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      Did my best, but my European geography identity the best and may have missed a couple:

      Germany & Poland oppose. Netherlands, Austria, Estonia, Slovenia and Czechia neutral. Portugal, Spain, France, Ireland, Italy, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia and Greece support.

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      Yes, kind of weird, since chat control is postponed because too many countries opposed it. Is it on the table again?

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        AFAIK chat control 2. First one was struch down by ECHR.

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    Fuck GDPR!

    GDPR only legalized data collection!

    Don’t take my word for it, just look for how many “vendors” you are forced to agree with when accessing almost all websites. Add to this G**gle analytica and FB pixel and there you have it!

    Full, “legal”, consented huge data collection and aggregation tracking the shit out of everyone for what?

    Yes, now go figure how do you want your future and your kids future to look like!

    Cheers!

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      Governments have been trying to impose chat control for over a decade now but so far they haven’t been able to get it through. That doesn’t stop them from trying over and over again though and this time their chances are looking better than usual. Even if they fail once more they’ll do it all over again soon afterwards. This topic will never get old.

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        Would there be any way to enshrine privacy/no chat control for the EU? Similar to constitutional amendments in the states, where it becomes exceptionally more difficult to revoke?

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      It was pulled from voting a second time, it will undoubtedly return for another round.

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    Bit weird to include non-EU members in the map as if they are decision makers in the eu

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      All non-Eu members are shaded in grey as far as I can see, except for the Faroe Islands I suppose.

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    Honestly I just wish I could take the steps written in the article but it would most likely be of no use.

    I have very few close relationships and am not widely liked or popular by any means, don’t use social media because nobody sees my posts anyway, and the country I live in has a lot of media censorship, therefore the vast majority of the population is very conservative, uneducated and narrow-minded about most political topics.

    I’ve been taking a lot of steps lately to reclaim my online privacy, and would hate to see it all thrown out the window by the EU, a union I thought was doing Europe justice before now…

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    On this map I see a Rastafarian llama with a duck for an ass and tail.

    The Nederlands is the duck.

    Huh.

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    They’ll keep bringing this up again and again and again until it passes, huh.

    Next Council deliberations and vote in October-December.

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      That’s the thing. People have to keep voting forever to keep this from coming into effect, but they only need it to pass a vote once for it to be enacted for basically ever.

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      The real goal is to get the population to regret demanding things like gdpr.

      Similar to the plastic industry’s covert legislative push to ban plastic straw.

      Irritate the public enough to stop them demanding more.

      In this case it’s a double whammy of also getting our sweet private data for their AI models.

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        Got any more info on the plastic straw plot? Because I’d love for that to be true, but I’m just getting craploads of articles saying the opposite.

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          Of course, the mad men won’t leak those details until they’re on their death bed and need to repent.

          Here of a slightly more refined take.

          Anti plastic straw campaign is an industry gambit to undermine environmentalist anti plastic movement. It create maximum public inconvenience and backlash against the environmentalist cause for a minimal loss of profits. This moves protects the rest of the industry by reducing support to the anti plastic caused through backlash and the feeling of accomplishment and sacrifice

          Chatgpt re interpretation

          This perspective suggests that the anti-plastic straw campaign is a strategic move by the plastic industry to protect itself. By targeting plastic straws, which are a minor part of plastic waste but widely used, the campaign creates significant public inconvenience. This inconvenience can lead to a backlash against the broader environmental movement. Consequently, people might feel that the inconvenience of giving up straws is enough of a sacrifice, reducing their motivation to support more substantial anti-plastic initiatives. Meanwhile, the plastic industry sustains minimal financial impact since straws represent a small fraction of their overall product lineup. This theory implies a sophisticated tactic to safeguard the industry’s interests by diverting attention from more impactful areas of plastic production and consumption.

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            So just a personal theory then?

            There was definitely a time when I would have called this seriously tinfoil-hat… but given the stuff that keeps coming out, the industries support for community recycling programs that they knew would never work, etc. I’m giving it a 7/10 for probably and a 10/10 for creativity ;-)

            Personally I tend to believe that generally well meaning people thought that paper straw technology would continue to improve, didn’t involve PFAS or microplastics… or that we’d all carry around a personal straw. But I do love the smoke filled room of mad men architecting a masterful conspiracy propped on the plastic shoulders of the humblest of columns.

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      Yes and no As long as there is no wide spread opposition they will Long term we need to make this a very unpopular stance

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    Folks, this should inspire you to start self-hosting a federated, decentralized chat server with freely available source code by yourself or with a small community. Governments can coerce these big, usually-corpo centralized servers to give up data but good luck if there are hundreds of thousands (of millions?) of small servers with 1–10 users on it & clients not controlled by a single entity for distribution (easier now that y’all coerced Mommy Apple to let you sideload applications & use alternative package managers).

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        I mean, GDPR is a fucking disaster. Nobody is getting it right, same with cookie consent. This is because the last time geriatric imbeciles at the European parliament seen a computer was back at 98.

        Since all those people are using it, it kinda doesn’t matter for them. As if not having their data harvested from every single click makes them not care about GDPR and the other bullshit. What a surprise.

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          If you’re federating the data to servers you don’t control, it’s impossible to guarantee deletion of it. GDPR requires that users be able to request deletion of their data

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            I knew about that, but I thought it only applied to personal information (with limitations with regards to there being some professional entity collecting it). If I make a statement to the press that goes on print, I cannot demand them recalling papers in order to be compliant with GDPR.

            That being said, I am by no means very knowledgeable about this.

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        You don’t need to worry about data retention when you own the server & you are the only user. It’s the servers you or someone you know & trust don’t own where you should actually worry about this.

        It’s also more problematic with all systems built on eventual consistency models, so best to avoid those since you’ll never be able to get the data dropped. Chat being ephemeral is good.

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    Therefore there is a real threat that the required majority for mass scanning of private communications may be achieved at any time under the current Hungarian presidency (Hungary being a supporter of the proposal).

    Why did they let this Hungarian pro-Nazi idiot regime lead anything?

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    Would be handy if they included a pre-written pdf to oppose this proposition + emails or forms to easily submit your opposition to each of the countries.

    Instead it’s a general “contact your government”,
    which 99% of normal people do not know how to do, me included.

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      Not necessarily the best idea. My representative went on national television accusing bots of spamming her email, even though every single one of those probably was a person using some template that was provided. Those forms go straight into trash unfortunately. Best to use them as a guideline and write your personal concerns instead.

      Alternatively, ChatGPT. No idea if it works, though.

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      Is there was such a pdf, your government already received it. You along in your own words is unique

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      from the linked website:

      Ask you government to call on the European Commission to withdraw the chat control proposal. Point them to a joint letter that was recently sent by children’s rights and digital rights groups from across Europe. Click here to find the letter and more information.

      one paragraph below that:

      When reaching out to your government, the ministries of the interior (in the lead) of justice and of digitisation/telecommunications/economy are your best bet. You can additionally contact the permanent representation of your country with the EU.

      the bold parts are clickable URLs in the original text.

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    Make no mistake, Germany isn’t opposing this out of a principled stance. The German government too wants more ways to control people’s activity.

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    My biggest takeaway from this infographic is that norway is not part of the EU, who would’ve thought

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    Relying on legislation to get passed or not get passed only gets us so far. Yes, absolutely, write your reps and vote, but also donate to your favorite decentralized, private tech project so they can improve the user experience and get more users. We need to make tyrannical censorship & surveillance not only technically impossible but politically unfeasible. The way we do that is by building better tech and getting more and more of the population to use it.