Does it even make a difference? Would much appreciate some suggestions.
Does it really matter where you go? It’s all federated together anyway, that’s the whole point, isn’t it?
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It’s not all federated together, Lemm.ee is more broadly federated than Lemmy.world, as an example. Lemm.ee can see Hexbear and Lemmygrad, you cannot, as a quick example. Federation and defederation policy dramatically impacts the experience.
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Many instances are specialized, like Lemmygrad with Marxism-Leninism, slrpnk.net with Solarpunk, mander.xyz with science, Hexbear as a left-unity instance, etc. Browsing locally is a fun experience for those into the instance subject.
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Some instances have only upvotes and no downvotes, some don’t show vote totals period, or have other front-facing features. Some offer emojis, like Hexbear.net.
And more! All good reasons to put some thought in.
Which would you say is the most neutral/ open to anything? Or I guess most federated?
Lemmy.zip is a common broadly federated instance I think, but really, I’d suggest looking into instances aligned most with the type of content you like to see.
Wow, thank you! I didn’t know it was like that. I also didn’t know that what I was reading as nonsense slarpnik is “solaspunk” and I still have no idea what that is but I’ll google it. Never heard of Mander either, want to check out whether that’s useful to me. Thanks!
No problem! Solarpunk is an aesthetic-based social movement surrounding solar energy and climate activism, in a short descriptor. You can see the instance to see what I mean.
Here’s a tool to find instances. I recommend sorting by most active, and checking whichever looks interesting to you.
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Might i recommend lemmynsfw.com?
Lemmygrad
Sh.itjust.works and lemmy.zip, not sure if shitjustworks is general purpose actually
But yeah I signed up for multiple before so id have aged accounts in case my main one went away
https://lemmy.zip/ is the closest imo.
I see a few people recommending lemmygrad, lemmy.ml and hexbear, I don’t really think you’d enjoy those servers too much unless you are interested in leftism/communism.
Anything a bit more…centrist, so to speak?
lemmy.zip is good.
Lemmy.zip was the centrist rec.
Is it possible to migrate my lemm.ee profile over there, or do I ride this one out until bye bye and then just make a new one?
You can export things like your favorites, but you can’t move profiles.
also, people will assume you’re a tankie just because your name ends with .ml 😞
Only CIA.World users sauy that stuff.
cia.world gave me a giggle
problem being?
I catch strays because I’m on .ml but I’m not a tankie (I’m left libertarian like Chomsky)
I think everyone who sees Chomsky in a positive overall light should read On Chomsky.
What if I just really like Captain Fantastic?
Tankies are delulu
most coherent dronie joins the discussion
Marxists tend to be consistently correct and ahead of the curve, thanks to the analytical tool of Dialectical Materialism.
Marxists aren’t the same as tankies
“Tankie” is a pejorative for Marxist, just like “commie” and “pinko.”
Tankies are a specific type of internet communist that support oppressive, authoritarian regimes.
Tankies are not leftist lol. They’re authoritarian bootlickers.
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Marxists are absolutely leftists, if you redefine Leftism to only include Anarchism you are making a severe error in political understanding.
Tankies aren’t Marxists lol
They’re more MAGA than anything. Just spend some time on Hexbear or .ml.
They’re pro censorship, anti-free speech, anti human rights, and constantly talk shit about “liberals”. Sounds like a hard authoritarian right to me.
The ideas that domination is the goal are correct. The domination goes beyond social issues. Owing someone rent puts them in a position to dominate me. Saying the rent is the people’s rent doesn’t rationalize the domination.
Marxists do not seek “domination” of others, nor do Socialist countries extract “rent.” Using a portion of the social fund to create infrastructure, social safety nets, advance productivity via new Capital, and more are not the same as a landlord extracting surplus value on the basis of owning a scarce resource like land. I think you’re confused on several areas, like what Marxists want, how Socialist states function, and what “rent” is. If you want, I have theory I can recommend for you.
What no theory does to a mf
Saying the rent is the people’s rent
Well that’s a strawman that nobody says
a lost redditor appears, it’s very confused
“Tankie” is just the terminally online version of “commie” or “pinko,” it’s just a pejorative for Marxists. The 3 instances you called “tankie” are the 3 biggest Marxist-friendly instances.
Shit on the political compass all you want, it does help bring a bit of nuance into discussions like this:
To be fair, the political compass absolutely does not bring nuance. All governments are authoritarian, all states are instruments of class opression. What matters is which class is being oppressed, by which. The political compass is closer to astrology for political nerds than a coherent theory.
