Title. Interested to see the response from different religions

Edit: Stating your religion would be appreciated. Lack of religion counts for the purpose of this question. Also let’s not downvote people for differing religions, all voices are welcome here. If no; why?

  • dingus@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Anti-religioud atheist here.

    You know what…years ago I would have said “no”. Imo, often fundamentalist religious people have views that actively harm society through systemic actions. So it’s not something I am able to generally sit well with.

    However, years back I met someone irl (not online) with absolutely polar opposite political and religious views as me. I am an atheist who actually opposes the concept of religion in general and I am very liberal. This person I know is very Catholic and conservative. They are a hardcore Trumper and I have always seen him as a dangerous threat to the US.

    Yet…

    Over the years, this person has legitimately become my absolute best friend. They are the kindest, funniest, most wonderful person I know. I absolutely love spending time with them. We just don’t debate our polar opposite viewpoints. We still share and talk about deep, personal things…but we don’t instigate political debates or anything like that. I take their views as someone who has been brainwashed by society, and I’m sure they feel the same about me. But it means that I don’t see them as evil for their views and am able to easily look past that.

    I don’t know what the fuck I would do in life if I ever lost them. Sometimes they are the reason why I look forward to the rest of my day.

    We are not romantically involved or anything. They have a partner and a family, and I wouldn’t be interested with doing that with this person anyway.

    But the point is, it taught me that I can have a very deep, personal connection with someone with polar opposite views. Ideally, I would like for a partner to share my views. But life has shown me that it is possible to be opposite like that and still really deeply care for and enjoy someone.

    • Flickerby@lemm.eeOP
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      11 hours ago

      How do you reconcile their views on deportation, human trafficking, LGBT stuff, etc etc etc etc etc with you finding them to be a “wonderful” person? Personally anyone who believes in what Trump is doing is by definition a monster and any niceties they may show other people is either psychopathy or because you happen to be the right color. It’s like the standard bad date test; if they’re a shitheel to their server, they’ll eventually be a shitheel to you too.

  • FRYD@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    I’m atheist, but raised as a pretty diligent episcopal. I wouldn’t have any issue dating someone who is religious. I’ve dated a few women with different religious/spiritual views and it was never an issue. I’ve always been fascinated by religions and their histories despite never really believing in one myself.

    I’d honestly be open to the idea of “converting” for someone I love, so long as the culture of their religion is compatible with my existing moral standards. I haven’t been to the point where I’d have to do that, but I don’t see why not to except that I’m not sure if it’s right to simply perform the practices with no belief in the core of it.

  • JackbyDev@programming.dev
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    2 days ago

    I was raised Christian and am now atheist. I would have a very difficult time being romantic with anyone who calls themself Christian. I have come to despise all levels of it. I don’t believe in the existence of the super natural. I don’t believe in the Christian creation myth. I don’t believe in the resurrection or any miracles of Jesus. I believe most churches are cults that we give a free pass to be cults because it’s more socially acceptable. I believe religion did great harm to me growing up and I believe it does great harm to many other young people. I could go on, but that’s the gist. If someone was somehow Christian and agreed with me on all of those points there might be a chance but I’d still view it as strange that they didn’t see the whole thing as a scam and renounce their faith.

    People from other religions I may have similar problems with because even though religions are different their effects are often similar. Even a staunchly pro LGBT church/religion I would have difficulty meshing with because my problems go so much deeper than that.

    An exception would be people who are “spiritual” but not “religious”. While I myself am quite skeptical, I am still open to the idea that there’s more. And even if there’s not, sometimes it’s fun and/or beneficial to pretend that there is. So long as they themselves are similarly open to the ideas that they could be wrong and that others could be right I think I could get along quite well with people like this. The truth is I still have moments I would call religious experiences, but I don’t believe they’re revelations of truth. They’re still interesting and fun to talk about. Like dreams.

