No matter who wins it won’t be our last election. I do know that the next one will definitely be the most important election of our lifetime though.
Always will be.
“More now than EVER”
– Every political ad til the end of time.
Lol good bet
Don’t worry. Either way, there will still be elections. The real question is whether we start to see candidates “accidentally” falling out of windows or drinking poisoned tea, etc.
Well they better be careful how far they push it, or else the super PAC leaders, the thinktanks, and the 1% are going to start dieing in interesting ways.
The press has already walked back at the threat of Trump, so the autocracy has already begun. It’s happening, pre election.
“Walked back at the threat of trump”, can you explain what you mean by this a little more? Sorry I’m just not sure what it means.
He’s probably talking about the media capitalulating to the Trump campaign by agreeing not to fact check during the Vance/Walz debate. And most recently, the WSJ blocking the Harris endorsement. I.e. a lot of the very rich and powerful people seem to be acting like an authoritarian Trump administration is inevitable, and they’re trying to avoid his wrath or position themselves to be favored oligarchs.
This terrifies me.
Right there with you.
Man I left reddit to get away from the fear mongering like this, and yet here you are.
Both parties benefit from the current system, therefore they both want to keep things the way they are.
The system works.
If you don’t like the current state of things, it’s not the system that needs changing, it’s the people involved in it.
Sounds like you should go back to reddit, Capt. Both Sides.
If you think any politician cares about you, you really need to come back to reality.
Everyone knows capital-first politicians don’t actually care about us. We get it.
I’m all 'bout that fancy praxis and mutual aid and all those lofty but pure concepts we definitely need to be working on. But we live in a society here.
Not voting right now is giving an out-and-out fascist a ridiculous amount of power to start crushing and punishing anybody with a different opinion.
We’re doing what we can with what we have to soften the blow, so we can actually have the chance to work on the higher concepts like “changing the people involved in it.”
I’d much rather be on the ground convincing people to form unions to safely backtalk their bosses, rather than rallying up guerilla units amidst a “boogaloo” because a bunch of hateful and uneducated people put a screeching orange baby on a throne who refused to leave and became “holy immortal emperor.”
Lmao hyperbole aside. Seriously. Standing on the sidelines and going “hmph” is basically a vote for things that are likely Very Bad For You™.
No. One party benefits maintainig the status quo. The other is willing to burn it all down to gain power.
…and yet they’ve had power before - several times, including once with it being literally this dipshit - and haven’t burned it all down to gain power yet.
But then this election is different, it’s the most important election of our lifetimes, just like the Democrats have said about every other election since at least 2004. Down to the literal phrase “the most important election of our lifetimes.”
The reality is both major parties benefit from the system, and both market based on fear because they don’t have anything positive to offer voters that isn’t an outright lie that the voters know is an outright lie. The big difference is the the GOP markets on fear of the other and the Dems market on fear of the GOP.
You’re not wrong about how they operate.
But there’s absolutely far reaching consequences to major decisions by leaders in power. Don’t fool yourself thinking “It hasn’t burned down yet” just because it’s not a Hollywood societal-collapse movie before your eyes.
Work sucks more than ever for us now. Know why? Long-dead Reagan absolutely destroyed workers’ rights and established precedents that put bosses much higher on society’s totem pole. Recessions happened. People get desperate and forget that they even HAD rights as workers. Clawing this back is the battle of our time at home.
Before that? FDR’s New Deal actually secured quite a bit of prosperity for people amidst a complete disaster. People still benefit from Social Security to this day, even if only a little.
Teddy Roosevelt established the National Park system. Now we’re happy we don’t have luxury apartments in the middle of Yosemite or Yellowstone, or fast food chains all along the Grand Canyon. (Or it hasn’t been used as a landfill or something because the hole was already dug so it saves costs!)
Citizen’s United is why we have trillions of dollars in shadow-money funding “both sides” of a broken system. (Although that wasn’t put up to vote, the people in charge were sworn in by people that were elected.)
TL;DR: I get it. It’s all stupid, we’re all constantly lied to. That’s super lame. We know and we hate it.
BUT:
Votes. Have. Consequences.
I dont recall any recent president or serious canidates claiming to be “dictator for a day” or “use the miltary to go after radical left lunatics” or you know, actually attempted to insurrect and overthrow democracy once and plans on doing it again.
But oh yeah tottally a normal everyday election.
I’ve never stood in like for early voting in the EU. I’ve done it at my supermarket while getting groceries.
