Based on the 2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Via a former conservative on Reddit:

  • The government won’t allow you to get an abortion even if giving birth would kill you (p.449 - 503)
  • The government won’t let you buy condoms or plan b (p.449)
  • The government will give more free money to the ultra-rich and the largest corporations (p.691)
  • The government will not allow for workers to be protected at work (p.581)
  • The government will steal your social security (p.691)
  • The government will take away Medicare (p.449)
  • The government will not let you find affordable healthcare (p.449)
  • The government will refuse to help educate our children (p.319)
  • The government will give your tax money to private schools for christians (p.319)
  • The government will force public schools to become religious schools for christians (p.319)
  • The government will fire you for the color of your skin (p545 - 581)
  • The government will tell you what you’re allowed to think (p319)
  • The government will sell our land to be permanently destroyed (p417)
  • The government will sell the arctic to oil companies (p363)
  • Big business and oil will be allowed to do whatever they want without consequences (p.363)
  • The government will tell you what a family is supposed to look like. Anything else is a crime. (p.545 - 581)
  • The government will make us deaf/blind to attack by destroying the FBI and Homeland Security (p.133)
  • The government will build concentration camps to get rid of anyone deemed un-American (p.133)
  • If you’re born in the United States you are not automatically a citizen (p.133)
  • The government will make it legal for food to be poison (p.363 - 417)

Claims without a citation yet:

  • The government will not let you get a divorce without “proof” of wrongdoing
  • Your taxes will go up
  • The government will not let you retire
  • Drugs will cost more
  • The government will let your kids go hungry while they are forced to attend these schools
  • The government will tell you what you’re allowed to read and burn the rest
  • The government will freely kill citizens they disagree with
  • The government will attack single mothers because that’s not a “traditional” family
  • The government will order our active-duty military to attack us if we protest
  • The government will make being muslim on American soil a crime
  • The government will make sure all judges are more loyal to the party than they are to the country
  • DarkCloud@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I hear he’s saying he doesn’t know who came up with it. Here’s what Wikipedia says:

    Project 2025 partners employ over 200 former officials from the Trump administration.[55] Notable authors of the project’s Mandate for Leadership include many officials and advisors from the Trump administration, including Jonathan Berry, Ben Carson, Ken Cuccinelli, Rick Dearborn, Thomas Gilman, Mandy Gunasekara, Gene Hamilton, Christopher Miller, Bernard McNamee, Stephen Moore, Mora Namdar, Peter Navarro, William Perry Pendley, Diana Furchtgott-Roth, Kiron Skinner, Roger Severino, Hans von Spakovsky, Brooks Tucker, Russell Vought, and Paul Winfree.[56] Former president Trump has not publicly endorsed Project 2025, and his campaign said such recommendations from “external allies” are just “recommendations.”[57]

    Vought was named policy director of the Republican National Committee platform committee in May 2024.[58]

    At the 2023 Iowa State Fair, the leaders of Project 2025 began recruiting people for future government posts in the event of a Republican victory.[59]

    On July 5, 2024 Former President Trump expressed his disagreement with Project 2025 in a statement: “I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal.”[60][61]

    • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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      3 months ago

      This is exactly why Trump is the best case scenario for all this ugly shit coming to its battle. Think about if they went to all this trouble of laying the groundwork and rigging the media coverage so everyone spends the whole time talking about how Biden’s old and jerrymandering and overriding vote totals with the state legislature and killing the post office and intimidating voters and running multi billion dollar explicitly seditionist media networks and whatever else and what the hell, it works, and he gets a second term.

      And then he says, fuck that, we hate Project 2025 now, if I do that then people won’t like me

      It’s the same reason some spy agencies put a kibosh on the idea of killing Hitler… like actually, we looked at it, and this guy’s a seriously mentally ill stimulant-addicted megalomaniac in addition to a stone cold moron who refuses to listen to anyone smarter than him, I think we actually want him to be the one in charge of the whole operation.

      • Modva@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        No, he’s saying he doesn’t agree with all of it so that any Trump supporter who looks at the list and finds something they don’t like will think “Oh yeah, this is the thing Trump won’t like either, same as me”.

        It’s a mental trick to stop the supporters from getting hooked into details.

        • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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          3 months ago

          That too, yes. But my main point is that Trump is such a disorganized moron that I think it’s possible that having him at the helm will undo a lot of the potential effectiveness of Project 2025. Having almost anyone else in charge of its implementation will amp up the terrifyingness level by quite a bit, and it already wasn’t small.

