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😢😢😢 i just want things I didn’t earn, is that so hard to understand?
How can you be better than teh libruls when you want the same thing that makes them unspeakably evil and greedy?
Gross outlook.
This is satire right? Like 9/10 satire of a neolib there, I almost believed you were suggesting labor didn’t make the wealth hoarded by nonlabor.
If you think someone can “earn” a billion dollars, you’re beyond saving. You get that through exploiting laborers, not your own labor.
The only wealth redistribution they allow is from the poor to the rich. Bonus points if they can do it through taxing the poor so that they in turn cheer for tax cuts that are then handed out to the rich.
The liberal playbook is so dumb and yet so effective.
They don’t only exploit human resources but also natural resources and communal resources.
The extraction of surplus value is usually done with no regard for and to the direct detriment of the well-being of the foundation on which value is being created.
You spelled conservative wrong buddy
US liberals are conservatives where I am from.
You’re forgetting the vehicle of modern plundering: the Corporation
The corporation is the weapon the capitalist class uses to make liberal democracies into dictatorships of the bourgeoisie.
“Not like that! We meant we should debate whether trans people should exist or not! Redistributing wealth is just evil.”
“OK FINE! You can own the means of sexual reproduction if you stay the hell away from the means of production, ya pleb!”
“Actually, scratch that, we need more wage slaves to make line go up.”
So this is lefty memes? Making fun of liberals by referring to them as centrists is nothing but a self-righteous attempt at driving a wedge. I’m guessing you don’t know many liberals.
I’m economically progressive with many liberal friends. I can say with confidence that your accusations are incorrect.
Liberals support increased taxation on the wealthy with proportional increase of social programs. Just because it isn’t full-on worker ownership of business does not make it any less a form of wealth redistribution. It’s just not the form you approve of.
What are the tenants of the neoliberalism economic philosophy?
Classic liberalism =/= neoliberalism
The meme doesn’t say neoliberals. It says liberals.
Liberals are Centrist they’ve always been centrists for 400 years.
Exactly, heavy taxation on the ultra wealthy and wealth caps are incredibly popular topics in liberal circles. I swear some people have never actually talked to a liberal and just attack some strawman they’ve lumped in together with conservatives.
I’m leftist and anti-capitalist, but I also recognize that most liberals are people who want the same things leftists do, but simply haven’t thought deeply enough about what the true root causes of society’s issues are. It’s an issue of tactics rather than a fundamental disconnect in core principles and values. Ultimately they want a more equitable, less stratified society where society helps and supports the disenfranchised. The same thing leftists want. They just don’t understand that capitalism has to go in order to achieve it.
Liberals, unlike conservatives, are actually generally quite reasonable people since they aren’t motivated by hatred. As leftists, we should be doing everything we can to educate them and bring them into the fold, rather than tearing them down.
I think you are being overly generous here. The number of middle class or wealthy liberals who want meaningful wealth distribution is vanishingly small. I’ll leave this comment because I agree with your closing sentiment, but please be mindful of rule 3. This is a space for lefty memes, not involved political discussion, or liberal apologia.
Well said. Education over isolation is the only way we’ll move forward.
This is just a bunch of kids thinking they’re very smart
What’s most important is that you get to feel smugly superior.
The irony of you saying this is earth-shattering.
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Thanks for thinking about me!
No need to thank me. I’ll always will be dedicating all my thoughts and prayers to the shitlibs.
Hey look it’s the guy in the meme!!!
So you make a meme about how liberals won’t discuss things and when they are in the comments to discuss with you you resort to name calling.
Very mature
You pretend the comment I was responding to was trying to discuss in good faith?
Very mature
And you decided to respond to that comment and mine instead of talking to the top comment and discuss with them
“Discuss in good faith”
Reads comments…
Maybe if you’d dedicate some of your thoughts on something else you would have a better life? Just a thought
never heard of the “thoughts and prayers” trope eh? I guess I expected too much of you.
Wow you are toxic. Please stop being that way.
And wasting their time on fantasy bullshit. Nobody’s taking any wealth when wealth has all the guns.
It honestly comes off as propaganda by the rich to divide groups that could unite to force an increase in taxes on the wealthy.
Liberals absolutely arent centrists, Social Democrats are centrist. Liberals are right wing, fundamentally you cannot be a leftist while supporting a “free” capitalist economy and minimal government (thats what Liberalism is).