Grab a ballot and envelope, enter booth, do the thing, walk to desk, flash id, get crossed off list, watch volunteer put your envelope in another envelope and drop it in the ballot box.
In-and-out, three minutes.
Come to think of it, voting on election day has always been just as smooth. I just have to go to the library or some school, so it’s not as convenient.
I never had to wait for longer than 5 minutes to vote and I never voted early. Mostly because it takes 10 minutes of my time on voting day, which is always a Sunday.
Polling places can’t be further away than 1,5km I believe, so wherever you live, it will be close enough to just walk there.
I have voted in schools, kindergardens, a community center and a church.
It will be the last election in this version of America. The problem is that Trump may legitimately win this election. Voters, a majority, may he causing this.
What then? What if it is the last election in this version of America, and Trump wins legitimately? What does the left do if this happens? How much will you watch the country change? Will you be strong enough in your convictions to resist passification? Mental, and or physical passification, and/or political deactivation?
There will be forces at play trying to make you forget. Move on. Adopt the new normal. Go with it, just for now - because it’s not that bad for you. Will you be strong enough to resist that urging?
What will the future hold under Trump? Who knows. But I do know, this is a terrifying comment to have to write.
I will stock up ammo and be prepared, but I want just sit back and watch it happen. I will fight. I have LGBTQ kids no fucking way will I sit back and let Trumps world become the norm.
To be honest if Trump wins its really going be JD Vance as president. They will remove Trump and Vance will in act Project 2025 on day 1.
I.do hope with the huge turn out that this filps and Harris wins. There was a lot of women in line to vote. I hope a lot of them are secretly voting against their mega husband wishes.
I hope so, really discouraging to see the maga women who just accept it
A gentle reminder that the Socialist Rifle Association is a thing! No personal experience with them, but I like that they’re an underdog foil to your typical “American gun culture” stereotypes.
I should really be more active about this. I don’t have the money to dump a ton of brass on the regular but I enjoy the freedom to do it while keeping my ideals!
Hello, fellow Okie.
I know how this state is going to vote. It’s been a given every year for nearly six decades. But I’m still gonna vote, as I have in every election since I turned 18. Change doesn’t happen if those who want it get discouraged and sit their asses at home.
What has really inspired me this year is the overwhelming majority of Harris-Walz signs in my neighborhood. I stopped counting, but I reckon there are at least thirty of them. I’ve seen a grand total of five Trump-Vance signs, and three of them are at the same house.
Also, you get much rain last night? It was so good to finally hear thunder again. I had six tenths in my rain gauge this morning!
Wow another Okie!
Crazy storms in the Tulsa area for us btw. And probably why I also see Harris Walz signs. We’re about to get a Democrat for a mayor!
I reeeeeeeally envy y’all for that flag. The design is dope.
My house district represented by a Dem so it’s not that surprising to see Harris-Walz signs, but it IS surprising to see so many. As someone who grew up in the butt crack of Jackson County in DEEP Republican territory, it’s just such a breath of fresh air to be able to live around neighbors who aren’t crazy goobers.
What a cool freaking flag.
Feel really old now but is only been since 2011 since Brad Henry was governor.
I’d be very happy just to see Oklahoma actually wait until the polls close to declare the republican presidential win…
I swear every year, they decide it so early I am convinced the electors don’t even care what the vote counts are. There is no fucking way backwards as fuck Oklahoma figured out a way to accurately track and count votes faster than any other state - and voter turnout would need to be so high they know it can’t possibly turn around in the last 2 hours of the polls still being open? Yea right.
Why does it look like your voting location is just a random house? Voting here happens in school buildings or things of that scale usually with at least 20+ booths in parallel.
Or do you just have many locations?
I think the line is just very long and the actual location is the building off in the distance.
Looks like the line is leading into that house to me.
That looks like a community centre entrance to me. Could be wrong :)
This is the local election board office.
Oh okay funny lookin building, thanks for clarifying :)
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So the entertainment begins…
Weird, in my conservative and high income county it took me literally five minutes at the library.
You guys still have a liberry?
Yeah, it’s even got books in it and not just computers.
Sounds like something someone trying to get rid of the books so they can turn a library into a big cybercafe would say.
Did you even look at the post? Does that look like a “big cybercafe” to you?
Libraries are the only place in this country where everything is free and you can stay as long as you want with no one giving you any shit for it as long as you follow some basic rules.
Go look at my post and then come back here and tell me about how things like a free shower and washer/dryer for homeless people, a commercial level kitchen for anyone to use and a tool library where you can take home power tools you need are a bad thing that shouldn’t exist.
