Praying to the dark lord Erebus no doubt
Quick reminder: libs spent decades telling us to respect others’ religious beliefs or else said stupid shit like “not ALL christians!!”
This is what you get for removing the guardrails.
Praying is just talking to your imaginary friend, and having it tell back to you what you want to hear.
These elected representatives are no more mentally developed than elementary school children. Must be from a state full of lead pipes.
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Looks more like a circle jerk to me.
Same thing
Why is that infuriating? I’m not religious, but why would this not be allowed?
I think it’s because these are people with the power to do more than thoughts and prayers. But they just stick with that while also taking health care off veterans and giving tax breaks to the rich.
That’s the power. They’re doing more.
How would most people react if that was a group of Muslims? Or if the Satanic Church tried to do a small prayer there?
Most would be fine with it. It’s done often and both parties shit on someone last month for taking issue with it.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/5337130-illinois-republican-mary-miller-sikh-muslim-prayer/amp/
The reactions to the Satanic Temple using pro-religion laws, and social media posts about public displays of established religions like Muslim prayers, show that most Americans do not approve displays of any religion except their own. With that in mind, the reasonable compromise is that there shouldn’t be religious displays inside of state institutions.
So instead of allowing members to pray in the legislature, you want them to go outside? That’s not inclusive of religions either. Not to mention they can call for a vote soon as all those whom are required by their religion to pray were mandated to leave to pray. I’m an atheist, but we need to let religion die on its own. Forcing it out will cause more problems than solutions. 30 years from now it will likely be rare to see it happen. But I’ll still stand by it being their right to practice on their own
I wouldn’t care. If they’re religious they’ll be following the morals and views of their religion. A little praying won’t change or harm anyone. No different to another group having a chat
We knew you were concern trolling. Thanks for confirming though.
We now know you will just shoot down any alternative opinion and pretend it is trolling. Thanks for confirming.
Separation of church and state is supposed to be a thing. Lawmakers praying inside the chamber isn’t separate at all.
They are jackass.
But this is as educated as screaming first amendment when a mod removes a post. Wow.
That’s not what that means. Separation of church and state simply means that the law doesn’t favor one religion over another. What you’re thinking of is the French formulation, known as laicite, which—you guessed it—is a French thing. It’s also based on some pretty problematic ideas that lead and have led to some pretty problematic results, so yeah.
For a non-French example, he’s the Australian constitution on the topic:
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
Nothing at all about lawmakers publicly adhering to a religion.
If André Carson, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Lateefah Simon all prayed together in the House at one of the 5 daily prayers, during a vote, would the USA shrug?
Nope, it’d be another 911 to the R tards and they’d scream about it like bitchy toddlers from every podium they could find
Both Republicans and Democrats said Miller was rediculous for complaining about prayers
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/5337130-illinois-republican-mary-miller-sikh-muslim-prayer/amp/
Actually not surprising at all
They’re praying to pass a bill that kicks 15 million off health care and starves children so a handful of billionaires pay less tax.
That’s what Jesus would do.So holy.
These people should be more holey
“people”
But you and I know their prayers won’t change anything so what’s the issue?
They likely believe they’re doing all this in God’s name even though it is entirely against the actual teachings of Jesus.
He said also to the man who had invited him, “When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”
Luke 14:12-14
To Satan, I presume.
No, Satan dared to defy his father and was thrown out of the house.
None of these fucks would dare defy their daddy Trump.
Satan would never
Satan has a stronger sense of morals than these things that pretend to be people. They’ve really motivated me to join the satanic church.
I think there’s a biscuit that they’re all looking at
Do you win or lose if you get to eat the biscuit, or is it just a matter of perspective?
Alright boys, whoever takes away the most rights gets the last one!
If these people have their way, the USA will become a religious autocracy that respects human rights on a level comparable to that in Iran.
But only for men. Women will be treated like in Afghanistan.
Yeah so, fun fact, they got their way.
GOP bukkake.
Not a single Christian among them. What exactly are they praying for, did anyone ask?
Not a single Christian among them.
You don’t get to decide this, regardless of how embarrassed you may be.
Oh they may call themselves Christians, but none of them uphold the ideals or beliefs of Christians. They are hypocrites. The same day they do this they take away healthcare from millions, take food out of children’s hands, and ramp up more violence to those already hurting.
I don’t care what their label is they put on the outside, none of these are Christian. They openly spit on the morals that Jesus laid down.
The bible begs to differ. I’m sure your source is better though on what makes a Christian.
The Bible tells you that you get to decide who is a Christian or not?