Would you call communist states (an oxymoron, I know) instruments of class opression?
All governments are authoritiarian, but to what extent?
I more-meant the difference between the libertarian and authoritarian right/left, its a useful distinction to have.
Yes, absolutely. Socialist states governed by Communist Parties are states where the Proletariat oppresses the Bourgeoisie. You can’t simply eliminate all property relations overnight, the role of a proletarian state is to sieze the large firms and key industries that are necessary to maintain that power, and gradually appropriate firms and industry until the entire economy can be publicly owned and planned.
There aren’t really degrees of authoritarian or libertarian in a state, just what circumstances the system finds itself in. At times where class struggle is sharpened, the state employs more drastic measures to maintain the class in charge, and this goes for bourgeois states or proletarian states.
Even comparing Anarchism with Marxism as “libertarian vs authoritarian” isn’t apt. Anarchists also employ authority in overturning class relations, just via a horizontalist approach. Marxist states also are more comprehensively democratic than Capitalist ones, as they spread democracy to the economy, for the many rather than for the few.
Just my 2 cents as a Marxist-Leninist.
There aren’t really degrees of authoritarian or libertarian in a state, just what circumstances the system finds itself in.
This sounds like that rare thing in political science: a falsifiable assertion. Do you happen to know if anyone has tested it?
I’m not sure how you would test it, outside of looking at states through history, in different contexts. Germany is a good example. Germany in the early 20th century, after World War I, was in serious debt and had rising contradictions that led to increased worker organization. The bourgeoisie was terrified of a Communist uprising, so they employed the Nazis to purge them. After the fall of the Nazis, the system didn’t radically change, but the need for the Nazis as a sort of alter-ego to stamp out Communism was done. They remained Capitalist throughout the entire time, but each change in policy was driven by changing conditions.
Marxists posit that the Mode of Production is the base, which creates the superstructure, which is the laws, ideology, and culture, which shapes the base. This cyclical relationship shows that biggest shaper of policy is the needs of the ruling class, and the conditions they are dealing with. I am not “inventing” this stance, of course, its been here for a long while.
he did say communist governments are authoritarian, in them the capitalist class would be getting oppressed by the state in service of the working class. this is why it’s called the dictatorship of the proletariat - the proletariat should still be getting their interests as a class represented in this arrangement, while bourgious have no special status or access due to their capital.
All governments are authoritarian, all states are instruments of class opression. What matters is which class is being oppressed, by which.
are there any examples of libertarian states?
a relevant passage from This Soviet World by Anna Louise Strong
In a neoliberal sense, kinda, but those are really just shifting who is oppressing people to capitalists.
I think that still qualifies as a bourgious dictatorship
100%, excellent explanation!
Thanks for pulling out the political compass, cause it helps me illustrate my point:
No tankies are authoritarian left.
They’re pro censorship, anti-free speech, anti human rights, and constantly talk shit about “liberals”. Sounds like a hard authoritarian right to me.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
Marxists in general are in favor of controlling the speech of the bourgeoisie, as were Marx and Engels:
>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Marxists are not “anti-free speech,” nor are Hexbear and Lemmy.ml. Rampant misinformation and bigotry should be removed, and is. Marxists, including .ml and Hexbear, are absolutely pro-Human Rights. Marxists do hate liberals, liberals are pro-Capitalism apologists, and thus liberalism has been a target of Socialists of all stripes since liberalism became a thing.
How do you create so many nearly identical posts? Is it just copy pasta? Is it full automation? I mean holy shit, if I created a bot, it would react to questions like this.
In case you didn’t read that thing here’s that thing again. Ehhh.
I commented elsewhere, but all states are authoritarian. What matters is which class is exerting its authority. In Socialist states, that class is the Proletariat against the Bourgeoisie. Marxists are not any more “auth” than other ideologies, and not any less.
States can present as more or less auth depending on the circumstances they are in, when the class struggle is a sharpened contradiction, but that doesn’t mean the state is making a choice to be more or less auth, just that it responds to different circumstances.
Karl Marx, famous right-winger? Very silly comment.
Auth-right would be fascism.
I wanted to point out that, even though they are authoritarian, they are still leftist. The Political Compass adds a bit of nuance, so there can be a distinction.
Nuance doesn’t seem to be their strong suit
I’m a part of Lemmy.zip for a few months now. Great server with transparent admins who post about server updates and such. It’s tech-oriented as an instance, but it’s federated, so you still have access to all other servers. I’m a computer nerd, hence why I picked it.
