Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new “king”

  • mm_maybe@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    I guess it’s time to look at self-hosted cloud storage services like NextCloud, OwnCloud, Seafile, CryptPad etc. that can replace Proton Drive, but does anyone have any recommendations for a secure email service to replace Proton Mail? From what I read on r/selfhosted, while you can technically run your own email server, it’s just not worth it.

        • huginn@feddit.it
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          3 months ago

          They’ve been cooperating with law enforcement and handing data to the cops proactively since 2021 dip shit.

          Pay attention.

        • Xamrica@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          3 months ago

          I wouldn’t call it “writing on the wall,” but they have done some not-so-good things over the last few years:

          1. Handing over data for their email services (which was legally required) (ref).
          2. Releasing a Bitcoin wallet. The problem for me is that Bitcoin is inherently not private.
          3. Lying in marketing. Proton claims “no data or speed limits” for their free VPN (ref), which is just plain wrong. If you download a few gigs, it will slow you down to a few Mbit (if I remember correctly). I even contacted their support about this, and they just said, “They are balancing the servers for the free VPN.” But then why was it fast in the beginning, and if I reconnected to the same server, would it be fast again. Just to be clear: I have no problem with the speed limit/balancing itself, just that they are lying about it.
          4. Proton incentivizing free email accounts to connect to a Gmail account to get 500 MB more storage. (You need to go through the “tutorial” steps to get the 500 MB extra, and one of them is to have a Google Mail account send all their emails to your new Proton inbox.)

          This is why I personally decided against Proton.

          • s38b35M5@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            These are useful data for making decisions about using their service, but not exactly indicative of support for a right wing authoritarian leader who lies more in one day than he had hairs on his entire body.

            • Xamrica@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              3 months ago

              Mostly true, that’s why I opened with “I wouldn’t call it writing on the wall.” But for me, it shows that they are not as privacy- and consumer-focused as they like to present themselves. Supporting Trump is just five steps further in this direction. (That’s just how I feel about it.)

              • s38b35M5@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                3 months ago

                that’s why I opened with “I wouldn’t call it writing on the wall.”

                Damn; you’re right. My bad. I somehow missed your opener saying exactly the opposite of what you were saying.

                Everything you said is true and verifiable, and worth considering when you decide which service to use. It’s a lot of reasons to favor the .onion/tor version of their service to limit what they have access to depending on your privacy stance.

            • Xamrica@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              3 months ago

              Drive - Selfhosted Nextcloud

              Email - Posteo/Tuta

              VPN - Cryptostorm (IVPN/Mullvad are more user friendly)

              Passwords - Keepass (Sync over my Nextcloud.)

          • sudneo@lemm.ee
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            3 months ago

            1,2 and 3 are completely irrelevant. 1 is completely normal, 2 missed the point that the wallet (which I don’t use, I never owned crypto) has nothing to do with privacy and 4 is an optional marketing strategy to incentivise migration from google. Nothing is wrong with any of this.

          • jaybone@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            This is interesting. I’m current using btguard, but was thinking about other vpn providers. I have a free protonmail email account and was wondering about their vpn service. Sounds like they are not so privacy oriented. And I assume NordVPN is a similar story?

            • Xamrica@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              3 months ago

              Well, I’d say Proton is still better than most other options (open-source software, no ad trackers on the website and in apps). However, specifically for VPNs, I would recommend Mullvad or IVPN. If you are a bit more tech-savvy, you may also take a look at Cryptostorm. Of all three, only Mullvad is police-raid-proven to not store logs or other PII. The most important thing for me personally would be that the VPN company is not owned by a larger parent company, which in turn owns multiple different VPN providers. This alone excludes a lot of the heavily advertised providers (Private Internet Access, NordVPN, Surfshark, ExpressVPN, CyberGhost, OVPN, and probably a few more).

          • frozenspinach@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Woah… an actually rock-solid account of problems with Proton! Nicely done.

            This contrasts with the incoherent conspiracy theory spaghetti that has sometimes been trotted out to make the case against them.

    • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      And then we have the communists making Lemmy. Is there any moderate developers lol. Valve is the only big company I can think of that isn’t annoying. All the faceless Linux devs are good too

      • Rhaedas@fedia.io
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        3 months ago

        Give some credit. Even if they aren’t politically aligned with your, they did make Lemmy open source for others to run with.

        • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          I have a bigger fear of what happens to Linux when Torvalds retires. He took a break a while back, and it was an absolute shit show of a power struggle.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        3 months ago

        If it’s between fascism and communism, the answer is pretty fucking simple imo. Only one of those ideologies considers all people to be equal.

        And no, I am not a communist, and I would not choose communism unless it was the only alternative to fascism.

        • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee
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          3 months ago

          Totally understand what you’re saying. Obviously I am on Lemmy. Just wish we didn’t have ideologies in our face all the time

      • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
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        3 months ago

        Glances at the child gambling enabled by the steam marketplace, an issue being blatantly ignored by Valve leadership.

        Buddy, I don’t know how to tell you this. I love Valve for all the good they do, but they got some serious skeletons, too.

        Valve representatives were asked point blank if the third party gambling sites have a positive influence on their bottom line, and the dude replying sweated bullets for several seconds before nervously going “we… don’t have any data on that” while the rest stared daggers at him.

        Coffeezilla has a recent video on the situation.

        • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee
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          3 months ago

          lol got downvote bombed for desiring normal. Fucking Lemmy man. Honestly don’t know why I even use this platform anymore.

  • ahal@lemmy.ca
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    3 months ago

    I’m not going to switch away from them just yet… But I am going to start using an address with my own domain. My only regret is not doing this from the beginning.

  • 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Proton Mail > Mail-In-A-Box

    Proton Calender > Mail-In-A-Box

    Proton Drive > Mail-In-A-Box

    Proton VPN > Mullvad VPN

    Proton Pass > Bitwarden/KeePass+Mail-In-A-Box

    Proton Wallet > Stick with your cryptos base wallet app. Never give your keys to any service.

  • anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 months ago

    If you think any anti trust shit is happening to any company who gave trump a million dollars, I have a used car I would like to sell you.

  • 7112@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Sad. The way tech companies are changing stripes, we are about to hit a surveillance state by summer

    • Hubi@feddit.org
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      3 months ago

      The US are a surveillance state already. But I guess it could get even worse.

      • darthelmet@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        It’s like everyone forgot about the Patriot Act and NSA stuff. This shit has been going on through at least 4 different presidents. And that’s just the modern surveillance state.

    • bazingabot@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Clearly unpredictable times with a guilty criminal as president who clearly has dictatorial/fascist tendencies…so the only option, get all slimey to still get a piece of the cake in the future

    • DavidGarcia@feddit.nl
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      3 months ago

      I don’t understand how everyone can be so blind to the surveillance that already exists.

      Literally all your communications or purchase or browsing history, 90% of people’s photos and contacts, everything you ever say near your phone/smart devices, your health data with devices like fitbit, cm resolution spy satelites, 4D maps of the entire globe being created via services like Pokemon Go, phones create and store in the cloud high resolution 3D maps of your face, mesh networked devices like Alexa now surveil without you even having internet access, your home and your exact location down to a meter are already being live spied on. Not to mention full remote access to all your devices.

      Sometimes with a thin veneer of privacy on top of it, like Apple pretends to have.

      Basically the only part of you that the surveillance state doesn’t constantly surveil already is your butthole.

      Even avoiding just 10% of this surveillance in your daily life is almost impossible.

  • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Any good alternative to proton services? For mail I have tuta so far, but they cover only that part and the webmail UX in tuta is actually worse for the free tier.

    • gaael@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      I’ve been using Infomaniak for the past two years, and I’m mainly happy about it (drive and online docs editor have been working really well, idk about the webmail cause I use Thunderbird).

  • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Oh damn. I was hoping proton had another good 20 years before some limp-dick ceo started with this shit.

    I guess that makes tuta the company to beat?