And of course they had to shoehorn some AI bullshit in it
(why I installed this driver: because i can remap the two extra buttons as copy/paste)
The driver consumes a few KB. The bullshit software that you don’t need to install is what’s consuming the GB.
It doesn’t contribute at all to the conversation but BOOOOOOO to them for that nonsense.
That “logi” rebrand really shows how shit they’ve gotten.
Logitech Gaming Software was the last good thing they made.
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The actual driver for an HID USB device, even on WIndows, is still just a few KB.
Worse, the default driver for HID devices like mice, keyboards, joysticks, gamepads and so on is part of Windows since Windows 7 and all you had to do was give it an INF file that really just associated USB hardware devices that sent the PC a specific identifier (made up of a VID and a PID value) on USB protocol initialization, with that built-in driver - and that file is maybe 100 bytes. Even better, that INF file is not even needed anymore since Windows 10.
A driver for a mouse (pretty much the simplest Human Interface Device there is) that in addition to the normal mouse thing also supports setting the RGB color of some lights is stupidly simple because the needed functionality is already in the protocol.
Remember, modern digital electronics still uses really tiny processors sometimes with less than 32KB flash memory (and way less than that in RAM) only they’re microcontrollers rather than microprocessors now, hence the protocols are designed so that they can be handled by processing hardware with little memory (after all, many USB Hosts aren’t PCs but instead are things like USB HUDs which have microcontrollers not microprocessors)
I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that almost the entirety of that 1GB is bloatware.
Maybe a Docker or two, perhaps a VM in the cloud. Is that still hip with the kids?
All the cool kids are running kubernetes
what the fuck?? why would a mouse need ai? ancient computer user here who is very confused lol
Maybe it can AFK my character in games for me
The AI plays all video games for you, leaving you more time to work and be productive.
It’ll bring down your kd bro be careful.
To better know everything you do and train it on AI.i mean, To improve Productivity and convenience.You can configure you mouse to press a button and it brings up a prompt where you can type an AI query in there.
To better track you. I mean, “enhancing your user experience.”
Driver for you mouse? What are you on? MSDOS?
You need it to remap some of the buttons on the side. I have the same garbage just for this purpose.
The driver for your mouse occupies a few kilobytes. The shitty app and AI garbage bloatware occupies the rest.
Space Sniffer gang represent!
We live in the age of bloated software.
The Internet is so bloated because every page is bursting with telemetry and spa framework bullshit that over engineers a fucking music recital site.
Anyone have other brand suggestions?
I’ve been using a Redragon M690 Pro as my home daily driver, and I retired my Razer Basilisk x Hyperspeed to my office, although the latter started having issues with middle clicking. The 690 is nice so far though. I don’t play any twitch shooters, more of a slow burn style, so ymmv.
I also like my Redragon mouse, a “Griffin M602A-RGB”. I picked it entirely because (a) the shape fits my hand well, with well-sculpted indentations for my thumb, ring, and pinky fingers, and (b) it’s cheap, but not so cheap it isn’t still decent.
Same actually. I got some nice RGB customization, it was comfy, had a right handed thumb rest, and the price was right. Only thing it didn’t have like the Basilisk was BT functionality, which in my use case wasn’t a deal breaker. Software wasn’t bloated either.
No, unfortunately. Logitech mice are the best performing in quality, battery life, and longevity at their price range. I’ve tried many other mice in the budget range, and they all fail quickly, eat batteries, or perform poorly in comparison.
I bought a couple Logitech mice a few years ago and I gotta say, they weren’t the best. The material they are made out of melts slowly over time. I use these mice and get sticky shit on my fingers. It’s not food or anything I’m doing. I’ve scrubbed them with rubbing alcohol and no matter what a little bit of sticky stuff is always coming off. So the finish on them isn’t great, at best. Never had other mice do this.
I had one that had rubberized sides that slowly did that over the years. After a decade? of daily use it finally started giving up. Most non-logi non-OEM mice I’ve used lasted months at best.
You described exactly my issue but it took under 5 years. Maybe 3? I’ve used $10 much much longer with only occasional hiccups like resolution issues on certain mousepads
I’ve been using super cheap 10 € Logitech mice since the dawn of time and I’ve never experienced that. What are you doing with your mouse?
It is either a type of rubberized material degrading or one piece of plastic in the group. Being a home-labber/gamer I have gone through a couple hundred mice easily. In addition to Logitech, I’ve had lots of stock MS/Dell/HP and even Sun mice. A few can get this condition with the materials. Often it will be a rubberized component, but sometimes it is a plastic part. Like the mouse wheel is a more common part that gets sticky, but the rest of the mouse is okay. Nothing happened other than it sat around for a long time. It could be that the last user had grubby fingers stained orange from cheetos whilst using that mouse and that lent somehow to the degradation. Hard to say. Plastic does degrade for sure and maybe our grubby mitts help?
I knew someone would blame me. Yeah the cheap ones are normal plastic and would never disintegrate. Kind of, again, like the other 28 mice I’ve used in my life. The expensive Logitech mice I bought are a rubberized plastic meant for comfort but they aren’t durable. Literally did nothing wrong or different but that sticky shit is the pits, so I won’t be buying anymore $180 mice. I hadn’t before these either.