  • Omega@discuss.online
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    2 days ago

    Religious people are generally dogmatic, but then there are people who think they’re religious but don’t actually believe most of the concepts they grew under, besides one or two traditions that essentially just become culture

  • OrionCx@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    If they were personally religious (spiritual) rather than socially/dogmatically religious, then it could work out. As an atheist, I’m not against spiritual beliefs, but their core values must align with mine - that is the important bit here. Obviously, communication about these things would determine where we align, and help determine if we could sustain a relationship, but it’s certainly a possibility.

    Note: I include a love of nature, humanism, etc. under the ‘spiritual’ label, as well as traditionally religiously spiritual.

    • Don Piano@feddit.org
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      2 days ago

      Note: I include a love of nature, humanism, etc. under the ‘spiritual’ label, as well as traditionally religiously spiritual.

      Huh. Why?

      • OrionCx@lemmy.world
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        2 days ago

        People dive different things “spiritual”, whether it’s mystical or natural in origin. And “spiritual” can mean different things to different people. So, my label is inclusive.

        • Don Piano@feddit.org
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          1 day ago

          Ah. It’s somewhat odd for me, as my love for and of nature, as well as (and in the same vein) my ideas about human potential and dignity come from a specifically un- if not anti-spiritual place.

          Something like: The material world is not only beautiful (in a fundamental way, I don’t merely mean pretty like a forest on a hill, but also beautiful like all the interconnected systems that make it a forest), but also all there is, and that is part of the reason why caring about feeling beings is important.

          But yeah, we always gotta make some judgement calls on who and what we exclude and include with the terms we use.

    • Pyr@lemmy.ca
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      2 days ago

      Irreligious agnostic as well.

      I think I would have difficulty depending on how devoted they are. Like would I need to pretend to pray beside them at every meal? Or do they just keep most of that to themselves?

      Also, I do find the little rituals and habits that religious people go through a bit silly so I feel like I would not be able to just silently sit by and watch it for years and years.

      • flagrante_delicto@lemm.ee
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        2 days ago

        Honestly it’s a hard question to answer by text. Depends if they expect me to make room for them to practice their faith or expect me to to eventually follow in their spiritual path. Because these 2 are very different. I find the rituals offputting too even though I understand the logic behind them, but that could be because of internalised prejudice from my part. Also assuming this is a serious relationship would this person assume that in case you decide to have kids they will educated/indocrinated since an early age? That would be an absolute no for me. I’m certainly up for presenting them with the option when they come to an appropriate age but not raising them up to the idea that it is the only certainty in life. It’s complicated for sure and there a number of things to take into account but that doesn’t necessarily mean you should avoid being with someone you cherish because they find joy in a way of spirituality I/you may find archaic.

  • Hanrahan@slrpnk.net
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    2 days ago

    I’m an aethiset, she was christian. I moved on fairly quickly, it’s just looppy shit i would have started to laugh…

    I assumed she’d come to her senses, she assumed I could be indoctrinated.

  • RBWells@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    It depends. Probably, as long as they didn’t think I was going to hell, or believe something I found awful, or were evangelistic, needing me to believe what they did.

    My mom’s family was Methodist, my dad’s family was Catholic, my mom stayed Methodist, Dad became just open-minded general Theist but not specifically Christian, I am not religious but not capital A Atheist.

  • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    I’m a Satanist. I would be fine dating an atheist, depending on their morals and ethics. I would probably be okay dating someone that was agnostic, since technically most atheists are agnostics. I could date most reform Jews, since for most of them it’s a cultural religion, rather than a literal one.

    I would not be able to date anyone that sincerely believed in a supernatural deity, because I would not be able to respect them, or trust any of their conclusions.

  • qyron@sopuli.xyz
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    3 days ago

    I’m laic.

    What beliefs a person holds to themselves is indiferent to me. And it should not matter to anyone. Relationships are a negotiated endeavour, from both parts, where everyone gives a little to reach a mutual understanding.

    Unless a person subscribes views capable of leading to individual, personal and socially harmful and regressive thought and action, it does not matter.

    Removing the religious view from your question: would you date a vegan, not being one? Would you date a non vegan, being yourself one?

    Zealotry goes both ways. Both the believer and the non believer can entrench themselves in their views so deeply they become fanatics.