isn’t on me, I pay taxes for a reason, one of them is for laws and policies so I’m doing everything I can while working to provide for my family.
Everything dies, when I’m dead do what you want with my body. I’m an organ donor and don’t care once I’m gone.
Nope. I don’t feel my actions are unjustifiable.
Here’s the justification: animals and their byproducts taste delicious. Get off your high horse, no one likes an internet preacher.
This looks like “dropping an egg into boiling water” and not “bringing the water to a boil with the egg in it,” which is an important distinction.
True. Also you can modulate the cooking a bit when you stop it, I empty the hot water and barely cover the eggs with fresh water, letting them cool slowly. For example.
That said, it’s good indications.
True and it doesn’t seem to care about start egg temp and number of eggs vs amount of water. Without that info it’s not that useful.
Does egg size not matter or what?
Good call. And elevation if high up. Possibly type of egg too. Even assuming all chicken eggs, some have different ratios of yolk to white. We might be in the weeds at this point though.
Isn’t that how you’re supposed to do this?
It is. Bring the water to a boil, drop the egg(s).
No. If you throw the eggs in early and have them warm up with the water they’re less likely to crack.
The whole cracking egg thing is way overblown. For the longest time we poked holes into the side with the air bubble, turns out that didn’t actually do anything either (so we stopped that). It could be that faster or slower heating or the shell makes cracking more or less likely, but unless someone actually (scientifically) tests this, who knows?
The hole does work too though? It helps release inside pressure from the heating process. I pretty much never have an egg crack from doing the poke and putting them into the cold water immediately. Meanwhile, not doing either one of those things and they almost always pop.
Just because there’s a logical explanation for why it could work doesn’t mean that’s actually what happens, or that pressure is even the dominant effect causing cracks.
Cracks could also come from bouncing around in the water, which could be solved by holding them up in some way. Or it could be weak points/areas from not badly formed shells from hens living in too tight quarters or being malnurished, where buying eggs from more humane sources would solve it. Or a combination, where the pressure differences in the water from rising steam bubbles cause uneven water-pressure on the egg, but they only crack when they are sufficiently weak to begin with, so just putting less water in might be enough to not make em crack (cause then there’s also less water pressure). I could be the packaging, that some eggs develop cracks during transport and they then make them vulnerable, so more local or differently packaged eggs wouldn’t crack at all. As you can see, it’s not that hard to come up with logical explanations and just doing a few things differently might just solve the problem, and even then the reason it was resolved might still be something completely different than we thought.
For comparison: I haven’t poked a hole into an egg in a long time, and I think I had like one or two crack this year. My eggs come from the farmer one street over, and the hens are freeroaming with plenty of space. They don’t get transported at all. Sometimes, I use a steam thingy to boil them, sometimes in water. Even when I did poke holes in, some eggs used to crack anyway, and I’d guess 1 in 3 months in a pretty good guess as to what the frequency was, that’s why I said “roughly the same numer” in another comment.
The pokey thing definitely works. Maybe not 100% of the time but it does work. Keeping them at room temperature also helps a little.
I stopped doing the “pokey thing” and have had roughly the same number of breaks at before, maybe even less (one less point to fracture from without the hole). Subjective interpretation of the effectiveness is useless, as we humans are subject to so many possible bias that’s it’s impossible to be objective, no matter how hard we try. You can’t even eat enough eggs to have a statistically relevant sample size, let alone one large enough to determine if it does or doesn’t “help a little”.
You “feel” it helps. That’s ok. Also ok to act on. It’s just about boiling your own eggs.
I‘ve never had a single poked egg break. If I don’t they regularly do. That’s not statistically relevant, sure, but in my personal statistic it seems to work.
But how do you work out how long they should be boiling, especially if you’re after somewhere in the soft boil sweet spot?
I measure from the moment the water starts to boil. 4:30 minutes is a good starting point if you want the yellow to be soft but as mentioned, amount of water, pot, your stove, egg size, it all affects the boiling time quite severely. I wouldn’t add or remove more than 15 seconds either if you want to find that sweet spot because it is definitely not like in the picture. 7-8 minutes is pretty much hard boiled for me, but maybe those are some really fat eggs.
Yeah, but then you have to watch your pot for the moment it starts to boil. It’s easier to just boil the water, drop them in and then set a timer.
Never ever had this problem. 🤷♂️
When you put the eggs in are they fridge-cold?
Yes, why? Does that help or shmelp?
When the eggs go from fridge cold to boiling hot I would assume that would increase the chances of them cracking once they got the water.
I’ve never seen an egg where ten minutes of boiling doesn’t fully solidify the yolk.
Actually, it doesn’t even take that long. I mean, I guess ten minutes would do it, too.
I’m not sure that’s a uhhh credible source. But it cracked me up.
If you bring the water to boil before adding the egg it is much easier to remove the shell
Edit: I see my comment doesn’t really relate to your comment. I’m tired
Chef here. Use older eggs for boiling as they are far easier to shell than fresh eggs.
That’s a myth and unrelated. But throwing it into the cold water helps preventing the egg from cracking.
I just poke a tiny hole in the bottom. And keeping them at room temperature also helps a little, if I’m too lazy to poke.
