Because let’s say you’re Tom Hanks. And you get [email protected]

Well, what’s stopping someone else from adopting [email protected]?

And some platforms minimize the text size of platform, or hide it entirely. So you just might see TomHanks, and think it’s him. But it’s actually a 7 year old Chinese boy with a broken leg in Arizona.

Because anyone can grab the same name, on a different platform.

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    This would require some kind of federation alliance of instances that check each other’s usernames to ensure no duplicates over the whole network. Sure, maybe lemmy.shit doesn’t recognize the network, but then they don’t get federated with.

    This is definitely possible, but it doesn’t seem to be happening.

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      Oh I’ve been thinking it needs an official alliance now for some time. Where a preagreed set of protocols are all adheard to. Just so all the services can play nicely with each other. Still decentralized in operation, but unified in experience.

      And if some rouge instance wants to stay seperate, well, good luck growing hexbear.

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    • Take picture of proof you are Tom Hanks
    • post picture on Lemmy
    • Pin it to the top on your profile (once that feature exist)
    • ???
    • profit!

    Either way, celebrities will probably never use Lemmy or other social media unless it goes mainstream.

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    Well, what’s stopping someone else from adopting [email protected]?

    There’s over 1400 people solely in the US named Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks The Celebrity does not get patent rights or trademarks or copyrights on the name.

    Wanna know which is the Tom Hanks The Celebrity? Check if their profile is authenticated against their personal website, à-la-Mastodon.

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    I’m not here for celebrities and they will always flock to centralized platforms anyways, since they are all about the views.

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      they will always flock to centralized platforms anyways,

      I’m trying to change that.

      since they are all about the views.

      Which is why if we make the fediverse normalized for celebrities to host content, they can get more views here.

      I fully believe that this fediverse concept CAN be the future of the entire internet. Services that don’t even exist yet can integrate with the fediverse, and it can scale easily by it’s very nature. But there’s a LOT of rough edges that keep the normies away…for now.

      Right now, the fediverse is more than just decentralized. It’s fractured.

      Imagine posting an update on something, and it goes out to your mastodon, your Lemmy community, your pixelfed, and your peertube accounts. All at once. You wouldn’t follow services, you’d follow people.

      But we’d need all these services to integrate with each other nicely. And part of that would be making it so you don’t have 7 different accounts for 7 different services. You have 1 account, and sign up for each service under that account.

      All your notifications would go to the same place.

      Your identity would be your username. People would know if it’s your username, it’s you.

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        But people here don’t really care that much about celebrities being here and maybe not even their username being unique. Could probably be anon1, anon2, etc and it wouldn’t matter that much, since real identity is probably not a draw for them. Focus on regular people wanting the userbase to want to use fediverse rather than celebrities which is an off-putting first impression and point of sale for lot of people here.

        You need to pivot is what I’m saying to achieve what you want.

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          But you need to get the celebrities here first FOR the regular userbase to follow. Which is the whole point of the post.

          It’s like those dog memes about the stick. “No take! Only throw!” Well, you have to take the stick first, THEN you can throw the stick.

          Well, you need the celebrities here first, THEN the regular userbase will come.

          So how do you get them here? Well first you make a list of every problem that would prevent a celebrity from coming here. Then iron out those rough edges first.

          I’ve already talked in other posts prior how the only way to grow the userbase is to be welcoming of people that you have no interest in interacting with. But it’s fine. Because they don’t want to interact with you either. It doesn’t matter though because you can be on /c/Linuxmemes, and they can be on /c/homeandgarden.

          And if Martha Stewart posted on /c/homeandgarden she’d bring her fanbase with her. And if Ozzy Osborn posted on /c/ozzybitesabat he’d bring his fanbase.

          And so on and so on with each new celebrity. Some of them have overlap, some don’t. But you’re bringing more people, who create more instances, and then niche communities can develop. You get more people posting more content. And the platform grows with more varied topics than just politics, technology and video games.

          Or you could ignore what the celebrities want, and google, and reddit, and instagram will always be the dominant platforms, while nobody will have ever heard of the fediverse.

          I’m trying to bring the current system down.

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            “Celebrities” is quite a broad term.

            I guess most people here were thinking about people they don’t really share values with (let’s say reality tv influencers for instance). On the other hand, if someone like Keanu Reeves for instance would do an AMA here, I’m pretty sure everyone would be happy and thankful for them to put some light on the Fediverse

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    What’s stopping that same 7 year old taking [email protected] before the real Tom Hanks even knows about Lemmy?