I’m afraid not, sir/madam. In fact, I believe it says precisely the opposite.
Since you’re not discussing in good faith,I won’t bother responding again. You know what I meant but anyway, they’re idol worshippers and infidels.
Since you’re not discussing in good faith
OK, what? Holy shit what a cop out…
I know exactly what you meant, and I’m tired of seeing this “no true Christian” shit everywhere. You don’t get to disown these people.
If your behaviour is any indication then being a Christian means talking down to people and refusing to discuss or consider ideas other than your own.
Sounds about right.
Jesus didn’t stutter when he talked about strangers, the poor,those in need, the sick, and the wealthy. I suggest you read the bible critically. Any member of congress who backs Trump and claims to be Christian will burn in their version of hell fire. Much like the so called muslims leading the Gulf countries.
We don’t know what jesus said at all tbh.
Optics, they are praying for optics.
It’s funny how fast Murica has fallen into authoritarianism, I’m genuinely having a hard time believing that such a large portion of the population can be so stupid.
It’s been the calculated plan for far longer than I can remember.
Conservative politics relies on stupid uneducated voters incapable of critical thinking.
The voters that, with a lack of actual knowledge of their own through either experience, formal education or even just good old fashioned intellectual curiosity about the world around them, will happily cede their opinion to the first authority figure who tells them what they are already presdisposed to believe and confirm their biases.
It’s the entire reason there has been a coordinated attack on the liberal arts and college education under the guise of “financial constraints” and the push in the last few decades towards trade schools.
Conservative politics requires stupid who are content to learn how to be a tradesman, without any of that inconventient history or critical thinking getting in the way.
I get that’s been the game plan, and to be honest it’s worked perfectly, but poor people actually gloating about “owning the libs” while shooting themselves in the foot, the face and all else beggars belief!
The truest line ever uttered in film…
“A person can be smart. But people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals, and you know it.” – Kay from MiB
We’ve all been hardwired with groupthink. We had to be. When a member of your tribe comes running by in a panic, you don’t have time to stop and think what the hell is he running from?, you just start running along with him. It’s the difference between living to hunt another day or getting killed by a bigger predator than you are.
The more people that are running. The more important it is (to our brain) to just start legging it. No one wants to be the straggler at the back that gets picked off. For that reason, group-think and herd-mentality skews incredibly towards the simplistic. In terms of evolution, there’s no time to worry about the why…you just trust that if everyone else is running, you probably should be too. In terms of modern day that is the susceptibility of uneducated people to dogma, polemics and confirmation bias.
A single person…and individual that has critical thinking skills and the ability to look at the wider context, can overcome that instint. They can stop and say “hmmm…maybe I should look and see if this really is something that is going to harm me.” They can reason themselves out of group-think.
But without that context. Without that critical thinking, you have almost no choice but to rely on the fact that if someone is telling you to run, they must know more than you…so get it in gear.
Whether that person is telling you to run from a predator, or to hate immigrants, it’s all due to the same inherent mentality in humans.
Spot on regarding the person vs group. Being a fan of history I’m amazed at how far we’ve come technologically, but how our base instincts haven’t changed. Even in the face of all the evidence about our behaviour historically, we repeat our mistakes time and again.
It’s the good-ol’ lizard brain and it isn’t going away.
It’s the part of the brain that controls emotions, moods, fear, fight-or-flight, etc… The Limbic Cortex
The sole purpose of critical thinking skills and knowledge of things like history, civics, etc… (whether that comes from education, experience or just good old fashioned intellectual curiosity) is to give the rest of our brain the context necessary to override that lizard brain. (In my opinion).
Too many people just don’t care enough about the world around them to bother with that and are content to just let their lizard brain run things. It’s these people that are susceptible to group-think, and it’s these people (ironically) who think that they are ones who are thinking for themselves when in reality it’s quite the opposite.
Think of how stupid the average person is
Half of em are dumber than that
RIP St George
We need him now more than ever. He’d happily carry our disdain.
Jesus actually said something about that, it turns out. Not that it matters to these knuckleheads.
The concept of God was invented because it’s an unbearable thought to think that men like these will get away scot free with what they’re doing
The concept of God was invented by men like these to enable exactly what they’re doing :)
It’s the ultimate authoritarian power fantasy, and the human mouthpieces for that ultimate authority tend to be very well taken care of.
They shouldn’t cluster so closely together, it’s a risk. Not that I’m suggesting anything.
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Matthew 6:5-6
Yeah I don’t think they’ve read that bit.
When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.