Nah dude a liberal can be right wing and another lib can be left. You can be a liberal soc dem if you want
There is a set definition for what liberalism is.
Because it considers private property a core foundation it literally can’t be left wing. Leftists (whether socialists or anarchists) believe private (not personal) property should be abolished.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
You don’t define what’s left and what is right. Most people agree that liberal can mean left, central, right or right wing
I accidently responded to the wrong message last time. In the vast majority of countries Liberal is right wing, America is an outlier because of the red scare. Fundamentally Liberalism isnt left wing, its just the most left wing option Americans have so they they see it as left wing. Fundamentally if you believe in private property, capitalism, few social programs, funding genocide, and imperialism you are a right winger.
(Ex: the German political spectrum)
Absolutely this, no matter how left wing you are if you believe in private property and capitalism you are not a leftist.
From your linked article:
The diversity of liberalism can be gleaned from the numerous qualifiers that liberal thinkers and movements have attached to the term “liberalism”, including classical, egalitarian, economic, social, the welfare state, ethical, humanist, deontological, perfectionist, democratic, and institutional, to name a few. Despite these variations, liberal thought does exhibit a few definite and fundamental conceptions.
Yup. A single set definition alright.🙄
And they all still enshrine the sanctity of private property which was my point when referencing the definition. All the variations of liberalism still boil down to a capitalist ideology.
Again, this meme is suggesting that liberals are against any form of wealth redistribution. Capitalism and wealth redistribution are not mutually exclusive. Social programs, funded through taxation, is a form of wealth redistribution commonly found in capitalist nations.
Didn’t say you couldn’t attempt some wealth redistribution under capitalism but it’s not really related to what the discussion was. The left/right dichotomy for political economics isn’t based on whether there’s an attempt at wealth redistribution it’s whether the economic system is capitalism.
Also at the end of the day you can try to gain concessions from the capitalist class through social programs but there’s a hard limit on what will be allowed and as soon as the capitalist class is able to they will push for austerity for the working class. It’s been seen numerous times in history.
What you are saying fits the american “liberal” label. What you are describing I would call social democrat, not a liberal. People calling themselves liberal in europe are, examples from sweden: compares public insight into publicly funded privatly owned companies to soviet, are for privatization of welfare institutions, collaborates with the far right, calls rightwing newspapers communist, and are against free speech at universities.
To be fair though, the meme is probably targeting socdems anyway so I guess fair enough.
Aren’t SocDems a type of liberal?
Yes. And so are non ancap libertarians.
It’s a pretty broad label that covers basically everyone that believes in some form of democracy and capitalism. The combination of Americentrism and declining public education that created the “liberal is when Democrats” is… Annoying.
Hear me out, this isnt a flame.
The word liberal has lost some of its historic connotations.
I am a believer in Economic Liberalism, broadly defined as;
Economic liberals tend to oppose government intervention and protectionism in the market economy when it inhibits free trade and competition, but tend to support government intervention where it protects property rights, opens new markets or funds market growth, and resolves market failures.[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism
Genuine question: Which party do I vote for?
As I see it, none of them are championing economic liberalism.
Note: before someone replies with: what about climate change, inequality etc. These are market failures that Economic liberals believe should be fixed by government.
As I see it, liberal economics is politically dead.
Do you think the government should enforce some limits on wealth accumulation? Genuine question, because this doesn’t appear on neither the pro nor con lists in that definition and I’d like to hear a take of a self described economic liberal on this
I don’t think total accumulation of wealth would be a problem in itself IF it was taxed properly.
If I was in charge I’d do the following:
- Simplify the tax code and remove exemptions.
- Set a threshold for inheritance tax, say $5m, and tax anything above that at close to 100%.
- Setup a department to review and adapt to tax avoidance strategies I.e. billionaires taking out loans to avoid paying themselves in dividends, which would have been taxed.
- Make the tax code progressive e.g. you pay more tax the more you earn. Set this up for capital, income, pension etc. Tax it all at the same level.
I think this provides enough of an incentive to work hard but removes the inter generational plutocracy issues.
Equality of opportunity and all that.
P.S. In my opinion, the accountancy profession should not need to exist. Rules should be simple enough for an average person to follow.