    It’s not the lack of unique usernames that’s a problem. It’s the lack of identity verification. Which, I mean, understandably is lacking because it’s not like there are high profile people making accounts here. Well, except of course for Margot Robbie.

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      If “TomHanks” is his username on every other service, like twitter, and youtube, and tiktok, and instagram, then he would want to use it when he comes to the fediverse. Now, if only ONE person can have the username TomHanks (and it just so happens to be @Lemmy.World), then he could send a cease and disist letter, and if that doesn’t work, a lawsuit. Madonna did it in the 90s with Madonna.com.

      However, if [email protected] can exist, and [email protected] can exist, and [email protected] can exist and…and…and…then it gets a little impossible for him to really own that username, because it can be duplicated on an infinate amount of instances, some that may not even exist when he shows up to the fediverse.

      But if only one instance can have TomHanks, than he could absolutely show courts he’s had a vested interest and usership of that identity and thus that’s HIS username. Even on services he’s never signed up for. Like if he doesn’t have an instagram account at all, but someone else starts using TomHanks on instagram, he can take it to the courts that they are not allowed to do that, because that’s his username.

      But the way the fediverse is currently set up right now, that’s not feasible. Because he could enter a court battle with [email protected], and then 5 more instances with his username popup. And eventually it becomes harder and harder to prove that people know his ownership of that username if there’s 500 other people also using the same username. It’s the reason you can’t email celebrities. They can’t control their presence in email, so they don’t use that as their identity.

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    We decided to not host any sort of Buy-Sell-Trade community on our hobby instance for this reason. It’s a small community so a lot of people know usernames of people they know and can trust. It’s very easy for a scammer to use someone’s username and say “I’ll sell you that thing! Send me $150!”.

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      I’m on MBin. Your username is displayed as: walden. I can mouse over that to learn that your full username is @[email protected].

      This is the same thing as email domain names and display names. Yes, scammers still exploit that, too, but for the most part, people have gotten used to also looking at the actual full email address, and not just the display name or mailbox name. The same can happen here.

      Still, I would much prefer if the default view here showed the full username and not just the display name.

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        There is an issue on the Mbin repo asking for that as an option if you are or know a developer with free time

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    I see this as a benefit. Generally speaking celebrity posts are the most useless threads on most platforms.

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    That’s why she hosts her own domain, instead of sending half a million followers to some random fediverse instance.

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      This solves the issues of having the same username across all platforms, assuming you host an instance for every platform you want to use. And also mske those domains private. But it doesn’t address that same username being used on another instance/domain.

      Like imagine someone had the usernsme [email protected] and was impersonating you. If you made your living off your name, an imposter would affect your image.

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        If I was making my living off of my name, I wouldn’t even know some random user with no followers from a troll domain exists.

        Whatever the reason celebs don’t take to the fediverse, this isn’t it…

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    You seem to be under the impression that it’s good if this place grows explosively. It’s not. There’s no VC to pay back here (and thank fuckin god for that). There’s no ad revenue here (again, this is good).

    Also, not entirely sure what exactly to make of the weirdly targeted quip about a Chinese child, but spidey sense says it’s nothing good.

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    Truthiness of a user should be determined with corroboration on 3rd party services.

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      Except no one will. If millions of people were on the fediverse, maybe 1% would confirm.

      We live in a world where people read the headline and believe it, but don’t even open the article.

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          But it would.

          Imagine Kamala Harris as president had a mastodon account. And somebody else made a duplicate Kamala Harris account. And this duplicate announced that the United States has gone to war with Russia.

          Except these media stations don’t know how the fediverse works. They don’t know what an instance is. They just see Kamala Harris on social media announcing war.

          And in media you HAVE to be the first to break the news story. So now you have every major news outlet confirming nuclear war, and the nation is panicing.

          Meanwhile, Harris is trying to figure out how this all started. And this whole thing maybe lasts 10-60 minutes before somebody notices the mistake. Then it takes time to correct themselves and calm everybody down.

          All over something that isn’t happening. All because people don’t check sources.

          Now this is an extreme example, but I could see it happening if the fediverse was bigger, under it’s current setup.

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            Or, all accounts in the driver’s are anonymous by nature, and if they need to be verified, they are verified on 3rd party sources.

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                  Then people won’t sign up for it.

                  The fediverse as it stands right now is confusing enough as it is for new people. Now you’re saying you want to add in the chaos that comes from everybody being annonomous? They say that the internet, and trolling, and threats of violence are encouraged online because you’re annonomous. And now you want to highlight that feature on a service thats hard enough to grasp without nazis and death threats.