      • enbyecho@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Did you seriously write all that and not once think of all the collateral damage? I mean, Hitler didn’t personally execute millions of Jews. A conservative administration will pack the courts, weaken voter rights, and put sycophants in key positions they will hold for years. Just for starters.

        If even half this agenda gets acted on we’ll be fucked for decades.

        • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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          3 months ago

          Wait, hang on. I didn’t mean I want Trump to win. Trump in charge is a global catastrophe. I’m just saying that Ron DeSantis or something, in charge of the machine that’s now been created for Trump, would be a several times worse catastrophe.

          I’m saying that defeating Trump is absolutely vital, and that we’re a little bit lucky that it’s Trump, because he’ll be a lot easier to defeat than a lot of other people that might have been in charge of all this stuff that’s been building ever since Roger Ailes had his bright idea, now that it’s come to its fruition.

    • Digitalprimate@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      How would he “disagree with some of the things they’re saying” when he "know(s) nothing about Project 2025?

      • Freefall@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        It is such a a simple and impossible to miss thread of logic, isn’t it. Something noone could possibly miss, no?

        Infuriating

  • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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    3 months ago

    I think the pure length of it introduces enough delay before encountering the really terrifying parts and might interfere with the punch of the message. I might try to do a modified version with some bold text and larger sections so some of the strong full impact comes across right away, without trying to reduce the detail or the scope

    Also, I think it is relevant to repeat the founders’ feeling on it. The “government” doesn’t “let” you do anything. Everyone’s just born into the earth into this wild and semiorganized place, as weird social beings that are half monkeys and half made up of something a lot more inspirational. And from time to time, they want to set up a system they all agree on so they can have clean water and roadways and courts and someone centrally in charge of the economy, things like that. But, sometimes like a few thousand people put temporarily in charge of all that start to look around at all the guns and money in their command and get confused and think they have the right to tell 400 million other people “hey check it out you have to do what I say, I DGAF what you think or of it’s right, that’s just what’s up.” And then when that happens it is the job of the 400 million to re educate them on what’s up.

    And you could say that if they don’t, they deserve what happens. But honestly it’s not even a statement of deserves or not, or right and wrong. It is simply a statement of the reality of what happens. Most of things like the bill of rights is understood today as like, what the government is “allowed” to restrict and not, but the founders’ view of it was a lot more akin to, these are some examples of what people will do as inherent parts of their nature and God help you if you try to tell them they can’t, and they become alert and organized.

  • moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I do think this is important for people to know about but this is definitely not a cool guide, I recommend posting this on a different community

  • LostWon@lemmy.caEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Condemn single mothers while promoting only “traditional families.”

    Should be: Condemn single mothers instead of absent parents.

  • OceanSoap@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Just to be clear, he’s outright said he’s got no connection to this project, and that he disagrees with a lot of whats in it

    Weather or not you believe him, fine, but let’s not pretend he’s out advocating for it.

    • Freefall@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Oh HE SAID THAT? Well dang, I can’t even name 445 times he has lied, so it must be true! Oh wait…there are already videos disproving everything he said with receipts (Midas touch, BTC, etc.)…darn, and I was SO CLOSE!

      Moron

      • OceanSoap@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I mean, it’s more proof than any that’s been claimed of him being on board for it. “He lies sometimes” isn’t proof, and it’s much less proof than him willingly saying something, in public, in writing, to be set in stone eternally.

          • OceanSoap@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Pleanty of allegations, but if any of it were true, he’d be fried on that, and NY wouldn’t have had to make up felony charges to get him on. Allegations aren’t proof.

            • Freefall@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              3 months ago

              Well…you got the last sentence correct…so that is some progress. You will get there eventually. Take care.

    • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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      3 months ago

      He blindly picked all the judges that the Federalist Society chose. What makes you think he’s gonna do anything different for another powerful conservative organization of the same caliber?

      • OceanSoap@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I think he had a rough go of it trusting a lot of people he shouldn’t have the first time around. I think he’s not going to be so gullible in that regard if he gets voted in again.

  • Jeena@piefed.jeena.netEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Wouldn’t it be easier just to move to North Korea? There you can enjoy those perks from day one.

  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 months ago

    The fact that the manifesto is hundreds of pages long, they hate everything good and decent is country enough to write hundreds of pages about how and why we should burn it all to the ground.

