Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.
Edit: pls do not downvote the comments this is a constructive discussion
Edit2: IP= intellectal property
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Religious people who push their fake shit on you.
Can you just NOT!
If I wanted an imaginary friend WTF makes you think I’d pick your asshole POS of a god?
That was rhetorical.
Religions that seek to dismantle secular democracies should be persecuted, otherwise we’re just ending up with a different take on “tolerating the intolerant”, and end up like the USA, Hungary, Poland, Russia, et cetera.
Religious freedom should stop at wanting to dismantle secular democracy, just like we don’t allow murderous cults, we should also not allow anti-democratic ones.
Not disagreeing with you, but isn’t your theory why we have nuclear bombs now?
Your feelings are not facts.
Being offended, doesn’t mean you’re in the right and the other person is in the wrong.
Just because your religion says something (or claims it does), doesn’t put you in the right.
Buy local goods, even is it cost more… most people will go for cheapest price, even if you’re handing your money to warlords and human trafficking… same argument every time “There will always be <insert sicko>”.
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Can you explain what IP is? Abbreviations don’t mean anything if you don’t know it.
Intellectual property I think.
intellectual property: copyright, patents, trademarks, etc.
Ah gotcha thanks for clarifying
no problem, there’s like 2 or 3 very common different usages of IP anyways
That capitalism is good. There is no economic system more efficient at progress
It’s government that’s the failure. It’s Governments responsibility to shape the markets so capitalism benefits society and they have failed miserably
Any debt or due you owe needs to be paid back unless you were forced physically to sign the contract. I’m just waiting for advocates of debts forgiveness. If you don’t like variable interest rates, just ask for the fixed one… They’re more expensive but they’re fixed
Killing yourself is ok. You don’t know what it’s like to be them and be in their head.
I’ll never do it. Even in darkest depths, but respect anyone’s right to say peace out.
- The illusion that we are “rational” has done more damage than good, and if we were to just embrace that emotions are not just real, but a stronger influence on people’s behaviour (and therefore reality) than any facts, we might start getting somewhere as a species.
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and the highest thing someone can aspire to be is a parent
Be a good parent.
Far too many out there are shit, or at best mediocre parents.
If you’re going to say the church, the school, the neighbors, other family members, anyone else is who should raise your kids, you should aspire for a vasectomy.
If you aspire to just pump out kids for a number game, you missed the Dark Ages. Though a Mennonite community may be your thing.
antinatalism is gross but I don’t think the highest aspiration is parenthood
Have kids, find out. Spoiler, it is, for most people.
Sorry but the language here alienates those who cannot have kids. you can speak for youself just fine but the response as stated was gross. ugh you’re gonna fuckin reply to me again aren’t you. i really dont want to continue with this discussion, please, as a personal favor
lemmy needs a fucking disable inbox replies option. i dont want to block anyone and i feel the need to point out this perspective but i really hate getting msgs like these on this particular subject days later
antinatalism is gross
Why so?
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Well obviously if you’re fully antinatalist you’re basically working towards human extinction.
But I think that a healthy society includes a few child-free people. In fact, as someone without kids, I’d happily pay a much higher tax rate so that parents can stay home with their kids. I doubt I’d be a good parent anyways, and so I’d prefer to contribute to society in ways people with families can’t.
But I think that a healthy society includes a few child-free people.
Regardless of one’s views on antinatalism, we absolutely need to acknowledge that not everyone is suitable for parenthood. I’m not suggesting that we (as a society) impose restrictions on it. Rather if someone self-selects for not having kids, people need to STFU and accept it rather than trying to shame or pressure them.
Thank you. I did not have kids for a number of reasons, and I can assure you the world would not be a better place if I had. But I do always enjoy people telling me my life is pointless, haha
On, that’s easy to address. You don’t need to have kids as long as you’re improving society so that other people’s kids thrive.
Now we’re inclusive of the infertile and accomplish the same goal.
But I also agree, fucking is the best
I agreed with this up until the ‘and’.
imo u don’t necessarily have to be a parent, you can be a parental figure to a younger person, be a good role model and teach them well
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Just having a child is not enough, parents also need to be helping to make the world a better place.
