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Thanks y’all.
Where’s my fellow "yo’d’ll"s at
Your what now
Oh…you know 😏
I’m from Australia and I’ve started calling all groups of people yall because it’s gender neutral… very unaustralian term, and I love so much the irony of iconic southern terms being used to support trans activism
Why bother with importing y’all when we already have yous (or youse depending on how you want to spell it)? Or you could just treat ‘you guys’ as gender neutral, it effectively is these days with how people use it.
Do we have yous/youse? According to my understanding that’s technically not a real word yet, it’s slang.
I feel like y’all is the newer American version of 2nd person plural, while yous/youse/yinz are the non-American English counterparts.
I have always used you guys in a gender neutral manner historically, but people occasionally got offended by that. So I started using y’all several years ago and it’s been going pretty good. Although I did initially spell it like ya’ll until someone corrected me on reddit 😅
As an Australian, why bother importing “y’all” when everyone is already “mate”?
I was going to say something similar, but thinking everyone is “cunt”.
Yes, it’s gender neutral.
Too right, mate.
Youse is too damn bogan for my taste
Fair enough, it does have associations there. Pretty sure I’d toss y’all in the same basket though if I heard anyone trying to make it a thing though…
absolutely this
youse and torlet
A lot of trans femmes myself included cannot see ‘guys’ as gender neutral no matter how hard we try and so do not like it.
I have regularly called groups of females “you guys” since childhood. It’s extremely neutral in a lot of the country.
Okay, but not everybody is going to be comfortable with it and so are you saying you would not change your speech for them?
Also which country?
The US. And yes, I will continue to use the phrase “you guys” because it’s a phrase that means “you people”. I can’t anticipate every illogical thing that will offend people. If someone called me out on it in person I would try not to use the phrase to address them specifically but I would also think they were being very silly.
It always confuses me when people say ‘offend’ people, because usually it is not offense they feel etc.
Well, that’s not a very fair way of treating/thinking of people, some people are going to be hurt or upset by certain things and it’s better to understand that we all have emotions and they are not pointless just because you see no value in them i.e. ‘illogical’. It’s better to work together and find ways of communicating that aren’t genuinely hurtful ioo.
People who claim “guys” is gender neutral would most often only count men when asked the question “How many guys did you sleep with in your life?”
Until I find a single person who immediately thinks of people of any gender at that question, I will not fall for the internalized misogyny of “‘guys’ is gender neutral” meme. (Same with “dudes” and all the other ones I’ve seen over the years. I’ve even seen someone say “bro” is gender neutral.)
That’s rough. That said as a trans woman (no idea what a trans-femme is) I don’t see a problem with it in the context of “you guys”.
I use “dude” as a general exclamation towards my own also-trans gf sometimes even. Really y’all oughta chill on the language policing. If you pass people will treat you like the gender you look like, if you don’t, they won’t really, no matter how much they try, and your main issue is not passing and thus money which can fix that, not other people and their language use.
A trans femme is someone who is often taking estrogen etc, it can refer to trans women as well but also referes to those who don’t completely identify or at all as a woman, see nonbinary folks for example. It’s kind of a catch all term.
Who said anything bout language policing? I was merely saying for myself. I think passing is a pojntless binary concept and not even all cis women ‘pass’. So I’m not all that interested in passing 100%, just being happy to be me.
Oof. Passing is an archaic concept, just use the language for people that doesn’t make them feel uncomfortable.
I’m German and I use y’all all the time when speaking English. it’s funny, most of my English is from the internet so it’s the most crazy mix of english
I would have thought that “y’all” is even more so gender neutral and therefore less offensive/more accepted. It’s a contraction of “you all” right?
Y’all has become my goto nowadays, up in the northeast
The y’all zone is all zones apparently.
Honestly it’s just so useful. It should be the default.
I picked it up when I lived in Houston, but when I was bartending and stuff after returning to my home state, I’d use it heavily.
Interestingly, though, it made people think I was from another country entirely? Because in absolutely no other way do I sound even remotely southern. (I do use various non-American slang, but not with strangers) Was always a blast to have someone ask where I was from, and try to get them to pinpoint why they didn’t think I was local, when I was born 15 minutes from where the conversation was taking place :p
Yeah, I’m in the “you guys” zone and I say y’all, it’s always better received.
Is guys really needed after youse?
