• blazera@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago
          1. You dont even like your candidate, why should i come to your side instead of you come to mine?
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              whichever side we support stands a chance of winning. They aint gonna compete in a game of skill in November, they’re gonna ask us who wins and we decide.

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                Yes, “we”, consisting of statistically significant factions of the voting population. Campaigns take time and money, neither of which any candidates besides the two front-runners have enough of to be competitive. They’re not gonna ask you who wins, you don’t decide. I don’t see 70 million Americans shifting to anyone else at this stage.

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                  you’ve got a paradox going where me supporting a better candidate is pointless because my vote is worth nothing and I cant change anything.

                  but also that I have to support your candidate because my vote matters if its for them.

                  my vote matters and I’m giving it to a better candidate.

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                    Don’t forget that it’s not ok to vote for your candidate because they don’t already have enough support, therefore there’s no way to ever reach the threshold where it’ll be ok to vote for them.

                    It’s only ok to vote for the neolibs that the billionaires approve after a promise that nothing’s really going to change.

                    Even in a state that’s so blue the Dems have no chance of losing, voting for or writing in someone left of the incumbent will still be deemed a vote for the red team.

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      yeah I’m forever voting blue no matter who. The republican candidate will always be a fascist. It will never end with Trump. It’s going to be fascist vs not fascist blue vote and I will eat whatever shit the blue vote shits out. More cops? I’m all for it, not a fascist dictator. Support Israel? Fine with me, not a fascist dictator. It sucks but that’s just America now for the next thousand or so years, fascism or something else. Better hope the something else isn’t closer to fascism than before or else you’re fucked.

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        You acknowledge that you’re voting for a slightly slower descent into fascism but that you’ll continue to do so?

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          You have a good point. Obviously we should vote for it to happen faster rather than try to use the slow descent to fix things.

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                And 5 month ago it was double that time and people already screamed that pointing out that an alternative to two genocidal geriatrics is needed were screamed down as being Trump puppets.

                We already wasted half of that time to find a solution with people being vigorously opposed to demanding a solution as they are afraid to lose the status quo.

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                    Declare to the Dems “I’ll only vote you, if you stop genocide, internment camps and start taxing the rich properly.” Then follow through with it. Already saying you dont want to follow through with it is telling them, that they dont need to listen to you. This is the only language they understand. Ideally look into organizing for a third party, so the Dems can be overtaken by a better third party which can take their place in the political system. The DNC has proven time and time again that they will be authoritarian and undemocratic to ensure no actually progressive candidate to make it into their leadership.

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          It’s more than yes/no to fascism.

          In a democratic political party you can influence the politics democratically. In a fascist party: Not possible.

          The country does not need to hit rock bottom before it can improve. It can be changed democratically from within if you allow it to by voting for anything but the party that will take away that possibility.

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            Why would the democratic party listen to anything you have to say if they know you’ll vote for them regardless?

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                Yes, by all means, exercise your right to vote as you see fit. But if the only way we can avoid fascism is by never losing an election, shouldn’t we be seeking better ideas and stronger protections from fascism now before that plan fails?