I’ve watched the keynote and read some stuff on the internet and I’ve found this video about a dude talking about the new update (I linked it here because if you didn’t see the keynote, this is probably enough)
Is it just me, or… does no one address that Apple does a Microsoft move by basically scanning everything on every machine and feeding this into their LLM?
It’s really simple: Microsoft is a business solutions company. Microsoft helps your boss spy on you at work. Your boss is their customer, not you.
Apple is a consumer products company. You are their customer. They market their products on privacy and security. Betraying that marketing message by spying on users is shooting themselves in the foot, so they’re incentivized not to do that.
Neither company is trustworthy. Economic incentives are the trustworthy concept here. Barring screwups, we can trust both companies to do what is profitable to them. Microsoft profits by spying on users, Apple does not (not right now anyway).
they definitely do spy on their users and sell their data, but are very clever at marketing their items as fashionable and people fall for it
Do you have a source for this?
LMAO at thinking Apple doesn’t spy on you
Specifically about personal data…
Apple may engage third parties to act as our service providers and perform certain tasks on our behalf, such as processing or storing data, including personal data, in connection with your use of our services and delivering products to customers.
As for anonymized aggregate data…
Aggregated data is considered non‑personal data for the purposes of this Privacy Policy.
(All from Apple’s privacy page)
So they may not be explicitly selling identifiable information (which is usually pretty standard with big companies, I think), they are sharing it with other companies (which is normal)…and they’re also almost definitely selling anonymized data (which is also standard).
Exactly.
My employer runs macos. So I’d argue Mac is still a business solution, but not as common as windows. Tools exist for managing macs at scale as well.
As far as I know, Apple’s implementation of LLMs is completely opt-in
Apple also has a MUCH better track record relating to user privacy over pretty much every other big tech company.
On the contrary, Apple’s track record for collecting data is deliberately obtuse and utilizes dark patterns to make it as difficult as possible to not upload your info to them.
From the article,
the user is given the option to enable Siri, but “enabling” only refers to whether you use Siri’s voice control. “Siri collects data in the background from other apps you use, regardless of your choice, unless you understand how to go into the settings and specifically change that,”…“In practice, protecting privacy on an Apple device requires persistent and expert clicking on each app individually"…the steps required are “scattered in different places.”
Apple devices might be arguably more secure than other vendors, but security and privacy are not the same thing.
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People really don’t want to believe that Apple, Microsoft and Google are all not on their side, so they choose to believe Apple is good, as some kind of a lesser evil.
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I didn’t know that was a controversial opinion? Do you think that Apple are as bad as Google or Meta in terms of privacy?
Apple does have privacy violations, but the things I’ve seen them get caught doing are minor compared to the things that many other companies do openly.
The main point of the article you’ve linked is that Apple put the equivalent of a “Do not track” option in a browser, and it did exactly the same of a “Do not track” option in a browser (nothing). Does that mean that any browser with a DNT request option is bad for privacy?
Adding an option that is somewhat misleading isn’t ideal, but it’s incomparable to something like Cambridge analytica incident, or the tracking that Google put basically everywhere on the Internet.
By the way, I am in no way defending Apple. I’m just saying that everything that Apple does, companies like Google and Meta also do, just ten times over.
I believe an iPhone is way better than a Pixel for privacy, even if both are far from ideal. I’d love to be proven wrong, tho.
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This entire article is a nothingburger from 3 years ago. You’re telling me that the button saying “ask app not to track” still makes it possible for the app to track you? Almost like there’s a difference between the words “ask” and “enforce”? Did you read the article you sent? How is that even in the same universe as installing a keylogger into every Copilot PC by default?
I never claimed Apple is perfect at privacy, I said they are better than the competition.
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And local. Probably. Maybe. Perchance.
It’s all local, except when it isn’t.
It’s both local and remote, according to their page. There are some activities that run on a “private cloud”. I’d imagine that image creation is one of those
While this is true, is it fact?
That we’ll probably only know after someone tries to test all the features without an active internet connection
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/watch?v=B_SqrNMPV5c&pp=ygUMTWFjIG9zIHNwaWVz
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Apple has always had a better PR team.
I’m going to copy paste a reply I left somewhere else. This was for iOS AI, I’m unsure what the implemention for macOS is. If they are scanning everything then I do not support it.
From what I saw,
MS Recall is a 24/7 AI monitor system that captures everything you look at and saves it for later. They didn’t even do the bare minimum for protecting the data, it was just dumped in an unencytped folder where anyone get wholesale access to the data. All trust has been lost.