My recommendation is the G305. Yes, a gaming mouse. But they’re both cheap and have an insanely good polling rate, so the mouse is smooooooth. Also, no rubberized nonsense to degrade.
i wonder if a open source driver alternative exists.
Piper is less than 2MB, and allows reconfiguring Logitech mouse buttons. It’s available in Debian and Ubuntu package managers.
Screenshot:
I had to use Piper to get exotic features like having mouse 6, 7, 8 buttons function as mouse 6, 7, 8, rather than the default of alt-tab and ctrl-v.
and if you install it via fatpak its almost 1GB
I think he meant as in “if this is the first ever GTK application you install via flatpak”. The “Installed Size” on Flathub only indicates the amount of storage the program itself will take up and doesn’t take into account the libraries it will install alongside it (installing piper via flatpak takes up 400MB on my device).
I still think it is really negligible because people usually don’t install applications that use such a variety of different graphical frameworks, and also because modern PC disk capacities are so absurdly big compared to past ones. I only have a 256GB drive and have never faced any issues regarding how much storage flatpak apps use.
I have flatpaks installed but not org.gnome.* note not first gtk app the first that require gnome runtimes. Then once you have a bunch of apps you’ll end up with different versions needing different runtimes which will need constant updates of the same 1G. Given modern connectivity and storage it isn’t that burdensome in truth but neither is the Windows example.
It’s just humorous to crow over one and ignore the other.
Does it still allow macros? I have a couple of 502s and my older one has fallen victim to the common problem of rhe switch getting bouncey so one click becomes multiple. Supposedly macros can fix this.
If your mouse drivers allow setting the debounce timer, you can set it higher so that your system doesn’t allow the bouncing to register.
This is a physical defect. Macros make one key press effect one or more action button or key press. For instance if a common operation involves pressing a b and c in sequence you can make one button on your mouse actuate that sequence.
You can’t bind a macro to left click because then you can’t left click anymore. Even if you bound double clicking to single click (if this is even possible) it would mean every time it single click you would effect nothing which is equally if not more broken.
You need to either take your mouse apart and fix it or throw it in the trash.
Yes, it is a physical defect but it is common enough that people have been able to work around it with macros.
It’s been a while since I tried to look into this or fix it, but a quick search shows what I think was a possible solution. (Might not be, I’m just trying to be explanatory of what I mean by a macro fixing a double click problem.) https://techenclave.com/t/mouse-double-click-issue-solution-by-coding/269878
Its broken fix or toss this solution isn’t applicable directly. Also seems like it would be hard to intentionally double click and add latency to single clicks
I’m never buying another Logitech device again because that problem that happened with my G7 back in the 00s still happened with my G900 in the 20s.
With my G7, I’d open it up when it started happening, and open up the switch to re-bend the metal piece to give it some spring back. Kept doing this until one day the plastic button that presses down on that metal part fell on carpet and was gone forever.
With my G900, I said fuck it and just bought some better mouse button switches and replaced the left mouse button. Was actually kinda glad I needed to because the battery had become a danger pillow so I replaced that, too.
But with the button issue existing for so long and being fixed by a part that cost a trivial amount compared to what I paid in the first place, you can’t convince me that Logitech isn’t deliberately using switches that fail quickly to drive up demand for mice.
I never thought to look for something like this, but it looks fantastic so i’m going to try it. Thanks!
This is not a driver. The README itself says:
Piper is merely a graphical frontend to the ratbagd DBus daemon
ratbagd itself, BTW, is also not a driver.
The unofficial open source license is called logiops, and according to the Debian site most of its builds are also under 2MB (and the two builds that aren’t are only slightly bigger)
There is also RatSlap, which I can’t find information on how big it is (and I’m not going to bother installing it just to find out)
would be cool if it also worked on Windows and Macos
My first mouse driver was smaller than the picture you attached to this post
I have several Logitech peripherals. Why in the fuck does it need AI?!?!
Because CEOs.
To communicate with the 5th version of software they have somehow released between the time the product was created and you bought it.
I mean, this was their idea last year…
I feel like “AI Mouse” is right up their alley.
Narrator: It wasn’t a driver.
Don’t look up how much space Nvidia drivers take then.
Nvidia drivers at least do something that are fairly complex and heavy, and they’re necessary. Whereas this thing is just some comically overdeveloped and extremely annoying piece of bloatware from Logitech to remap a bunch of buttons.
Baaack in my day we got a driver for our mouse on a single DD floppy…
It wasn’t too long ago that a USB mouse would store the divers on the mouse.
You’re thinking of the Titan submersible accident, I think. But they ended up stored on a Logitech controller, not a mouse.
That was actually never the case. The default USB mouse driver comes with the OS. And also today any modern mouse will work just fine with the default USB mouse driver in the OS.
What this abomination is is a kind of extended driver that allows the user to e.g. remap buttons on the mouse or control RGB lights. You know, anything but the actual basic functionality of the mouse.