The guys is needed where there’s no 2.pl pronoun to distinguish from individual you, but youse fixes that
as a trans person, I’m not offended by y’all in the slightest
This statement has strong Bilbo " I like less than half of you as well as you deserve" energy
(No hate, it just struck me as funny)
I lowkey always found that to be a southern type of insult, I could hear Steve Spurrier saying it
Yous in Scotland is great to wind up Proper English speakers. If they whinge they get a y’all
This needs a line going up the Appalachians for the “You-uns” belt.
And somewhere there’s “yinz”.
I was just about to point out that the map is missing a small “yinz” enclave around Pittsburgh/Johnstown
Ok three people have spelled it ,“yinz” here now, is that a thing?
Yep! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinz
And people who use the term are yinzers
I can’t speak for anyone else, but you seem to be missing the biggest issue with this map: saying “you guys” excludes anyone but those identifying as male. You may not mean it that way, but I’ve had women be offended when I used that in the past, and I wouldn’t like being referred to as a “gal” in a group of women. It’s just not accurate.
Personally, for a gender-neutral way of addressing a group, I like “you folks”.
☝️🤓 - HR sounding ass
☝️🤓 - ignoring the impact of inherently masculine gendered language on non-men sounding ass
Sincerely, a trans woman
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And which minority group do you belong to that makes you an expert on their issues?
Alternate reply: oh no my feewings you win
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So like, just because you ‘studied’ linguistics you think that makes you an expert on how language should always be used or that people should not feel a certain way about language just because you say so?
That’s not exactly a compelling argument.
Language is always going to carry certain meanings for some folks and we do a disservice to people by ignoring that, we all have our own personal lexicons/semantic meanings to a degree and that will likely never change, we do best by understanding this and working together to understand and accept when certain language can be hurtful and thus find ways of talking that do work for each other.
I feel that’s a better way of being than talking down to someone like you just did and telling them that how they feel about it doesn’t matter and they should just get with the program, which is never going to work.
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Empathy and caring how others want to be referred to is HR?? Lol, wild…
Kamala lost. The idpol of kinder language is a trashfire and a failure because the assumption that “empathy” is a shared quality among humanity is wrong and “bloodlust” is actually far more common, while complete ignorance and anti-intellectualism and accusations of “overthinking” prevail over both as you can see in the programming.dev techbro below.
Talking about how language influences views of marginalized or minority groups is useless when most people can barely even read more than a paragraph without bitching because they never developed reading stamina.
As for those who make these conversations necessary in the first place - they will always use the meanest word they can and all this has done is fed fuel to reactionaries.
There are far more important real fights to fight, like access to HRT and surgeries for people suffering from gender dysphoria - a crippling disorder, before you metropolitan libs start going on about “trans-femmes” and “masculine gendered language”
Wow, the award for quickest turnaround for proving the point goes to…
What?
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Y’all = you all, which is gender neutral.
Also that map is missing the Chicagoland y’all exclave.
Yall is the genderless southern hospitality greeting.
No bullshit no hate. Only yall
I’ve used y’all intentionally as a gender neutral term for years in the south.
Lately I’ve even seen “y’all means all” used as a pride slogan in the south.
Awesome! Thanks comrade.
ITT: Yinzers
Only if you man in it a “you people” kind of way - like y’all need to stay with your own kind- or something like that.
I’m on the border of y’all and you guys
Your comment gives me the urge to create other maps you can comment on so that I can triangulate your position.
I am open to the opportunity
“y’all” fills a legitimately useful gap the English language has. Other languages have a word like this.
Not a gap in every dialect! “Ye” is another plural second person used in Ireland
Hear y’all hear y’all, Reggie King from o’er the holler brought pawpaw moonshine for the weddin’
And youse in Dublin.
Any examples of an equivalent in other languages?
I speak a small amount of French but can’t think of one
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“Vous” is the first one that comes to mind in french. But since it is also a more formal (and/or “respectful”) version of “tu/toi”, it can both designate a group of people or a single person, depending on the context (just like “you” in English). Sometimes people will use “vous tous” (literally “you all”) to make this clear.
It is a little better than the “you” situation in English since if you are speaking with someone that is not using the singular form of “vous” to speak about you (which is basically anyone you are familiar with unless they are your boss or In-laws and kind of oldschool), it is instantly clear what they mean at least.
Spanish has “Ustedes” (except in Spain, they use “Vosotros/Vosotras”)
The worst is when a language formally has a disambiguating word but then speakers all just decide to not use it.
I’m from New Jersey and have never heard anyone unironically say “youse guys”. Side note we also don’t call it “Joisey”.
I always thought youse guys was a new york city thing.