Apple is using AI as a tool to improve specific tasks/features that a user invokes. Things like assistant queries and the new calculator. They have said some promising things in regards to privacy, specificly with the use of ChatGPT - any inquiry sent to ChatGPT will ask the user permission first and obscure their IP. This shows they care enough to try, they have not lost our trust - but we remain skeptical.
If apple tries the same thing by scanning everything wholesale, then that’s getting over shadowed by the promises made by the implentaion on the much more popular iOS.
OP will never acknowledge this.
Because I don’t use apple products and don’t keep up with the news? My work laptop is Mac, but that’s work’s problem (I hate that thing)
I saw the Apple Intelligence presentation that reads user emails and SMS like it reads everything and categorizes which is more important to you… and people take that?
I think it’s because Apple has a “fandom”, whereas when’s the last time you heard someone being a weird fan of Microsoft outside of Xbox? It just doesn’t really exist. The people with Apple devices are often “fans” of Apple, not simply people who bought a product. I think it’s that simple.
Opt-in ; Respecting Agency; Explicit Consent.
Microsoft has every intention of SHOVING this down your throat, and only corporate group policy will be exempted. They will use every nag screen, dark pattern, accidently enabling with updates, randomized installs, to make it happen. Look at what they do with edge, for an example. MS absolutely does not respect consent. #MS-MeToo
Apple for all its faults, respects people when they say No, and if they say it’s opt-in, they have a track record to back that up. Apple says ‘Hey look at this cool new feature you can use’, and I think Horray - more choice.
Skimming all the comments, didn’t see this mentioned explicitly
Apple at least talks about privacy and security. Windows just dumped that shit right on you and is planning on storing in unencrypted databases… like, I would expect there to be enough brainpower at M$ to be able to write an application and then secure it… Just use Linux and when Ubuntu and Fedora decide they want to implement those features… OpenBSD it is :D
https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2024/05/deleted-iphone-photos-show-up-again-after-ios-update
So photos were forever stored on a database… How’s that privacy and security? This isn’t even just another iCloud leak… these were things people thought were deleted coming back.
Apple likes to talk because talk is cheap. Just like Apple used to say that Apple products didn’t get viruses. Or how Google said do no evil. Talk is cheap.
because its target audience thinks it is a feature?
…because that would just affect apple users, and not me. I don’t chose to use windows, I am forced, so I hate when they take away my choice of keeping it out of my stuff
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So I’m curious . . . what reference am I missing that helps me understand what menu settings cause exactly which pieces of personal data to be shared with which Apple services? I want to RTFM, and while I appreciate people wanting to be helpful, comment replies are not themselves documentation.
(I switched from Android to ios in 2020 and haven’t really figured out details beyond turning icloud sync off for specific apps. I’d like to add more devices and learn to trust that sync method but I don’t understand where crypto is used and how the keys are handled.)
Everything is encrypted with iCloud except for email and something else that’s obviously not encrypted that I can’t fucking remember.
iCloud encryption can be defeated with a server side key that’s used by Apple if you need to recover your account (so like you get your account hijacked or forget your password or something). Apple can be compelled by subpoena, like any other company, to provide the contents of your iCloud because they have this capability.
If you don’t like that, you can turn on advanced data protection, which deletes their server side key, generates new keys and re encrypts everything after you write down your special alphanumeric key without which your iCloud contents are inaccessible.
The security checkup in settings will let you figure out who has access to what.
I saw a comment somewhere that said: “people have been burnt by Microsoft too many times, while Apple still has a benefit of the doubt for many people in regards to privacy”. People still have some trust in Apple, compared to MS.
Edit: Found the comment by @[email protected]
If Apple announced Recall? Apple wouldn’t announce Recall, that’s the whole point. Apple wouldn’t be so brazen and stupid to push a tool that is so obviously invasive and so poorly implemented. Apple earned its trust by not making those mistakes.
But if they did decide to say fuck it and implement something like Recall, of course people would trust them. That’s what trust means: consumers take them at their word. But if it’s as bad as Microsoft’s Recall, Apple would burn all that trust when people found out.
People don’t believe Microsoft because they have long since burned any trust and good will for most of their consumers. They have proven time and time again they don’t give a shit about users’ wants or needs, and users have felt that. So when they announce Recall, they have no earned trust. No believes them. There’s no good faith to cushion this. And it turns out everyone was right not to grant them that trust.