Just keep in mind you might have to instance hop again if your chosen instance goes down, but that’s OK.
Hmm. Do any of the apps allow you to seamlessly manage more than one?
Most Lemmy apps support switching quickly between instances.
In theory, this could ease the transition when an instance closes, I guess.
In reality, the Internet is for pornography.
It presumably makes it easier to quickly switch between porn-free and porn-full subscription sets.
I say “Presumably”, because I’m above all that… here on my non-porn account.
Plus…there’s probably someone here who carefully separates their Linux Lemmys into one account and their railway and mass transit news Lemmys into another.
Good to know!
I’m new to this but I’ve found Voyager has served me really well so far. I have two accounts now lemm.ee is going.
Does it provide a way to sync subscriptions across as well?
Most do yes, since that’s how Lemmy works in general
The default web frontend has no such provision. If SDF is down I have to go and navigate to my backup instance like a peasant.
Maybe I should switch to an app. The only trick is that I’ll have to hack it a little bit to make sure it always launches over Tor. Unless I get on Qubes soon.
Well yeah a web front-end wouldn’t have that as it’s intrinsically tied to the instance lol
I know. I was slightly butthurt at the suggestion I’m Lemmying wrong, though. Without third party software, movement between instances isn’t seamless right now, just possible.
Oh, lol definitely didn’t mean to imply that haha, was just saying all the apps I’ve tried (I literally only use mobile to access Lemmy) have the ability to add and swap between accounts on different instances :)
hexbear.net, lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, easily the best instances.
Recommended the 3 worst ones
I disagree, the users on all three have been nothing but supportive and wonderful to me.
Even if you truly believe that, just saying that without talking about those instances’ reputation seems… unhelpful, at best. You’re telling someone to join hexbear without telling them how many instances have defederated from it.
The reputation is only positive in my view.
Yes, of course you people like it but the rest of us for sure aren’t switching to worse instances.
What kind of people am I?
You know…
No, please, go ahead.
A marxist-leninist
Marxists tend to like all 3 of those instances, those who don’t like Marxists tend to hate them. As a Marxist, they are by no means “worse instances,” I much prefer them.
People are recommending all sorts of instances without telling them how many instances have de-federated from them and if they’re federated with hexbear etc.
You only focus that criticism on this suggestion because you are obviously one of the people who don’t like hexbear and want to frame your critique of the suggestion as more reasonable/less biased.
What exactly is the “reputation” hexbear has anyway? Being based?
Those three instances are a lot more controversial than most, and I’m not gonna argue with you if you’re gonna pretend to not know that.
Controversial in the view of liberals and conservatives.
Controversial amongst whom and for what reasons?
Without providing that context your critique is “…unhelpful at best”
“My specific bias alone is justified in a way that conveniently doesn’t even bear explaining.”
“Controversial” in that Marxists tend to support them, and those opposed to Marxism don’t. It’s as simple as that, really.
This!
/s
Nah, I agree. Hexbear is probably my favorite out of the 3, but all are good instances.
europe.pub
One thing you should do is grab your data for easy moving, you haven’t already.
Assuming you’re using the default Lemmy web UI (not Voyager, or Photon, or a mobile app, or whatever), click on your username in the top right, and select “Settings”.
On the settings page, there’s a section called “Import/Export Settings”. Click the “Export” button and let your browser download the file.
Then, when you switch instances, you can go into the same Settings page on the new instance, select the file you downloaded, and hit “Import” and you will automatically be resubscribed to the communities you subscribed to.
Wow didn’t know this was an option. Need to migrate my off of lemm.ee then. Thanks for the heads up.
Thank you so so much for showing how to export it. I didn’t want to have to start from scratch in trying to figure out who I followed and who I didn’t. Appreciate it once and again.
Great, I am using voyager. How do I achieve the same goal?
Voyager doesn’t have the ability to do this in the app, you will have to use a browser
You’ll have to use a browser. Navigate to lemm.ee/settings.
Done that, now how do change servers? Feel free to direct me to tech support if this is not your idea of fun
Later on when you successfully sign up on a different Lemmy instance just go into your new user’s profile settings again (exactly how you just did for https://lemm.ee/settings but it’ll be [YOUR-NEW-LEMMY-INSTANCE]/settings, in there under “Import/Export Settings” look for the Import section and there you can import the file you just exported.