No, because Jerboa can’t find the post.
And no, that’s not a library. That’s a community center.
That those have been eradicated is a separate issue from libraries being eliminated as places for readers.
Same. In my conservative and low income county it took me longer to drive to and from the location than it did to actually vote.
sounds like you need some freedumb.
How many machete wielding loons accosted you?
None but took almost an hour to vote. What I was most mad about was that they placed Kamala and Tim 4th on the ballot.
In Oklahoma, the order is actually randomized. Different districts will have the candidates in different orders.
Piece of information I found interesting that may apply to your experience https://youtu.be/_-uJl_Db4Rw?si=pKSj5m0OVvRGLy2W
Who was first?
Someone I never heard of. Mark somebody, then Robert Kennedy, Donald Trump the Harris.
I thought RK bowed out, but he’s still on the ballot? Odd.
He didn’t file the paperwork soon enough in some states, so he’s still on the ballot. He sued at least one state to get himself removed even though he missed the deadline and ballots were already being printed.
The system works as intended
Little bit of advice from Poland. I’ve seen this kind of mindset before.
When liberals tell you losing will mean the end of democracy they exaggerate a lot. People grow tired of fighting with such high stakes so in the long run you just wear them out. Sure, if Trump wins things will suck definitely but it’s not the end of the world. Ultimately biggest political parties serve various oligarchs so once Dems are inevitably back some years from now you’ll notice not much is changing for you personally.
People grow tired of fighting with such high stakes so in the long run you just wear them out
This is true.
Sure, if Trump wins things will suck definitely but it’s not the end of the world. Ultimately biggest political parties serve various oligarchs so once Dems are inevitably back some years from now you’ll notice not much is changing for you personally.
This is where I vehemently disagree. Just because you’re not going to be one of the first ones they target doesn’t mean it’s no big deal. They’re talking about using our local police to round millions of people up and put them in camps, and you’re going to sit there and tell me it’s not the end of the world? Get the fuck out of here.
It’s okay to be tired. Fight anyway. That is what is required to maintain Democracy. Giving in to authoritarianism because it’s easier is a bitch move.
I’m genuinely curious, who is getting rounded up? And who’s going to let that happen?
The president has supreme authority over the executive branch, which includes the military. Trump has explicitly said that he would implement mass deportations, and has called democrats “the enemy within” while in the same breath saying that the national guard could be used to put them in prison.
As for who’s going to let it happen, that would be all of the Trump sychophants that he will be appointing. He learned last time that appointing republicans isn’t enough to let him get away with his batshit crazy ideas, they have to be cult loyalists as well.
I don’t think he should be in charge of anything, but even if he were I can’t imagine there are enough people willing to follow those orders to actually carry them out.
He’s talking about deporting millions of illegal immigrants, which will probably require putting them in a camp at least temporarily.
So the “camps” side of things definitely feels gross, but he’s “threatening” to enforce the law, that’s not wrong. Now if he’s weaponizing the system to deport his opposition or otherwise law abiding citizens, that’s a problem.
He has promised to deport pro-palestine protesters.
Most of whom are born Americans.
You’re not paying attention. The camps are for far more than just the undocumented.
Okay, but legally he can’t do that. No matter how much he wants to. And once again, orders are as only good as the people who are tasked with carrying them out.
It’s worth noting here that the President, as per the supreme Court, is immune from all prosecution if his actions result from the scope of his duties. It would be trivial for Trump to argue that deporting everybody he doesn’t like is within the scope of his duties, whether it’s lawful or not. That’s the unique danger we face right now: a combination of a strong man and a uniquely deferential SCOTUS. It’s never happened in American history.
Sigh people who think a piece of paper with ink scribbles will protect them… 😮💨
Presidents issue orders against the law all the time and they’re carried out. The damage is done before the issue even hits a court room and then you assume that the judge is willing to risk their life to protect your rights? 😂
He’s a literal criminal who has filled the courts with his minons and the police love him.
Who’s going to stop him? Seriously who?
His term this time is going to be worse than last time because he and the republican party have removed all the ways we have to stop him from doing whatever the fuck he wants.
Official acts are completely legal now. He can order protesters executed and the supreme court already said that’s fine.
A lot of the people he wants to deport are people claiming asylum because the country they come from is too dangerous to be in. Letting those people stay here while they plead their case is one of our lawful treaty obligations. Rounding them up and summarily deporting them is not enforcing the law it’s abrogating the law.
