Detest, Voyager, missing/extra pips.
Notes: WHERE IS HARRY’S PROMOTION?!
This also grinds my gears, especially after so many officers die during the course of the series. So many junior officer ranks are time-defined promotions (in real life) and even if they weren’t time based, slots opened up due to all the people dying.
Klingon continuity is the only thing on here that can get me riled.
Faith of the Heart is… whatever. What Janeway did to Tuvix, I definitely wish didn’t happen that way, but I can get over it.
But dammit stop fucking up Klingons, please. TOS gets a pass (and Enterprise, whatever its other problems, retconned a continuity fix for that.) But every Klingon fuckup after that is inexcusable. (Some more inexcusable than others.)
(Sorry. Sorry. I’ll go take ten deep slow breaths now.)
Wait, so now KLINGONs have a Bird of Prey?!
Deep breaths no, it’s fine, I’m over it now. Those breathing exercises really work.
Yeah the Klingons changed over time, but once you they have a Klingon in the regular cast it’s kinda set at that point.
Worf is THE Klingon now. All other Klingons will be compared to Worf from here on out. Sure there can still be some variance, but if they stray too far off from Worf, they’re asking people to choose which is the real Klingon: Worf or whatever they’re putting up on the screen now. The answer will always be Worf is the real Klingon, and the new version is not a real Klingon.
It’s just how it is, and it’s really insane they tried to stray from Worf too much under the excuse that Klingons were changed previously. Yeah they were changed previous to a Klingon being a regular cast member on two popular Trek series.
Which fuckup, except for DIS season 1?
Any time they bleed red instead of fuchsia is an unforgivable violation of the sacred canon.
DIS season 1 is the worst Klingon continuity issue, but the Chris Pine Star Trek movie Klingons weren’t like other Klingons either. Enough so that the fanbase had to start speculating as to how to resolve that inconsistency.
The Kelvin line of movies is 100% non canon in my head. It’s good they made a separate parallel universe, so I can pretend it never happened and just go on enjoying the rest of the trek
My complaint is I don’t know half of the acronym.
Super Teleport Adventure Ramble: Tuvix Razing Extermination Kink
If you say it loud enough you’ll almost sound precocious.
What if I don’t like the new movies because jj Abrahms can’t direct for shit?
Checkmark lens flares?
Good call.
Try Beyond. He had basically no involvement.
I’ve seen it, it’s definitely the best one.
Please enter beep box to complain
Some of the spinning camera shots of early DIS seasons made me legitimately nauseous but I was also not entirely sober so like fair
I: Am just not interested in
Star Trek:
- Discovery
- SNW
Unspecified (specify): They’re prequels.
I already imagined the backstories for the shows I’ve seen… are you not supposed to? A prequel isn’t going to ever line up to how I imagined the backstory (how could it, everyone has a different imagination) so there’s always going to be dissonance with a prequel. Not that I hate these shows, just not interested in them.
Make Star Trek Legacy and move the story forward pls, thx.
Sorry, I’ve already imagined the backstory of Discovery Season 3-5. Those centuries are now off-limits.
Yeah well Discovery totally messes with the established timeline. They have a ship that’s more advanced than anything we’ve ever seen on screen before and yet, it’s pre TNG, eh?
It’s not that I don’t like the writing, or the characters, but the least (literally the very least) they could do is have a bit of respect for the source material.
SNW is so good I’d sooner toss TOS if forced to choose (which I’m not). The musical episode is vastly better than Turnabout: Intruder.
In my mind Strange New Worlds is in a parallel universe. Not the mirror universe, or the Kelvin universe, but another another universe.
But I want to go back to DS9 darn it. I want to know how that all ends.
Don’t you also imagine future developments of the stories you enjoy? I’m already imagining what Starfleet Academy is going to give us, doesn’t matter if it’s a prequel or not. I just have to set my imagined version aside when the actual show airs.