  • Coolcat1711@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I just don’t really get why people even get behind stuff like this. There’s just nothing for anyone to really gain and a whole lot for everyone to lose…

    Even the mega rich and the corporations have to recognize that an unstable world isn’t really a great place to live or do business right? Or is it just that they’re so far removed from everything that they don’t have to care?

    By the time you’re benefiting from this in a non-symbolic way, your net worth is more than you can conceivably spend in a lifetime… Go home, you’re done!

    • DannyMac@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      They’ll have a care once they hear that guillotine blade start its decent

    • Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I think it’s short term thinking. Probably something similar to the way investors think when they’re on a mission to earn money, but end up causing enshittification

    • BCsven@lemmy.caEnglish
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      3 months ago

      They are only thinking of “Me” now, or “Me and my kids”, they will be dead when society collapses and they don’t care. But yes, the obscene amassed wealth is insanity, it means nothing to your lifestyle at some point. And will be useless at death.

  • JimSamtanko@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 months ago

    This is what the bots here don’t want you voting against. Vote like lives depend on it!

    • Five@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I’m the OP, and I also post in [email protected]. I’m a human who’s been called a bot, and an advocate for Ukrainians and Russians against colonization and tyranny who has been called a Russian puppet.

      Whether you vote or not isn’t important to me as long as whoever gets elected, you continue to fight for a better world via direct action. We’re in exactly this situation because people’s political resistance begins and ends with voting, and that means the people who get the ‘progressive’ vote merely have to be the least worst fascist on the ballot. Totalitarian tyranny isn’t built on the virtues of the tyrants, but the failures of the liberals. The Democrats created this situation, and they deserve to face consequences for it.

      Blaming bogey-men like Russian bots and scapegoating politically ‘unsophisticated’ leftists only puts off the self-reflection that needs to happen so that if the United States survives this election, they won’t be back in exactly this situation with a new fascist threat in another 4 years.

      • JimSamtanko@lemm.eeEnglish
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        3 months ago

        This reads a lot like bothsidesism. And frankly it’s utter horse shit. And the clowns in Notvoting need to open a history book and try and find a single moment in history where NOT voting in an election created positive change.

        I’ll save you some time:

        Not once has it happened. If you don’t vote- you don’t get to influence any part of any change you’d like to see, but others do. And if you don’t vote, you have no control over what changes. It probably fits without saying, but maybe let everyone over there know that the election is going to happen with or without their influence.

        So folding your arms and pouting is going to do nothing at all- and it’s going to say nothing at all- to no one that cares or is even willing you pay attention.

        All you’re doing is removing the power you have to ever see the changes you want.

        Lastly…

        and they deserve to face the consequences…

        So you’re openly admitting that you’re withholding your vote- for the purpose of getting Trump elected to punish democrats?

        That makes YOU the problem here. Not voters. So go back to your echo chamber and pretend you’ve doing something good here. When Trump takes over, it’s going to be very interesting to see how you spin this into being the fault of the voters.

      • icydefiance@lemm.eeEnglish
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        3 months ago

        We’re in this situation because people don’t vote.

        All other forms of political activism, aside from murder, exist to convince people to vote.

        Activism without voting is worthless.

        You want more progressive candidates? Vote for Democrats until Republicans are forced to move to the left, and then Democrats will be able to move to the left as well.

        That’s how the Overton window works.

        • Five@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
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          3 months ago

          The Overton window is a measurement of acceptable political discourse. You shift it by vocally expressing unpopular public opinions in the public sphere, not by voting. Voting is supposed to be an expression of popular public opinion, not the other way around.

          Sometimes the most effective way to change things is by threatening not to vote and convincing other people to do likewise. The most famous use of this tactic was by the civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr.

          In the 1960s black people were much more actively discriminated against on a systemic level, practically prevented from voting in many of the states in the southern United States. The president at the time was the Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson, and was facing the much more racist Republican challenger Barry Goldwater. While the black vote was suppressed in the south, there was a significant voting block in the north of black people and their allies whose main issue was civil rights. Civil rights leaders, including Martin Luther King, met several times with LBJ, who coaxed them to tone down the direct action protests and criticism until after the election, as he claimed to we willing to negotiate with them once the threat to his power was diminished. Instead, civil rights protests increased. The leaders, probably correctly, determined that once the election was over, they would have less leverage. Even though losing the election meant having an enemy in the white house, having a ‘friend’ who continued to delay essential concessions did not further their cause. People were actively being murdered by the ‘Jim Crow’ apartheid regime, and delays and half-measures were not sufficient.