PS - For a quick overview of Lemmy instances you can check out https://lemmyverse.net/?order=active&open=true and/or https://join-lemmy.org/instances
just find another instance and make an account there, I just moved from lemm.ee cause lemmy.today was recommended in the comments on a post about the shutdown.
Create a new account on the new server. You can do it in Voyager and just pick a server from the list, or go to that server’s website in a browser.
Press the export button and save the file to your device.
Now find a new instance and import that file.
What do you look for in an instance? Many different instances with different uses and needs.
Where would I find a way to know if an instance aligned with what I wanted or not? I’m supposed to personally find and explore a bunch of different ones?
Ive recently stumbled on Fediseer, where instances can give recommendations, censures and hesitations to other instances. every instance also has its own page with their self-description, stats, recommendations, censures, etc. might be a helpful tool to narrow down the potential instances.
That’s a good tip, it’s a good idea to subscribe to a Lemmy instance that participates in Fediseer (IMO). It helps to keep spammy instances off your own instance hence lower spam posts overall.
A lot of spammers tend to spin up their own Lemmy instances just to spam the rest of the Fediverse, or they’ll create a ton of new accounts on an instance with lax admin/moderation to use for spam later.
You don’t even need to browse the Fediseer website directly, pretty much all Lemmy instances participating in Fediseer will have the “Guarantor” and “Endorsements” links in the sidebar of their homepage.
There’s the “Join Lemmy” tool that shows a list of instances, you can click on them and see if they fit what you want.
db0 is pretty good
db0 works for me.
Power hungry admin and uber cringe ai content, pass
oh, I assumed it was a community for Dragon Ball Z fans.
Communities about Anarchism, Generative AI, Copylefts, Neurodivergence, Filesharing, and Free Software.
This sounds like me. Well, apart from the generative AI thing. Let’s see what the dominant stance on it is first
They are pro-ai-the-technology, they’re not on board with the big Ai companies.
Yeah apart the AI it’s a pretty good instance but I’ll stick with CA
have you checked out the porn one? some guy posted like 20 pictures of his dick
Was that someone you?
The only difference is the administration of the instance (their activeness, beliefs and how they choose to moderate), what instances they federated or defederated with (like hexbear and lemmygrad), and what features they’ve chosen to implement or not (like downvotes). For casual use, it probably doesn’t make a difference.
I’m just now realizing my primary account is here on .ee as well. I have one with lemmy.one and midwest.social but I’ll probably make a new one somewhere else like dbzero unless they’re still federated with hexbear since .one doesn’t use downvotes and I have constant connection issues with midwest.social.
I was under the impression that any server will have access to any instance? Is that not the case? Do some of them limit ? I would we looking for the one that limits nothing
I chose lemmy.zip because it has similar fed/defed policies as lemm.ee.
Many block only hexbear and lemmygrad because they are just propaganda machines. Mostly they were left unblocked until their users started to invade other instances to spread their blatant propaganda.
I think if it like an ad block. On lemm.ee, I blocked them both on my own anyway because I found them obnoxious.
If you go to the main page website of an instance and scroll all the way to the bottom, there should be an “instances” button that will tell you which instances are federated and which are blocked. I figure the default page is like lemme.ee/instances or sopuli.xyz/instances for example.
Every web forum is a propaganda machine, the whole point of a web forum is to convey ideas and information.
That’s not what happened, actually. Hexbear, for example, wasn’t federated with anyone for years until it started federating, and servers like Lemmy.world defederated before being federated. Lemmygrad.ml is fairly broadly federated, but gives the illusion of being widely defederated because Lemmy.world also defederated from them, as Lemmy.world admins are anti-Marxist (just read the reasons they gave for defederation).
They aren’t any more or less propaganda than other instances, they are different in alignment, ie Hex is Anarchist/Marxist (general) and Lemmygrad is Marxist-Leninist.
No greater sin than being right too early
Counter-hegemonic ideas are “propaganda”; hegemonic ideas are just “common sense”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony
Mostly they were left unblocked until their users started to invade other instances to spread their blatant propaganda.
isn’t the entire point of a federated platform that you’re going to be able to access other instances?
istg people hit the block button like they’re mashing the independent thought alarm
isn’t the entire point of a federated platform that you’re going to be able to access other instances?
Yes, but the point isn’t to connect to every instance.
Curated instances and smaller networks within the fediverse were always thought of.
Yeah, but it’s weird to be complaining about people using /all and finding content, calling it “invading”
It does appear that way, and there are some cases of it happening, but doesn’t servers blocking hexbear solve the problem of people complaining about it, for people on hexbear?