I love to rag on Neelix, not least because I think Ethan Philips has been criminally underused ever since VOY ended. (Put him through a freak worm hole already!) But even so… Dang. Got his own checkbox. His cooking can’t have been that bad…
Hello, I would like to complain that filling out a form to complain is exactly the kind of thing that Gene Roddenberry would be against so I refuse to do it. /s
Please submit this complaint on the official complaint form
Right column, second checkbox from the bottom.
I dislike everything that isn’t Voyager because not enough Neelix. Also, I’m going to look over the comic sans because of the far greater sin of using Papyrus.
Is Phlox perhaps Neelix enough?
I dislile TNG because Q. I will be arguing with dissenters in the comments
Tangent, but I had a generally positive opinion of John de Lancie based on his work in Trek and Days of Our Lives (I am so old) and various interviews I’d seen over the years until I saw Jenny Nicholson’s video about the last Bronycon. De Lancie had some involvement in a film about the Brony phenomenon and she was in a green room with him a few times. Apparently he was pretty rude and showed contempt for his fans. 🙁
Disclaimer: Not a Brony myself but Jenny Nicholson can make anything interesting.
De Lancie invited the local bronies in my area to attend an opera he was narrating. I attended and he came and hung out with the bronies afterwards, saying he wanted to thank us for sharing our thing with him by sharing his thing with us. He stayed late after, signing autographs and chatting with people, for so long that I think he may actually have missed his flight. He was a super sweetheart. Maybe he needs to vent about the nasty fans behind closed doors sometimes, but I can’t begrudge anyone that. I recognize that it’s only one data point, but he made the effort to do something nice for us on his own initiative, was incredibly generous with his time, and was kind to me, personally. I will always appreciate that.
EDIT: Also, it was a free event so it’s not like he was trying to sell tickets or anything, and there were less than a dozen of us so I doubt it was a self-serving PR move.
Glad you had a good experience. I guess people are never as simple as the boxes we try to cram them into, and fandoms can be both a blessing and a curse.
Most Q episodes are hit or miss and almost all of TNG season 1 is bad but I still think episode 1 with Q putting Picard on trial is a perfect introduction to TNG.
I disagree - you dislike TNG for completely different reasons.
Shit. You got me.
Android slaves in Picard conflicts with TNG canon.
Trapped tardigrades for propulsion in Disco conflicts with Voyager canon.
Those are my complaints.
Android slaves in Picard conflicts with TNG canon.
I blame Voyager.
Hm, not sure what you mean.
Are there android slaves in voyager?
Not quite, but in “Author, Author” a bunch of repurposed EMH Mark 1 are seen mining dilithium back home while obviously not being very happy about it.
Android slaves in Picard conflicts with TNG canon.
Yeah I hear ya on that. When you think about it, Picard S1 is the exact opposite of Measure of a Man. In Measure of a Man they start by thinking it’s ok to disassemble Data against his will because he’s a machine. But then there’s a debate about whether he’s sentient. It ends with Picard saying that since debatable that he’s sentient there is no debate about whether or not to disassemble data because if they do that if there’s even a possibility Data is sentient, they risk being horrible racist monsters and eventually creating a slave race.
Picard S1 starts with the Federation already creating a slave race AND disassembling the androids. And it’s not that they’re assuming they’re just machines, they are overtly racist against the androids. So much so when the androids malfunction they don’t even consider the possibility that it’s a malfunction (run a level 5 diagnostic or whatever), they go straight to hating androids.
I get they were trying to do an anti-racist message (which it’s Star Trek, that’s what they should do) but by doing Measure of a Man backwards they didn’t accomplish anything. Because it’s later revealed the androids were indeed just malfunctioning machines. So the Federation was being racist against malfunctioning machines? What is anyone supposed to learn from this message? If your computer doesn’t work right, don’t be racist against computers… run a virus scan instead.
TNG: Android is a machine -> maybe he’s sentient? -> disassembly might be racist? -> disassembly: NOPE!
Picard S1: Android are people -> people that the Federation is racist against -> no wait, they’re actually malfunctioning machines -> ???
