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Tradition isn’t the issue, the issue is not wanting anything to change. Those are completely different things.
Good: Festivities (like Christmas), cuisine, cultural heritage etc, all that (and more) can be summed up as tradition.
Bad: Saying something shouldn’t change because it has always been that way, uncritically continuing to do everything the way it has always be done. This is not tradition, it’s conservatism at best and backwards politics at worst.
The bad includes “traditional values” but traditional values don’t equal tradition - tradition is much more than that, and a lot of it isn’t bad.
Thanks, you gave me a good chuckle
It’s like when I hear people claim that I have to “respect their beliefs”. No I don’t. If you want to believe an ancient fairy tale over reason, logic, and science, that’s your business— and I certainly respect (and will fight to defend) your right to your beliefs, as they are also my rights to my non-belief.
But do I respect your beliefs? Only if they deserve respect. And it’s beliefs like these for which I hold my… discerning position regarding the beliefs of others.
“Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.”
Also I find those are people who rarely respect others’s beliefs
They need to respect my belief that they’re assholes. I made it my religion in some way. My holy tradition.
I’ve found that folks with beliefs that aren’t respectable, like believing that minorities don’t deserve rights, tend to need to be reminded to respect other people’s beliefs. Many times those beliefs hurt no one, like belief in astrology.
So they just weaponize and twist the lessons they were given to silence others so they can continue harming others.
I respect people, not beliefs.
Also the “traditional family values” people never seem to realize that no one pressures them to do liberal stuff. They can still be traditional.
I have to assume they project their own authoritarianism onto us liberal people.The lament of the white conservative
If I’m not allowed to force my favorite things on everybody, I’m being oppressed.
If I’m not allowed to force the Others to not do their favorite things, I’m being oppressed.
If people who look and think like me own and control everything and the Others criticize that, I’m being oppressed.
What they want is control. With their religion they get to be right because they read the book the hardest. Except everyone else gives zero shits about their book so they piss their pants crying.
Most of them didn’t even read the book.
Who can blame them though. It’s a absolute slog. I should try to read some today. See what I glean.
I blame the combined events of The Green Sahara period ending, and The Bronze Age Collapse. Both they and what seems to be the time period when The Torah was written, seem to have happened within a century or two of each other.
I have no way to prove it, but I suspect the ending of The Green Sahara period may have caused The Bronze Age Collapse, and both of those events convinced the ancient Israelites to abandon all of the other Cannannite gods, and worship only EL the god of war and death. Then they wrote their apocalyptic fictive, to cover up their true origins. Little hint, ancient Israelite pottery doesn’t have any Egyptian iconography or designs, nor is any of it found in Ancient Egypt. It does resemble Cannannite pottery and includes some Cannannite iconography, and is found in Ancient Israel. Archaeological evidence also indicates that the battle for Judea also never happened. There may have been a Moses like figure, but as far as I can tell, the rest of The Torah and possibly a few more of the oldest books of The Old Testament were created completely out of thin air.
Once you get to the parts about The Great Censuses of Jerusalem, then we have some archaeological and anthropological evidence to support that some of those people definitely existed, but their actions described in The Bible were exaggerated at the very least.
There’s also the social contract resolution to the tolerance paradox. Essentially, the tolerance paradox is that tolerating intolerance erodes tolerance. This means eventually if you allow intolerance to fester, they will seize control and you lose that tolerance.
The social contract resolution is that by being intolerant, you lose your right to be tolerated. This avoids that paradox, but superficially can look like intolerance.
I hope this didn’t end up too much like word salad.
I was able understand it pre-coffee so it made enough sense so hopefully mine won’t be a word salad too
TLDR a long winded version of what you said about the social contract
But to add on, like you said tolerance is a contract that only protects the parties that follow its terms
Example: (pick a group of your choice) “Hey _____ person, I’ll respect you if you respect me” Yay everyone’s happy we’re all chilling together even tho I’m 100% certain we have different beliefs down to the core
But when that contract is broken apply that to the blank above, “Hey Nazi, I’ll respect you if you respect me”. They won’t hold up their end of the deal so why should I hold up mine
Yeah, absolutely, that’s a much more readable summation than what I wrote.
As an aside, I really like the social contract theory. It’s a pretty clean philosophical summation of how the majority of people in tolerant democracies see the world and provides the foundation for it, even if they don’t think about it in formal philosophical terms. That essentially we are implicitly bound by the rules established by previous generations, those that set the rules (both cultural and legal), until such time as we form a political or cultural movement to change those rules. Then, anyone who comes after us is bound by those rules we set until and unless they in turn change them.
Aside from the fact that the only good nazi is a dead nazi, that takes a lot of planning and effort.
The swasticake.
I wish they would have done it better so I could call it the best ATBGE ever. But it looks like the basket just replaced a big block Chevy before they baked the cake.
Kind of a beat idea, I want to make a Minecraft one now
That’s not a Nazi swastika, for the record.
It doesnt matter how pedantic you try to get. At this point every swastika is a nazi swastika unless you find it in a Buddhist temple.
Fuck them baltics, eh?
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It’s a symbol, often used by the baltic cultures, often symbolizing sun, god, or perkūnas (a god similiar to zeus). And boy was it popular.
Many traditional clothes, chests, doors, furniture are often decorated with svastikas.
