What race is German?
You cracked me up. I’m assuming this was intended as a joke.
You can be racist against the citizens of a country. The “race” (what a shit word for humans) isn’t of matter to be racist.
Technically since racism is prejudice + power, we’d have to know they belong to whatever ethnic group holds power to know it’s racist, it might be prejudice instead. The race actually does matter according to the sociological definition, that’s why in the US they say only white people can be racist, in China it’d be Han Chinese, etc.
That’s not how most people understand or use the word.
Right, but if you’ll continue reading, it’s how schools teach it in sociology class. I didn’t make the rubric, I just got suspended for questioning it.
if you got suspended, why do you keep defending it?
Wait, by “defending it” do you mean “defending my assertion that this is what they’re teaching kids in school?” If yes; because that’s true. If by “defending it” you mean “agreeing with the sociologists,” well, “I’m not, I haven’t done that one time, as I’ve repeatedly said.”
What exactly are you arguing with me about, the fact that sociologists say it, or your incorrect perception that I agree with the people I keep saying I disagree with?
But this isn’t a sociology class? It’s not even a sociology forum. Words can have different meanings and connotations in different contexts. The academic definition of a word does not automatically trump the colloquial definition, especially not in non-academic circumstances.
Sociology:
The study of human social behavior
Well, the sociologists have decided they’re relevant to all human interaction, so there’s that.
I don’t even know what that is supposed to mean
Racism can be against any group of people that are from a certain area or ethnic group power has 0 meaning for that.
And I know that many people in the US have some mental problems regarding political words and meanings.
Everone can be racists, Latinos and Black people are racists against each other in USA they also tend to be racist against Jewish people.
Hey don’t fight me, fight both my old sociology teachers and the sociologists who made that the definition.
OK, give me their number.
1-303-867-5309.
So they both have Jenny’s number?
It sounds to me like you’re racist against Americans
See, there is the difference, USA is a immigration country with no coherent similarities between everyone. Especially because I spoke about two specific group’s and the fact that US public language uses words that had meaning but the average speaker ignores it and uses it as dog whistle without actually meaning anything.
Are there other immigration countries?
Don’t say Gaza.
Canada
Absolutely fucking not. You can be completely powerless and still racist.
Unfortunately according to sociologists that is not true, those people would be “prejudice” but not “racist” with the only difference being “power.”
I was suspended for arguing against it, they seem dead set on this semantic argument.
“They” want a free pass to be racist to others and a shield from it themselves. “They” are hypocrites.
The idiots who think equality means “fuck the dealer” should stick to playing spades.
…who’s “they?” Sociologists aren’t a homogenous group, some are racial or ethnic minorities, some are racial or ethnic majorities. Both my teachers were white men.
Oh no, sociologists! Good thing they’re a hivemind, and all have the same opinion on definitions.
If your argument is that you’re using the wrong word which ultimately means the same thing, then it’s not much of an argument. It’s pretty clear you’re trying to downplay racism to be more acceptable
Well, every one I’ve talked to agreed with all the other ones on this matter, so again I say take it up with them, not the guy who disagrees with it who told you what their consensus on the matter is. Shoot the messenger much?
My argument is actually that sociology classes teach it, call your local school board and complain, I’m not in the education system, I can do exactly fuck all about it, like I said when I tried to argue I got suspended (and on top of that got my 360 taken away for a month for being suspended no less!) Trust me I’m on your side, your beef is with academia who are the people pushing the narrative. What, do you think I registered sociologydefinitions.zip or whatever that site was? Really?
I think you’re defending this racism. That’s not allowed.
It’s the sociology department of academia pushing it, not me. I merely said “well in school they taught me this” (and “I got in trouble for fighting it” no less) and now we’re here, calm down. If anything you should be outraged this is what they’re teaching in sociology classes in America, not mad that I told you this is what they’re teaching in sociology classes in America.
In fact, find me one time in this thread I “defended” their claims. I believe you’ll find that not one time did that occur, I repeatedly said shit like “hey I agree, but sociology teachers would be mad at both of us, because like I say they kicked me out for sharing your opinion.” Quite clearly I hold the same opinion as you, so I guess we’re both defending racism then.
Do you think the comment is racist?
You’re like those Nazis saying: “What race is black?” “What race is Islam?”
Yeah Islam isn’t a race either. It is a religion. And what point are you trying to make exactly? It sounds like you’re mad that I asked what race German is. What race are you then, American?
Thanks for proving my point and outing yourself.
Germanic
I’m not though, I’m just depressed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans
note that we say racism when we actually mean discrimination against an ethnicity because fuck you
It doesn’t matter their political system or economic alignment, authoritarians always look for unproven or racist ideas to divide others away from themselves. It doesn’t matter what race or for which political idea, racism is always bad and corrupts all ideas.
It’s easier than accepting that all people are capable of good and evil. It’s so easy to decide villains are born that way because then the targets are easy and you’re definitely a good person.
well said. Shame they don’t see that
I’m just going to continue to be happy I don’t know what Hexbear is…
You’ve likely interested with some of their terminally-online dungeon denizens before. They have authoritarian takes that would embarrass fascists, but they call everyone else Nazis. Truly a special and unique crowd over there.
I don’t know what could be worse than fascists
Fascists cosplaying as auth-commies cosplaying as anarcho-commies.
lol you get it
Fascists in denial
Probably best to add it to your instance blocklist now and nip that shit in the bud before you do.