By doing it backwards they watered down the anti-racist message so much it’s non-existent.
Yes agreed 10000%. S1 Picard was so confusing to me because of what you said. Did nobody in the writers room watch that episode of TNG?? There’s a few more too!!
“The Most Toys” asserts Data’s humanity over and over again. That episode with the Exocomps talks about tech sentience thru evolution and the effect on self preservation. That other episode about terraforming and finding the inorganic life forms. So many to choose from!
First 30 seconds of Picard: “These damn dirty robot slaves are so whiny and cranky!” Me: 🤦
I have a problem with the Kelvin timeline. Specifically how they depicted the Kobayashi Maru sequence. No, I don’t care if Spock programmed it. My issue is that Kirk’s behavior stinked. He straight up cheated, but even worse, he was smug about it. That didn’t show leadership potential at all. That was conduct unbecoming of an officer.
I’d always had it in my head that Kirk simply disagreed with the test philosophically. It’s a simple scene to set up. Kobayashi Maru tests officers to see how they deal with a losing path in a simulation of a deterministic universe. But Kirk doesn’t believe in fate. He believes in a quantum universe, where infinite possibilities spring from the vacuum every instant. In my mind, Kirk wouldn’t simply reprogram the hostile ships’ shields to drop at an exact moment, then just line up his shots. That’s still determinism! Instead he would subtly reprogram the simulation to account for random chance, and depend upon his skill to react to whatever the scenario might throw at him. Examining his changes to the code would reveal not a cheater, but a leader with a fundamental difference in personal philosophy for approaching the Universe.
That scene would have made me lose all respect for Kirk if I regarded it as canon, so I can’t. I would never follow a leader like that, no matter his supposed tactical brilliance. No disrespect to any of the actors. It’s just bad writing. Beyond that, I’ve got no problem with Kelvin beyond minor quibbles.
The Kobayashi Maru sequence is a perfect summation of everything wrong with Kelvin Kirk. He’s basically a fratboy. He just lies and cheats his way through problems by the seat of his pants with no forethought or consideration. Actual TOS Kirk is an incredibly smart, educated and thoughtful leader who constantly questions his own beliefs and motivations. He understands the burden and the cost of leadership, and always strives to meet that burden, and he truly believes in the Federations mission to be build a better world for all.
This is why I love Strange New Worlds. SMW Chris Pike is, genuinely, the best version of Kirk in any Star Trek. Smart, thoughtful, emotionally intelligent, cares deeply about his crew, but also funny and likable. And, when need be, kind of a badass.
I understand where you’re coming from.
Another way to look at it though, is Kirk wanted to draw attention to the ridiculousness of the test. He was making a bold statement that his intention wasn’t to “cheat” but to show the test was stupid by rubbing it in their faces. He was saying if you’re going to fix it so I can’t win, I’m going to fix it so no one can lose.
I have my issues with the Kelvin timeline. And to be honest I think the writing could have been better in that scene. But I would prefer they replace the ending of movie two. The reactor sacrifice thing went away past just a nod to previous movies into lazy writing. And the blood thing created SO many future plot holes…
Yeah Into Darkness was just a bad concept all around. Just a bad idea to remake a good movie in general. And then Star Trek II revolved around a villain from Kirk’s past coming back for revenge. Kirk and Khan never met before in the Kelvin timeline, so there really isn’t anything there. It was destined to be a a half-assed remake at the concept stage, and they should’ve scrapped it and done pretty much anything else as soon as someone suggested bringing back Khan.
Still it’s not the worst Trek movie.
This is how I see it. Reprogramming the test was a protest, and protests should be loud and obvious. A subtle change that made the test just barely passable would have just looked like academic dishonesty.
Yeah the more thought about it, you also can’t compare “canon” Kirk to the Kelvin Kirk. Expecting one that grew up without a dad to act the same…
No man is an island
No checkbox for Wesley Crusher? 🤔
Checkbox for annoying minor character with limited screen time