          Thanks to the pressure of millions of people engaged in direct action and open criticism of the president, the Civil Rights Act was passed before the 1964 election. LBJ won by a landslide due to the popularity of the legislation, but suffered the severe political consequences Democrats were trying to avoid through their strategy of placation and delay. The 1964 election was the last where Democrats got the majority of the white vote, and electing politicians in the southern states became much more difficult for their party. Palestinian Americans and their allies now face a similar situation. Democrats will continue to ignore the genocide in Gaza unless there are real political consequences to their actions. While Donald Trump would be a significantly worse candidate, the logic of a two-party system requires that they be willing to risk a worse political situation if they are to hold any political power at all.

          Civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King are regarded as heroes today, but at the time, they were reviled by both Democrats and Republicans as a force of chaos that acted out of ignorance of the political system. If LBJ had lost the election to Goldwater, perhaps their legacy would be considered differently. But it would not change the fact that the cause they were fighting for was just, and they were able to wield political power in a system that was designed to marginalize them.

      • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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        3 months ago

        Whether you vote or not isn’t important to me as long as whoever gets elected, you continue to fight for a better world via direct action.

        If Trump gets elected, you may start getting shot for fighting for a better world via direct action. Or for many other things.

        The Democrats created this situation,

        100% true

        and they deserve to face consequences for it.

        Along with millions or potentially billions of others, who didn’t do anything wrong?

        • Five@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
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          3 months ago

          If Trump gets elected, you may start getting shot for fighting for a better world via direct action. Or for many other things.

          I’m OP; I posted the list. Yeah, I know. We’re already dodging tear-gas canisters fired at head-level, I expect bullets next.

          • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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            3 months ago

            So you know that Trump has plans to start shooting protestors on purpose with live ammunition, but you also think that whether you vote or not isn’t important? Not just “accidentally” crush some eyes or testicles or skulls from time to time, but just outright gun people down en masse, and you’re okay with not doing anything to stop that escalation until the Democrats clear your bar for goodness?

            (Actually, more accurately, he has plans to remove the things that stopped the order from getting carried out, when last time he said he wanted them to shoot protestors with live ammunition.)

            I’m not trying to be rude about it or harp on this one thing when we seem like we should be allies, but your viewpoint on that sounds shockingly naive. You also didn’t answer my question. If you (or I) are one of the people getting shot, a year from now, because you want to organize for a better world, will you in your words deserve to face those consequences?

            • Five@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
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              3 months ago

              I’ve written in another thread about why someone who thinks Donald Trump is significantly worse than Joe Biden would still choose not to vote for Joe.

              • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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                3 months ago

                This part doesn’t seem totally crazy to me. Actually, Ralph Nader, who has quite a history of getting good outcomes to pop out of the pig’s ear (to put it pretty fuckin charitably) that is Washington, expressed his anger and frustration with people who were seeing injustices like Gaza and not doing anything to threaten the Democrats into better behavior about it. Like I say, not totally crazy.

                I feel like the needed additional part for that, though, is some concrete action to induce the change you are aiming for from the Democrats. That’s the part that the civil rights movements had. If you’re just saying “not good enough yet” as a general thing, and encouraging others to do the same, then I think that ramps up the unlikeliness of it producing any good policies, and also ramps up significantly the likeliness of it producing death camps instead.

                Not saying you’re doing that; I haven’t gone back and taken any kind of deep dive. But I’ve been conversing with you and I haven’t happened to run across anything that stuck out that looked like “I don’t want to vote for the Democrats unless X Y Z and you shouldn’t either.”

  • Wild_Mastic@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    As a non american, is this funking real? Not a shitpost? Holy shit the more i read, the worse it becomes. Wtf.

        • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I find it amusing that you’re being downvoted by people who likely also claim ACAB and want to “defund the police”, since DHS and FBI are federal law enforcement, aka federal police.

          • Leg@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            3 months ago

            I didn’t downvote, but the optics are very different on those groups. Jane and John Smith are much more likely to have a terrible experience with local police than federal police. I would like to think they operate under different standards, but I admittedly know very little about how the FBI functions.

        • Freefall@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Sorry FBI is useful. DHS is tedious, but it would just get rolled into another agency if it shuttered.