They actually have some reasonable people though so I don’t see a need to block the entire instance. (They know Linux, self hosting and privacy pretty well.)
They’re on .world, which defederated ages ago.
I thought hexbear defederated from world
I know they defederated from SJW, oh man, it was hilarious. They were all hyping themselves up that they have an entire ocean to dunk with and then they lost their safespace and they quickly folded. It didn’t even last a day before they admitted defeat and ran back to their safespace.
Huh. I never realised sh.itjust.works kinda shares an acronym with Social Justice Warriors. I think I’d prefer SIW given how it’s punctuated, but SJW does indeed work too.
If I pay someone to do a sex crime to me, do I get in trouble or spare them the trouble?
You both get in trouble, that’s prostitution!
LMAO!
I’m an idiot.
Unfortunately illegal is illegal so, yes, they probably would be prosecuted. It’s the “crime” bit that matters. I think there was a German (lol) cannibal who consensually ate some bits of people. Prosecuted.
He had a really great TV though.
They’re being ironic and edgy. Probably.
The question is only whether you consider ironic racism (in this case mocking 19th and 20th century “race science” with reversals of focus) to be racism regardless.
I don’t think so, but there’s also always elements of Poe’s Law to consider. Not to mention that, for example, British and American racists literally said these things unironically about Germans, reaching fever pitches in WW1.
You should look at US WWII propaganda cartoons. It is very “interesting”
During that time the US rounded up all Asians and put them in internment camps for “there own safety.” Let’s just say they didn’t feel very safe living in a prison. I actually knew someone who grew up in one of the internment camps. She didn’t want to talk about the experience so I’m assuming it was unpleasant.
Long story short is that no country is free from the danger of race theory.
During that time the US rounded up all Asians and put them in internment camps for “there own safety.”
Japanese-Americans only. Chinese-Americans were actually highly praised by US propaganda of the time.
Racism is arbitrary and insane.
We all know words can’t really express sarcasm or other underlying feelings or meanings very clearly. Without a /s your only able to assume if the they did or didn’t actually mean that.
So what’s the joke? Are they’re pretending to be racist without the topic (rammstein) ever mentioning race to begin with?
I don’t buy that. ‘Please excuse me. I’m just going to be sarcastically racist without anyone previously mentioning race!’ – It’s straight out of the alt-right playbook; when called out, claim it’s a sarcastic, ironic joke!
No clue, could be either. It’s text on a screen and the only emotion present, is the one you decide to apply to it.
Ask them if it was a joke or not to be sure, and if you have to ask, it’s because it might not be.
Sounds like you’re going to lengths to defend this behaviour or to differentiate it.
No apologia is allowed
Actually no, the hexbear comment is clearly bad in my opinion, regardless of if it was sarcasm.
Good, I’m glad you can agree it’s bad. You have to be very vigilant against the alt-right playbook—no defending sarcasm or if it’s a joke.
Right, but there’s enough social context going on to generally assume that stans for the philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles probably don’t actually consider Germans a form of untermensch.
Most of them aren’t actual Marxists, that’s a facade for them to spread disinformation and divisive content.
when you are with your peer group and use sarcasm, you probably also don’t label it as such.
That’s a fair point, id just consider that as an inside joke I guess.
If you say any group of people are prone to rape because of their brains, then that is racist.
Do you, for example, think Robert Downey Jr’s blackface in Tropic Thunder was racism or a criticism of racism?
Did he say ‘the African American brain is prone to sexual assault’?
That is one of the traditional meanings of blackface, yes.
It’s also clear that the intended meaning of the act is innately critical of that mentality.
If you disagree that it is acceptable that’s valid but ignoring that the act was at least an attempt at well intentioned criticism is just dishonest.
Oh, I must’ve missed that line of dialogue.
Of fucking course you’re here with a heaping helping of terrible opinions.
Thanks for sharing, but my doctor said I should avoid false-pretenses used to destroy honest discussion.
Feel free to block me, it’s not like you’ve ever said anything of value so neither of us will miss anything.
I can BLOCK people?!?!
Oh boy it’s like Christmas 🥳
Though seriously, in Tropic Thunder, Kirk Lazarus is a satirical character whose method of acting goes to such lengths that it becomes offensive, hence why he’s in blackface.
Like it’s supposed to be offensive, that’s the entire point. It’s satirising the film industry’s portrayal of war and the actors in the industry. They even point this out in the film itself, lol, it’s a key part of it.
Using satire to back up your deflection unironically is certainly… something. Haven’t seen that before. But the original post has no satire, punchline, or even anything witty. It’s just plain racism.
What did Rammstein do again?
Gave groupies better seating so they could have easy access to them after shows. Potentially drugging some of them although that was never proven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rammstein#Concert_misconduct_allegations
But Ramstein won in court and the people aren’t allowed to spread that stuff anymore.
I saw them in Philly a few years ago. At the end of the show they had their cam feed point to women to flash the camera. Whoever was directing the feed kept cutting back to one woman who was obviously not comfortable with it, definitely left a bad taste in my mouth
Well that’s disappointing.
It finally became news that rock bands take advantage of groupies? What’s next? A rapper actually murdering someone? A polka tuba player eating an entire cake?
It was one girl getting drugged that made the news. Even though nothing happened to her back stage.
Originally posted by @[email protected] but the post didn’t focus on this