Isaiah 1:15
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
Ezekial 23:20
(side note, while looking up this verse it brought me to biblegateway.com where it shows dozens of translations basically in a list, and here is what the MSG (The Message) version translated that one single sentence into:
“Her sister Oholibah saw all this, but she became even worse than her sister in lust and whoring, if you can believe it. She also went crazy with lust for Assyrians: ambassadors and governors, military men smartly dressed and mounted on fine horses—the Assyrian elite. And I saw that she also had become incredibly filthy. Both women followed the same path. But Oholibah surpassed her sister. When she saw figures of Babylonians carved in relief on the walls and painted red, fancy belts around their waists, elaborate turbans on their heads, all of them looking important—famous Babylonians!—she went wild with lust and sent invitations to them in Babylon. The Babylonians came on the run, fornicated with her, made her dirty inside and out. When they had thoroughly debased her, she lost interest in them. Then she went public with her fornication. She exhibited her sex to the world. “I turned my back on her just as I had on her sister. But that didn’t slow her down. She went at her whoring harder than ever. She remembered when she was young, just starting out as a whore in Egypt. That whetted her appetite for more virile, vulgar, and violent lovers—stallions obsessive in their lust. She longed for the sexual prowess of her youth back in Egypt, where her firm young breasts were caressed and fondled.
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Ezekiel 23%3A20
How fucking creepy is that? First of all, the entire concept of this “translation” just seems like outright heresy, but what the fuck even is this?? Did the dude just read about massive dongs and it got him all horny so he wrote some Bible fanfiction in the middle of his “translation”?
Absolutely wild.
Metaphorically, the whore in that passage is Israel. You could switch out the Assyrians and Babylonians for the various nation states that arm Israel today…
Isn’t it so awesome that you can just make anything mean anything?
That translation is actually very accurate, but what you posted is 23:11-21, not just 23:20.
The Message is a “paraphrase” translation (“sense-for-sense”), which means it translates the concepts rather than just words (literal translation). Most Bible translations are literal translations, which is problematic because numerous connotative errors arise. Idioms, colloquialisms, and context are all lost in those translations. Today, the loss of context is often intentional, as restoring the context dramatically changes the meaning and puts it at odds with modern politically corrupted dogmas. To avoid those errors, The Message often translates groups of scriptures together instead of separately to achieve a more connotatively accurate english result.
If you were to read the same chunk of scriptures in another translation, you’d find the same content. Where The Message differs is that it attempts to translate idioms into modern (as of 20 years ago) versions, which often has hilariously anachronistic “how do you do, fellow kids” results.
That said, it’s one of the more trustworthy translations available, though plenty of grains of salt are still required.
Did you click the link? Every other translation is a single sentence. This is one single verse translated in The Message according to Bible Gateway. Why would they do that?
That said, it’s one of the more trustworthy translations available, though plenty of grains of salt are still required.
According to whom?
I’ll just leave these here. They’re the exact website you mentioned using.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+23&version=MSG
Why would I lie about something like that?
You conflated the way the website displays content (literal versus paraphrase translations) with the translations themselves (you literally painted the paraphrase translation as “fan fiction”). I clearly explained how the different translations work, that the content itself is the same for all available translations, and why the translations are likely to be displayed differently. Additionally, the website is freely accessible and confirming these things takes seconds.
But you appear to have ignored everything I said and then doubled down on your own bizarre take. And again, this is all easily verifiable in seconds on the website you, yourself, mentioned.
It doesn’t really matter whether you are trying to be deceptive on purpose or whether you are simply clueless and obstinate. Doubling down on a bad take after getting something so wrong makes for some potent fremdschämen.
Metal as fuck
I hate, I despise your feasts, and I can’t stand your solemn assemblies. Take away from me the noise of your songs! I will not listen to the music of your harps. But let justice roll on like rivers, and righteousness like a mighty stream.
Amos 5:21;23-24
But let justice roll on like rivers, and righteousness like a mighty stream.
Just to be clear, the “justice” being referred to here is literal genocide performed by the Israelites.
Or they’re playing Soggy Biscuit. Either way, it’s about as effective as a form of government.
I wonder if there is anyone in the group that is actually praying or they are all just pretending for the others
Even if any of them believe they are praying, their “faith” is a sham in support of their real religion: power. To Republicans, “politics” is the religion founded on increasing personal power through performative speech and conduct.
They are hollow, nihilistic simulacrums of human-like virtue, expressing themselves only to drain the actual human value and agency from the public.
It’s virtue signalling.
They are absolutely praying… Lots of embarrassed Christians in this thread desperate to distance themselves from their own religion.
