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Doesn’t matter if they’re “made up”.
The conditions that precipitated those words have always existed. The resistance to creating the terms doesn’t make the conditions not exist, it just means that the disagreeable person can justify to themselves that they don’t have to acknowledge them if they can avoid the words.
IOW, terms can help legitimize. They don’t want the conditions legitimized so they don’t have to acknowledge them.
i mean, technically every word is made up
And then they get real snippy when you say “all words are made up.”
I mean it is an obnoxious thing to say lol
Agreed, one of those “technically correct but deliberately missing the point” statements. Not sure why you’re so heavily downvoted so I want to explain why I support your statement.
The original statement doesn’t suggest they fail to understand words are constructed for sharing meaning, it asserts that the statements don’t communicate anything useful because the speaker made them up.
The statement is wrong, it needs a response, but “all words are made up” is not a useful response. It’s technically correct but fails to meet the speaker halfway by understanding their position and building towards it. See also: “all lives matter.” Technically correct but not useful, and deliberately avoids trying to understand the speaker’s position.
Yeah that basically sums it up. Whatever it’s all magic internet points lol
Someone making the “made up words” argument in the first place doesn’t deserve to be met in the middle. By doing so gives them merit.
Yet 100% true. And a cromulent response.
An obnoxious response to an obnoxious statement
Did we not learn “two wrongs don’t make a right” in kindergarten or something?
Did it ever hold true?
There are cases where it does hold. Trivially, if the wrongs are vastly out of proportion, someone is overreacting. For example, if you’re fixated on your phone, don’t look where you’re going and bump into me, that’s a mild wrong. If I respond by slapping the phone out of your hands and stomping on it, I’ve caused way more damage to you in retaliation.
But in the case at hand, I’m with you: An obnoxious statement designed to invalidate someone’s complaint countered by another obnoxious statement designed to invalidate the previous one, thus defending the original complaint, is perfectly acceptable. The point isn’t just obnoxion, but a counterargument.
Yes literally always? Doing something wrong because someone does something wrong doesn’t make your wrong action morally right. They don’t cancel into a positive.
We can understand why people do wrong things, been be sympathetic, but it doesn’t make the action good.
All words are made up. That is a true statement, not ‘a wrong’ thing to say.
Just because it wasn’t polite doesn’t mean it’s wrong. You’re putting morals on how to correct people on a subject you don’t fully understand yourself.
Oh please are you seriously pretending that was meant to be informative? It was 100% snark and meant to be retaliatory. Don’t play dumb to score magic internet points. You’re not dumb. I know you aren’t.
And the thing it’s a response to isnt?
Both are. The first is obviously worse of course lol. Man didn’t realize this would upset so many people. Clearly the first person is worse. The response is also just kind of snarky and annoying.
Which is the point of it. Be a jerk, get a snarky and true response.
Just call them on their shit in a real way. Why play in the mud with a pig? Point out they simply aren’t learned enough, that’s plenty lol
How is telling someone that all words are made up, not just the ones they are angry about, not calling them on their shit in a real way? In cuts straight to the point and is undeniably factual. It can turn to more conversation on the topic if it’s worth the effort. As science progresses, people make up words to explain new discoveries, so all words are made up.
Treating someone like a child that’s acting like a child is how to deal with children.
I know you know the answer to this but yall are having too much fun dogpiling as you play dumb, so go ahead and enjoy yourself 👍
What do you think that response does?
More substantive than the alternative
The response is also just kind of snarky and annoying.
That’s the point. Pretend that my problems don’t exist? Get your bullshit thrown back at you.
As I said in another comment that’s just rolling in the mud with pigs. Hit them back with information or if you want to be petty but not the same, just make it a point to call out their ignorance.
Normally I’m all about education, but I know a lost cause when I see one. A person like that probably won’t be persuaded by information. By telling them that all words are made up, you’d be applying the snark you consider fine.
Without additional explanation its dumb yeah. “All words are made up, these ones were simply made up after you stopped being interested in learning about anything new in the world.”
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Being a boomer is a mindset, not an age. It’s just more noticable in the baby boomer population.
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Lol, sure thing, buddy
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Is this like those “two truths and a lie” things and one of the terms really is made up?
No, all of these things are fairly common in neurodivergent people.
I can kind of guess what each of these things are by their component words but I’d rather be educated than just assuming things, could you maybe give some cliffnotes?
Basically, it’s all about different ways in which neurodivergent people struggle with stronger and/or less controllable emotions. Justice sensitivity for example can be viewed as an overly extreme reaction and connection to distant injustice.
It might be a reasonable response if it was deeply personal, but that response is extended to all injustice that they learn about. Keep in mind that all of these things exist on a spectrum, so I’m only giving an extreme example to make it understandable.
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Time blindness is just an excuse for people who refuse to look at a damn clock once in a while and don’t give a shit about the people they affect by this disrespect.
Accurate clocks were only widely available and relevant to anyone following the growth of railroads less than 200 years ago.
And YOU apparently think all humanity evolved an equal sensitivity to the passage of it, and that everyone else should be in just as much of a damn hurry as you.
Not wanting my time wasted waiting for someone who can’t be bother to think about how their lateness affects others, doesn’t mean I’m in a hurry.
Ok, doesn’t change the fact that clocks weren’t available to the layman until a couple centuries ago.
We did not evolve to be sensitive to the passage of time.
It’s a thing whether you like it or not. Your preference for punctuality is a learned behavior, not something that everyone else has.