It’s a neat little symbol and fuck the nazis trying to monopolize it.
I am a baltic person and haven’t heard it before or seen it before.
That’s extremely surprising. At least here in Lithuania we were taught about it in schools. Also during folk festivals like “Mėnuo Juodaragis” or “Kilkim Žaibu” there are tradesmen, they often have accesories for sale including the sun symbol.
Where are you from?
Near the baltic sea (relatively) and also Lithuanian but don’t really attend festivals.
I find that insulting to the cultures and people who have used it for a thousand years and continue to do so. I’d rather be pedantic than dismissive of their much older beliefs.
That’s on the Nazis and the people that still tolerate them and fly their symbols.
Why?
A Nazi swastika is tilted at 45°, and points to the right (though the one in this cake could point either direction depending on which side you’re looking at).
A swastika in this style is a religious symbol used in many eastern faiths and belief systems, including Buddhism.
The Nazi flag used a 45° rotated swastiska. However horizontal swastikas were also commonly used by the Nazis.
Assuming this isn’t just shopped, which it probably is… As a guy that bakes cakes from scratch a couple of times a year, two things:
- Props to whomever got that pattern into the cake, that couldn’t have been easy. Imagine: There’s a toroidal swastika in that cake.
- That’s one ugly-ass cake for having spent so much time on it.
I guess it’s the same concept as a checkerboard cake just cutting the rings to make a swastika instead. But yeah why go through all the mess to make the outside that sloppy.
Because, even for Nazis, it’s the inside that counts.
Nazism will even cover up for the sin of you not being white.
Fascism is, as much as anything, a process of exterminating those you don’t like until things collapse. Nazism will cover the sin of you not being white - but only for a while - you’ll find yourself back at the front of the queue once those more “undesirable” than you are shuffled off to the camps.
The image is so blurry… the foreground Alice could have been a paper swastika cutout placed on the slice and cocoa powder sprinkled on it to create the symbol. The background cake looks partly copied from the foreground swastika.
The partial swastika is facing the wrong direction. Or I guess the slice is upside-down. Looks like two thin sheet cakes samwhiching a glob of frosting or ganache.
It’s the right direction. Look at where the top is on the cut piece, and think of which direction you will flip it when you put it down on the plate.
Yeah, the slice is upside down.
They just tilted to the right to put it on the plate rather than tilted to the left. Does that really make it upside down?
Is tilting to the right to drop a piece of cake on a plate violating some kind of standard cake serving protocol?
EDIT or in other words, had they tilted the serving utensil to the left to drop the slice on the plate, the swastike would match the orientation you see on the remaining uncut portion of the cake.
I still think about my white coworker who said that the 1920s were the best times. And I had to remind him his mixed wife and kids would disagree with him.
Let me guess, he’s probably enjoys drinking alcohol too.
…but Gatsby! and flapper dresses! and wealthy industrialists!
It’s all vibes from people painfully ignorant of the time they yearn for.
It’s like when people read or watch a period drama that takes place before the 20th century and then they wish they were born back then. They forget that they would be born as a peasant or slave working the fields or mines and every decade they and their sons are forced into the meat grinder of war.
I believe in TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES like HARD WORK through HUNTING and GATHERING and COMMUNAL LIVING and DYING AT THE AGE OF 5 and BEING AFRAID OF FIRE and YEETING YOUR KIDS INTO THE FOREST WHEN THEY BECOME ADULTS.
I have a feeling someone baked this cake just for the meme.
Isn’t that the Buddhist/Hindu version?
From Wikipedia:
In Hinduism, the right-facing symbol (clockwise) (卐) is called swastika, symbolizing surya (‘sun’), prosperity and good luck, while the left-facing symbol (counter-clockwise) (卍) is called sauvastika, symbolising night or tantric aspects of Kali.
I thought the big difference came down to the direction it was facing, but turns out both directions are the Hindu way with different meaning. And depending which side of the cake or the slice you look at it will be both ways. The other distinction between the two is that the Nazi one is usually tilted to 45 degrees.
It can go in either direction, but it’s more commonly in the opposite of what is shown here
Off-topic, but, if that’s a real cake and the image goes all the way around, that’s actually kind of impressive.
Same, that’s pretty creative layering
I distinctly remember debating with a person from my old Internet community. The person is anti-globalisation whereas I am pro. This was before I realised right wingers are anti-globalisation, but he blamed the rise of far left and far right in the 20th century to globalisation, and also blamed the fall of Rome to foreigners with the Germanic invasions (it is an oversimplification as to why Germanic peoples invaded but many viewed themselves as also Romans; hence why the later Holy Roman Empire is Germanic). Then after a while, the discussion turned to women’s rights because I mentioned Westerners just don’t have as many children and therefore immigration is necessity . The interlocutor then basically argued that women should have more children. I alluded that there was a certain political party that explicitly viewed women as baby churners in order to breed more people for their race (I’m referring to the Nazis of course, but I should have also mentioned at the time the Islamic fundamentalists also do the same).
Someone mentioned that the user I debated with changed over time within the community. I later learned that the person got banned.
Advocating for traditional values is not in and of itself wrong, but if those values impede another person’s rights then those values are not worth actually worth valuing.
Tribalism is a terrible thing, and unfortunately part of human nature. Those people over there want my fucking deer meet, and this cozy cave I have: I need to hate them.