This is where I vehemently disagree. Just because you’re not going to be one of the first ones they target doesn’t mean it’s no big deal. They’re talking about using our local police to round millions of people up and put them in camps, and you’re going to sit there and tell me it’s not the end of the world? Get the fuck out of here.
Your mistake is believing any politician, Trump included. He says crazy stuff to win votes, not to actually implement it. This is true of libs in general as well.
You haven’t been paying attention. Trump tried to implement this stuff last time and was stopped by people loyal to the Constitution. ALL of those people are gone. He is surrounded by people who WILL carry out his orders. Trump rarely learns, but he has absolutely learned a lesson when it comes to staffing.
This is true of libs in general as well
This is a ridiculous attempt to both sides. Give us an example. What compares to “we’re going to detain and deport millions of people”?
I’m not interested in political theatre, I judge based on outcomes because it’s impossible to know intent.
In Poland libs were very up their arms about human rights abuse against migrants on the Belarusian border. Just months after they got back into power they formally suspended ability to request asylum (mandated by Geneva convention and EU basic rights charter). Similar stuff in France as well.
Sir, that is far too much logic for this crowd.
This (like Reddit) is an echo chamber.
It’s not a Reddit thing, it’s happening everywhere in the US media sphere aligned with Dems. I have a horrible deja vu to how our local equivalent political party and media did exact same things and lost badly and couldn’t get back into power for nearly 10 years. Not that I’m a big fan of them either but if we had two party system I’d begrudgingly vote for those guys so I can sympathise somewhat. I’m trying to convince at least some people that this is not the way to go.
It absolutely will be the end of the world for the women who die when an abortion could have saved them, for the immigrants dumped back into their war torn countries, and for the trans people that are forcibly detransitioned who then kill themselves because of the horror.
Spoken like a true cis white male.
Look, if people vote for Trump then maybe they want it that way or don’t care? Is this really the most important thing when people die due to fucking horrid state of US healthcare in general?
I was a head mod of primary polish subreddit and had to resign due to my hard stance of treating calls to criminalise abortion as hate speech because essentially it is a call to unequal access to medical care. Please don’t question my good intentions, you don’t know me.
Trump has also tried to cut medicare several times, while Harris wants to put a cap on out-of-pocket prescription prices and actually improve things instead of blaming everything on immigrants.
I don’t appreciate your whataboutism. You’re arguing like it’s one or the other, bodily autonomy or better healthcare. The goal should be both. They’re not conflicting issues.
I understand what you feel, I was there too accusing others of „symmetrism”. You don’t want to see critique of your side or pointing out that others might not be entirely wrong because you feel like everything you do contributes in some small way to which side will win. But this only leads to dishonesty and overt hyperboles. You’ll be frustrated, anxious and sad when you lose so don’t do that to yourself.
Maybe people voting for Trump don’t care about public healthcare because they don’t trust doctors in general. Maybe they feel that the entire healthcare industry is there to scam them and putting public money would be a waste. They’re probably wrong but you need to consider what led people to vote for someone that promises to dismantle the whole system. Maybe the root cause is something different and that’s what needs addressing first?
Pretty sure they had similar things to say about Bush-Cheney 2004, but now look. The Harris campaign enthusiastically accepted Cheney’s endorsement. I think they all need to go in the contraption, but liberals have no credibility.
Jeeze what happened in 2008 again? I can’t remember…
Trump is litterally the one telling people that. “Im going to be dictator for a day”. “Vote for me and you’ll never have to vote again”. “We need to use the miltary to rid of the radicals”.
If you’re truely polish, you should be well aware of what a man that says these things can do.
Do you believe everything Trump says? Is he somehow that one politician that’s going to keep his promises no matter how hard they are to implement? Do you believe everything Harris says?
I’m Polish so I have a good estimate of how this is going to go. Trump is copying Orban / Kaczyński. Dems are copying Tusk who is seen as one to stop illiberal democracy in EU.
If Dems lose they will say every single thing Trump does is an attack on democracy, even if there are rare instances of a broken clock is right twice a day. Ultimately this will erode trust in politics and public institutions even more. Then once Dems are back at the wheel they will want to remain in power so some of the bad things Trump did but people found okay will suddenly be okay. Been there, done that.
When someone walks up to you with a gun pointed at your head threatening to end your life. Do you ignore them and carry on as if nothing is happening?
Doesnt matter if they have no intention of causing harm, the threat needs to be treated as it were real because it absolutely can be real.
Nobody is pointing a gun at your head, you’re using an unnecessary and unproductive hyperbole. This kind of escalation is what’s going to erode remaining usefulness of political debate.