I mean this was a .ee user complaining about seeing people they’re federated with, I’m sure they will be more happy in one of the more liberal echo chamber instances
A server can decide what servers it’s connected to. It can have a blacklist of blocked instances - or even go further and have a whitelist of allowed instances, blocking all else.
Such a feature is necessary to deal with issues like spam instances, or instances that host illegal content.
One of the things I like a lot about lemme.ee is that they have blocked very few instances.
unless they’re still federated with hexbear
coward
The Voyager app now defaults to lemmy.zip. I really like sh.itjust.works fwiw.
I’m thinking between Zip and db0… I can’t decide 😁
I was too comfortable with lemme.ee (AKA less drama overall than your favorite Lemmy instance) but now I need to deal with this…
Well, I knew from the beginning, that the fediverse works this way, if any we should be grateful we were given a good window to migrate (former fmhy user here lol), and honestly it makes sense, each instance can’t last forever… Not even big sites like Reddit will.
I also can vouch for sh.itjust.works. They have a fair defederation policy and has only gone down a couple times in the two years I’ve been using it. When it has the admin has been quick to address it and provides updates via a matrix chat.
The one downside is that some more niche domains have degenerated from us due to the open enrolment we have (beehaw comes directly to mind). I recall someone linking a website that tracked what servers are federated with each other but I can’t find it now unfortunately.
I recall someone linking a website that tracked what servers are federated with each other but I can’t find it now unfortunately.
i think you might be referring to Fediseer?
I went here after i read .ee is shutting down , most of the stuff i followed back there i can follow from here
I’m really out of the loop. Why is lemm.ee shutting down? I thought it was one of the more sizeable instances.
Admin team was too small and they couldnt find a replacements for people that were leaving , its a ungrateful job i guess ?
We welcome you to the fold! I tried a few instances when I joined a couple years back but basically never use my alts because SJW ‘just works’ :) I hope you enjoy it as much as I have!
Thanks a ton , i liked .ee culture , hope to have some of the same weirdness here too
Oh no! Not beehaw!
Is beehaw still around? I had no idea. I thought they defederated from everyone then I assumed they died out.
They only block lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, and a few small servers.
Its honestly a really pleasant place to be – I see no negativity there.
This has really made me lose faith in a defederated system like this.
@Anyone: please let me know if I’m wrong about these and if there’s a solution, but as far as I can see:
- I can’t export my account (most importantly all the posts and comments I’ve saved).
- It’s difficult to find where a server is based.
- Some instances seem to be solo hobby projects. I don’t want to pick another instance that is at risk of being killed.
You’re being down voted, but I feel you. It’s why I picked one of the largest instances when I joined, despite what other Lemmings tend to tell people to do. Picking a small instance is a bad idea because they die out like that. I’ve seen several fairly significant smaller instances die out at this point. I don’t want to wake up and my account suddenly vanished one day because the host forgot about it.
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Your saved posts and comments are included in your exported settings along with your subscriptions. I was happy to discover that when I did it yesterday.
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Most instances say where they are based in their instance description. If not, you can do a whois lookup to see the general area they are in. Another option is asking in the meta community of the instance.
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Similar to the second point above, most instance owners are transparent with their infrastructure and the ones who are running small servers as hobby projects usually put it as a disclaimer.
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The lack of account mobility is really a huge problem with the fediverse, you lose all your stuff if you move to another instance.
For me, decentralization is a kind that exists on a spectrum.
In the Fediverse, there has been decentralization in many ways, and I understand that it’s the way it is—no single Fediverse instance or server holds greater power or authority over the others.
However, some servers may be more popular than others because they have been actively promoted or because many friends are using them.
For me, I subscribed to managed hosting services and they are paid to host a Lemmy server. Yes, I also paid for a DNS domain name, which costs around $2 for the first year and $20 for the following year.
This way, I can define my server rules, decide which servers to federate with, and choose whether to close the server or not. It’s up to us, unless we are committed to maintaining a large server with a huge user base and are willing to deal with the challenges of moderation.
What I like about the Fediverse is that there are so many free and open-source software options like Lemmy, Mastodon, Mitra, and GotoSocial. I believe that these source codes are free to audit. Therefore, for me, this software feels more like my own than some other software that belongs to someone popular or wealthy.
And regarding your data that you want to recover, maybe you can try to email the server support team to retrieve your data and see if they can provide instructions on how to do so.