It’s a skill which can be practiced. Making excuses to avoid doing that doesn’t help anyone.
Imagine being colorblind and someone trying to explain what purple looks like. Seeing purple is not a skill, either you have the receptors in your eyes or your don’t. The ability to sense time is similar. It is not a skill.
Damn, I used to believe that because I could do something it was possible if not easy for everybody else to do that thing. I’m ashamed to admit that I felt that way well into my thirties.
Then (way, way too late in my life) I somehow realized that not everyone was the same as I am, and I learned a little thing called empathy.
Yes, and it’s a skill that not everyone else values the way you do. It doesn’t make you better than anyone. It probably increases your stress level.
That’s funny, because every time I’ve been in a group effort at uni or the office, the late folks were the neurotypicals while those with ADHD showed up early.
Which is a polite way of saying, you’re full of shit, a fucking atrocious human being, and you statistically make less money than me who has a literal disability 👍
Edit: and of course it’s a lemm.ee fascist. Typical.
while those with ADHD showed up early
I go where the phone reminders command.
All words are made up, boomer.
Exactly why I say this all the time now. Thank you, Archer.
My parents (slightly too old to be boomers) heard that my nephew was diagnosed with ADHD and seem to get it - “I suppose they didn’t know about it to diagnose you with back in our day”. My dad’s blatantly undiagnosed Autistic too.
I’m an elder millennial, practically an x-er, so its my first time seeing some of these terms.
Some of this stuff, like time blindness, yeah I get that and am medicated for it. Hours just fall off for me. Rejection sensitive dysphoria? Yeah that’s another one I’ve identified in myself and others but didn’t know the term for. I can’t say I have it all the time but sometimes it can feel quite acute.
But justice sensitivity? Like, what does it even mean to be NT? It’s just going along and not giving a shit about anything except what is immediately in front of you? Is this why I feel like I don’t relate to a lot of people?do people just like not change in a conscious way, or even think? *Why does the concept of justice even exist if it is only important to a minority of non NT people? I find this incredibly strange. And I say this as someone who probably is justice sensitive, so much so that politics is a big part of my life, but then most of my friends and non-work relations are as well.
For me, it’s that we were told that we live in a society with rules, but then people with money and power routinely break those rules. It’s incredibly frustrating and confusing trying to understand and navigate multiple rule systems when only one system is written down, but the unwritten one is being followed.
It makes me irate seeing people lie just enough to steal money from those around them, but not enough to go to jail. Most NT people don’t have the time/energy to care, but it’s like a hot poker in my side knowing that someone is “breaking the rules” and getting away with it.
My wife is very rule oriented, she likes to understand what her place is, and make sure she is living up to the explicit and implicit (with a limit only of her vivid imagination) tasks in order to fulfill her role.
I am much more chaotic and didn’t give a fuck about rules for a long time because its all external and alienated. But as I’ve gotten older, I’ve developed an ethics, not morality, that if anything is much stricter than what is “necessary.” But my own ethics have, to the best of my ability, good reasonable justifications, with a high standard for logical consistency and self growth and actualization, whereas I still see those externalized rules, especially the ones that seem to undergird the logic of private property, oppression, imperialism, patriarchy, racism; to still be external and alienating, if not just corrosive to the human spirit.
My ethics compel me to.do things that others wouldn’t dare, their morality compels them to do things that I can’t even comprehend. Its like no matter what the rules are, I’ll always find damn good reasons to be feisty. This of course plays beautifully into my afore mentioned rejection dysphoria which isn’t chronic but still acute; and comes on strong in moments of self assessment of just these dynamics.
Its almost like people are impossibly complicated, but maybe that’s just me
“We didn’t use to have mental issues back then. We had a lot of people drinking themselves to death and stuff but I fail to see any relation here.”
"Back in my day, we didn’t need no ‘feel-good pills’ and no psychiatrists.
No, we just bled out in the bath, and god-dammit, we liked it."
-Will Wood, Marsha, thankk you for the dialectics, but I need you to leave
When you’re growing up and most of your (and your cousins’) birthday parties are keggers because it’s nice out and the adults want to party… and it was a common occurrence to wake up on the weekend to have one or more people you may or may not know passed out in the living room… and you have to clear space on the kitchen table to eat breakfast without knocking over any cans, bottles, or ashtrays.
And then you’re older and find out about the other drugs that were being abused by various adults. And eventually siblings and cousins. And you think “man I’m glad I’m not like that.”
And then you’re yet older, at the end of your rope, learning to recognize your own mental illnesses, and seeing those indicators in others.
And then you’re even older and those adults start dying in their 50s and 60s, and some of the other adults are finally being self-reflective and open about what they were dealing with internally and it’s like a game of bingo and your card keeps “winning.”
I went back to my mother
I said I’m crazy ma, help me
She said, I know how it feels son
Cause it runs in the family- The Who, The Real Me
And then you realize that the years the drugs and alcohol took off of their lives still applies to you, just in the form of chronic stress, anxiety, and depression. And, somehow, you feel some relief. You understand why they turned to substances. And so you sit through the funerals, listen to people say “it was too soon,” and say your goodbyes, knowing it won’t be long until next time. You know that one day it will be your turn. But in the meantime, there’s a hamster wheel that needs to spin because line go up. This is life. This is death. This is existence.
Tick tock.
Those are WoKe words!
I am in this picture and I don’t like it.