But timing it is surely much easier when the water is boiling. If you just slam it in cold water then you are at the mercy of whatever stove you are using
You start timing once the water starts boiling.
But its not like the not boiling but at 90 degrees Celsius water doesn’t affect the egg
In my own experience boiling hundreds of eggs over the last couple of years I found that if I don’t start with boiling water then the shells are very difficult to get off. If I start with boiling water the shells slide right off.
From what I can tell it depends on the eggs themselves, maybe their freshness, but it is almost always a certain batch of them that have this issue. Doesn’t really matter how you boil them, or if you put them under cold water afterwards. They’d be hard or easy to peal regardless.
Are you in the US? We wash our eggs to remove the coating and then we need to refrigerate them. Could make a difference in how they peel.
Also, is this starting from refrigerated eggs (USA-style) or room temperature (everyone’s else)? I assume this makes less of a difference with your second method.
They don’t seriously have refrigerated eggs, do they
See what I mean? There are a lot of variables not listed here.
Canadian here. I buy them from a fridge so I keep them in my fridge.
Yes, eggs are washed which removes the protective layer that makes them safe without refrigeration. So our eggs look cleaner, but have to be refrigerated.
Edit. Looking into this a little more and it seems to be different ways to combat stuff like salmonella. I guess most of the world vaccinates the chickens, plus the cuticle on the egg prevents bacteria from entering through the shell. In the US we wash the eggs and refrigerate to prevent it.
This is correct, and whenever the topic comes up, there’s always a bunch of misinformation. Like you said, it’s two means to the same end. Early in the washing strategy, like a hundred years ago, some washed eggs from Australia were imported to England, and a bunch of people got sick from them, so Europe decide to go the other route. The US got the washing thing down and decided to keep with it. Today, both approaches work pretty well. Australia, Japan, and some Scandinavian countries also use washing. Worth noting that washing requires an infrastructure of shipping things around refrigerated.
This guide seems to be a bit off. I prefer 11-min-eggs, for the reason that there is not any liquid yolk present, if boiled that long. In this picture, it would resemble either the 13-min or the 15-min-egg. My egg-boiling altitude is 7 m above sea level for an average sized chicken egg, adding the egg to already boiling water.
Title does say larger size egg.
I usually do 6 and this meme give me anxiety gang rise up.
I feel like trypophobia may be part of the effect?
7 for the best results 😋
i like 5-6 best :3
I think 5 would be the minimum I’d be willing to go to. The others just look too raw to me.
I love a good 15 if I’m out and about.
I do like to offer people an egg in this trying time.
11-12, please. ✋
https://www.seriouseats.com/the-secrets-to-peeling-hard-boiled-eggs
It’s complicated
Yes, but for softer ones just open the top and dip or eat with spoon, as seen here https://www.thekitchn.com/how-to-open-a-soft-boiled-egg-167211
I wonder how much altitude matters when boiling eggs
I can’t speak to specific numbers but it absolutely does. The higher the altitude, the lower the boiling point. The lower boiling point the lower the temperature you’re cooking with and you have to cook it for longer
20 minute gang rise up.
How ar big? Post is unclear. Need banana for scale.
I just use my instant pot, and I don’t have to worry about thinking about it after I hit start. They also peel perfectly every time.
But if you’re using water to cook hard boiled eggs, then just get one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/Lasubst-Timer-Boiling-Boiled-Changes/dp/B0BL28Q762/
This is about cooking eggs at various donenness levels, not just making hard boiled eggs. You would still need to pay attention to the time in an Instant Pot for that.
Right. I’m using the term “hard-boiled” synonymously with just “boiled egg”
It doesn’t work that way, though. And this doesn’t even refer to “a boiled egg”, it refers to boiling eggs.
Barring pedantry, I don’t understand the difference you’re inferring
The wording you have used so far suggests to me that, every time you boil eggs, you hard boil them. Not everybody does that. Some people soft or medium boil their eggs and variations in between.
So boiling eggs is not the same as hard boiling eggs.
That’s why I clarified.
You said you didn’t understand, so I explained. I didn’t realize you were being disingenuous.
These gotta be bigger eggs.
Fair point, I changed the title
This isn’t a very good guide, since it doesn’t even take egg sizes into account. As a fan of egg, these timings are completely wrong for Large Lion Grade A eggs.
Lions don’t lay eggs.
That blimmin’ witch doctor lied to me again!!!
You’d think I’d learn my lesson after those magic beans…
Also anyone living above sea level would have severely undercooked eggs. I live almost a mile up and pasta takes two minutes longer to cook so i assume eggs do too.
Pretty sure most people are above sea level. But I’m no sea doctor.
Most of humanity lives on the coastlines. So technically yes. In any functional manner, no.
Yes! Very good point. I used to use an app for my location, which would adjust the timing based on my elevation from sea level - even though it’s not much where I am, the adjustments certainly made a difference!
I would link it but it is now riddled with ads, and has a generic name of ‘egg timer’ ._.
I boil my eggs for 11min and they look like the 13min egg in picture. This looks pretty sus
When I book an egg for 9-10 minutes it looks like the 15 minute egg there
Hmm fair point, I guess it depends on the egg size
Could also be depending altitude / atmospheric pressure
It may be considering timer starting with the egg in cool water and boiling from there.
That’s exactly what I do. Cold water with eggs in