I really hate to be the bearer of bad news. I don’t want any of this to happen. I hope others will learn from our mistakes.
The same ccouldve been said for 1933 Germany. There were plenty of people then saying “he doesn’t really mean it. He’s just trying to rile up the masses for votes”. 6 years later they were rolling tanks through your country.
Dont ever be compilict to someone making threats.
Or, maybe, it’s a bit of an overreaction and you don’t live in the ascent of new Nazi Germany but because you’re so hysterical now nobody is going to treat you seriously when actual bad things happen. Also been there, done that. I’m saying this with your best interest in mind because we already made those mistakes.
Unfortunately US might be fucked due to two party system but the actual solution to your troubles is honest debate. Try to listen to what Trump voters are afraid of. Some of their concerns are probably valid but they have been misled by shrewd politicians. They won’t regain trust by treating them like children. Or nazis.
You cant debate with bigots.
“I’m going to shoot you in the face” - Man who can’t stop lying if their life depended on it.
“I don’t believe you” - Last words of person shot in face.
shocked pikachu face
Maybe lets not risk it.Yeah, I was shot by Trump to death twice yesterday. Try to get down go actual issues rather than whatever it is that you’re doing.
Remember folks Hitler failed to burn it down the first time
Will US under Trump be more or less of a Nazi state than, for example, under Nixon?
More obv. My post was a warning that a 2nd term would not be good.
You should probably learn how to hedge your bets. What if harris doesn’t win? Would it be better or worse if we had more dems in congress for a trump pres?
Isn’t it better if people who wouldnt show up for harris still show up to vote dems down ballot? Maybe stop attacking them over Harris and invite them to vote down ballot for dems by supporting their cause. Unless, you know, you’re pro genocide then you can fuck right off.
Stop making harris support your identity makes you look like an asshole.
In what ways will it be worse / more Nazi than under Nixon? Healthcare? Infrastructure? Minority rights? Black rights? Waging wars and supporting genocide in some third world country? Sorry to break it to you but US was always a borderline fascist state and that includes Democrats.
Lol exactly what you think you’ll accomplish this line of reasoning? That you’ll convince people harris is the best option for their vote? You wont.
That entire list is better dealt at congressional and local levels of the ballot, and is entirely unrelated to the presidential ticket. Stop wasting your breath on a failed argument. Also are you sure you’re responding to the correct person? Im well aware America has/is borderline fascist.
I’m trying to explain to Dem voters that their moral high ground and calling everyone a Nazi will lead Republican voters to entrench in views pushed by far right even if they didn’t hold them before. Dem voters are supposed to be the smart ones so they should understand that, right?
So you’re arguing with a leftist to convince liberals that they’re assholes? 😵💫. I mean I already knew this, but okay. Not particularly interested in discussing the million ways trump is horrible.
Im more interested in making sure harris campaign is as rough and hard as possible because her positions are absolutely atrocious and we as voters need to leverage the conditions of our local voting environments effectively by voting strategically against her without risking trump.
Don’t vote for the party that skipped their last election!
Why no vote by mail?
Some might think it’s safer to be there in person I guess
Definitely think so too
You can track your ballot after it’s mailed/dropped off.
When they’re burning drop off boxes in THREE different states, I want to see it counted.
California does an excellent job at this. You get a notification that your ballot has been counted.
Same in Colorado!
I vote absentee, as do most of the people I know, and after 2020, none of us are mailing our ballot back. We are taking them to the in-person voting areas and dropping them off with staff.
In 2020, there were reports of ballots being dumped, and so far there have been reports of drop boxes set on fire and stuff… it’s hard to trust, because of republican stooges seeing chaos, and enough of a pain in the ass to fix if it gets messed up that we aren’t taking chances.
I mailed mine. But I also got a text that the ballot was coming and another a few days after mailing saying it was accepted and counted. I imagine it would be annoying if I had to get a new ballot because some ass caught it on fire, but probably not any more so than having to vote like in the pic.
Yea I heard about ballots being dumped and the fires that’s why I’m voting in person
this mf said erarly
Give them a break, it’s really erarly.
one time I ended up getting a job after sending an email that started “dearing hiring manager”
“best retards”
This is what 49th in education gets ya.
–Fellow Okie
Ha!
— Former Okie, now Nevadan, proud 50-somethingth in education for many years running
(Are we not aware of how many states there are or are we counting outlying U.S territories? Anybody’s guess! 😉)
I herd we may be dropping to 60th here purdy soon 😡