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Because I don’t think there’s a point to living without reproduction.
So the meaning of life is … the continuation of life? Or to put it another way, life is the meaning of life. That seems rather tautological.
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This doesn’t help your argument.
There’s no point in living at all. Reproduction doesn’t change that.
There’s all sorts of types of reproduction.
Take the reproduction of knowledge, for example. Say you have a person who never had kids, but dedicated their life’s work to something like Project Gutenberg. They’ve ensured art and writing and understanding is reproduced for generations to come. Is that pointless?
I don’t think life is ‘less pointless’ if you procreate. It’s both very pointless, except for personal fulfilment. What should it matter if you follow a path that evolution laid out before you. With consciousness, there is no more reason to consider that path in my eyes, just do what feels right.
If the pinnacle of your life is cumming in a woman you need you do some soul searching.
Say it with me: everyone on the Internet is a BOY
The internet, where:
- The men are men
- The women are men
- The children are FBI agents
So, you’ve internalized life’s universal purpose as your own. It’s not necessary or even noble. Life will take care of itself.
So you believe that every person on the planet should be a parent? Is 7 billion people not enough for you?
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So Nikola Tesla’s life of scientific research was pointless?
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Huh. So you enjoy being a mindless husk with the sole purpose of breeding the next generation.
I’m sorry you’ve been traumatized so much by life that you’ve given up on yourself as a person.
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There’s opinion, and there is just pure stupidity.
I’m not sure why you think I’m offended. But I feel you’re still hurting and perceive this as an attack, so I apologize to you.
It’s fine to give up. Take your time and try to heal. Even if you don’t find value in your own life, raising your children is still very much meaningful as you say.
It’s not the opinion so much as the perceived judgement. No one would bat an eye if your opinion was simply that you couldn’t see your life having any meaning without kids. But you go on further to say that you don’t see how the lives of people choosing not to have kids has any meaning. Consider one of those families with more than a dozen kids looking down on you for not having enough kids. Saying they don’t understand how your life has any meaning when you could still be having babies.
I get this is an opinion thread, but you dumb.
Its a dumb opinion, but not invalid.
Bringing a person into existence for your own entertainment is the ultimate form of pointless hedonism
Oooeh this is one is gonna piss off a lot of lemmings. This is one of those hard echo chamber topics that haunt Lemmy.
Also don’t mention religion, that will also twist a lot of panties on here
I believe that its pointless to argue this way or that about antinatalism, as we no longer have control of a population encroaching 8 billion. It just becomes a moot point to bash each other on over the internet (which can be said about a multitude of other subjects).
I’m not going to have kids. That’s just what I want. Going extreme on antinatalism or pronatalism is just circling back to telling other people what they should do with their bodies. Everything is just so extreme these days. Its do or die in the eyes of the public, no matter what you do, and its grating.
The debate shows… the next generation it’s OK to have strong feelings both ways?
(initially I was going to make a point that seemed on shaky ground given search engines exist - “not everyone has formed their opinion yet” so for those [young] people, just check out a couple opposing books from the local library and that’s sufficient? Ooooh, what about when they want to debate what they read! Ground feels less shaky!)
Why is it the highest thing someone can aspire to? You don’t think being a Nobel-winning scientist is as important as being a parent?
I think it’s our moral imperative to correct people, namely friends and family, who blatantly regurgitate false information.
Mostly I am referring to US Conservative talking points (or propaganda).
Many people don’t want to start arguments with people they know and prefer to keep the peace or avoid hot topics, but I think letting those kind of falsehoods go unchallenged and letting people only hear assenting opinions is a small part of what got the US into this situation.
To be clear I am not talking about correcting people on every little thing because that would make for an incredibly insufferable person to be around, but intentionally misleading or false information presented as truths.
hunting an fishing when a man needs to feed their family is is fine no matter where you are. A person has a right to survive and eat without being molested by the police and greedy judges… A person with no money is still a person.
How do I sort by Controversial in Summit? All I see is Hot, Top, New, and Old.
There is no utility in punishment. Wanting people who wronged you to suffer isn’t a desire for justice, but a desire for revenge. Dangerous people can be stopped from hurting others without locking them in cages or treating them poorly.
