• SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
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      There’s no coddling fascists

      That was learned 2016-2020

      Now is the time to mock them and to let them know their violent rhetoric leads to them getting shot.

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      The people this is written for will never see it.

      That’s why I think this type of social media posting here is a waste of time. It is just preaching to the choir.

      I think people understand that social media platforms curate content for them specifically (" the algorithm" or “my algorithm”) but absolutely fail to understand that this is true for other people.

      This type of thing will not show up in the feed of desired audience.

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    Literally everybody is suffering and about to have a mental breakdown but some of them enjoy seeing other ppl suffer and that’s literally the only happiness in this land

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      Yeah. A comment that stuck with me is “the type that would happily eat shit just to make others smell their breath”. These types will suffer just so they can hurt others. They’re hateful as fuck

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      What an impactful post though. Or at least it is for the people that aren’t its target audience. 😬

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    That’s a rational question. Unfortunately it won’t get the desired result, because the target audience is not going to behave rationally:

    • The media that they consume is following the fascist playbook. They’re telling the audience that if things are not better yet, then it’s because there are others still left to blame, and the worse things get the harder those others are going to be blamed for it.
    • Even if someone moves past that propaganda, it’s been ingrained into them that to accept being incorrect is to admit failure. They’ve been primed to dig in and double down, lest their peers see them as a failure, or even worse as others.
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      So many “My business is failing because of tariffs. Those dirty foreigners!” and then follow up with “Sure, I’d vote for him again! I support what he does.”

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    She licked that donut that one time and I haven’t been able to let that go.

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      You lick one donut, you get ridiculed for life.

      You rape a bunch of women and children while committing financial crimes, you become President of the United States

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        Trump is still a million times worse, but she hasn’t only liked donuts.

        She literally stole a married man from his pregnant wife. Like he’s the cheater, but she’s clearly okay with him not giving a fuck about a wife and kid.

        Once again, Trump and Ariana are nowhere near each other in evilness, but she’s done more than lick some donuts.

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            I quite literally state that yes, he’s the cheater, and yet that she’s also okay with that fact.

            Knowingly going after a married person is fine now?

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              He could have just not cheated and the only problem would be her flirting with a married man, which happens all the time. All he had to do was turn her down.

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    Of course the answer is yes. They want the suffering. Everything else was just an excuse. They voted for the suffering of others, got the suffering of others, and are happy. Even if the price of groceries, gas, and everything else is higher, they don’t mind because they got what they really wanted.

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    Respect to her for being brave enough, as a public figure, and risking an endless torrent of backlash.

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    I keep asking the conservatives in my life this. Thanos snap, all migrants are gone, how has your life improved? The only straight answer I’ve gotten was a creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits. Their proof relied on an omission from their source about who is going to lose benefits. The cost of enforcement, detention and removal was outside the bounds of the original question.

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      creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits

      As anyone who’s ever seen a paystub can figure out, illegal immigrants pay for benefits (social security & medicare) they are ineligible to receive, ie, they subsidize everyone else’s benefits. Their payroll withholdings also pay taxes at all levels. So, I’m curious how they figure cutting those subsidies saves.

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      Thats not even including the tax revenue that’s lost since many pay income tax (with no representation or access to benefits) essentially propping the system up, in part, for everyone else. I assume they think they can make up the difference on tariffs (nevermind much of that cost is passed on to ordinary Americans)

      When the Ottomans took over Constantinople and the Eastern Roman Empire fell, they began charging steep taxes on goods travelling from East to West. The Portugese, not content with paying the tax, launched maritime expeditions to reach India and managed to find a direct route from Europe to India going around Africa’s Cape of Good Hope. This was the start of the Age of Discovery. Spain commissioned Columbus with the same goal and… well we all know where he ended up.

      The point being when you charge an egregious tax or tariff people find a way around you rather than going through you. America is likely assuming its in such advantaged position globally that it can get away with it, but history shows that no nation / kingdom can survive alone and when you try to fleece people, they will find a way to exclude you.

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        The Portugese, not content with paying the tax, launched maritime expeditions to reach India and managed to find a direct route from Europe to India going around Africa’s Cape of Good Hope.

        It’s worth adding that the Portuguese then took advantage of their stoutly-built, cannon-armed ships to loot and annihilate the existing shipborne traffic in the Indian Ocean. “Age of the Protection Racket” would be a better term than “Age of Discovery”.

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          Oh the first Portugese colonists including Vasco da Gama was inhumane monsters no doubt. The absolutely horrific, inhumane shit he did to take control of the Indian Ocean trade route makes him notorious.

          What’s funny is how little people in previously colonial empire nations know their own history. A lot of these Christopher Columbus-esque folk are lionized in the European nations they came from. Which is a pathetic lack of introspection for such a highly educated place, in my opinion.

          I mean humans have a great capacity for evil but European behaviour during the colonial era? Damn. Based on scale alone that has to be the benchmark for evil in the modern era.

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      The only straight answer I’ve gotten was a creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits.

      And let me guess: that doesn’t consider the increase in expenses going towards funding ICE…

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      how much the US would save

      Absolute speculation in response to a question about current state.

  • Soktopraegaeawayok@lemmy.world
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    Intellectually dishonest post. It’s expected though at this point, coming from the left.

    If you think creating answers to leading questions is anything other than dishonest, you’re kidding yourself…

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      Knowing that the answer to these questions is dissonant with your worldview, you choose to attack the form in which it’s presented instead. Let’s rise above that.

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      Explain. Detail for us exactly which parts of the post are dishonest, and how. Cite facts.

      Do it. I dare you.

      You won’t, though, because you can’t. You’re nothing but a troll spreading lies and you know it.

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        Ill try my best friend. The first paragraph makes all of these negative points then asks “has your life gotten any better”… that would be called “leading the witness” in a court of law. Not to even mention the use of shock value buzzwords like “violently torn” “blamed for virtually everything” “brink of collapse”… it all plays on emotion and is very cheap and phony

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          So you’re butthurt about her tone, but can’t refute any of her facts. Got it.

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            Butthurt? Lol no, again, I was merely pointing out the intellectual dishonesty. And I did. Never tried refute anything, buddy.

            Public school kids…

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          as a sacrifice to enrich the leadership class. have you asked any small business owners how they’re faring lately while corporations get personal perks using our taxes (as long as they make key donations to the right people?)? Follow the money. MAGA harnessed the anti-establishment right (tea party states rights libertarians) and successfully led them against their own values (personal autonomy, free speech, free market, small federal government).

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            Let’s see, my dad has been a small business owner for over 40 years. Im also a small business owner, and 2 of my 3 brothers are as well. Lol. Certain small businesses are hurting right now, but there also some doing great. Over all things are great. There are certain challenges though. Not going to argue with you

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      Intellectually dishonest post. It’s expected though at this point, coming from the left.

      What does Confirmation Bias mean, again? Speak up for the cheap seats.

      There is nothing this person writes that isn’t caused by the current administration and its rabidly bigoted xenophobes, no economic problem not exacerbated dramatically by the cruel and stupid decisions made by those in power, and no promise reviewed that wasn’t made during campaign and repeated a thousand times.

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        The impressive part is that they’ll still find a way to blame it all on the left, even if reality is in complete disagreement.

        That being said, I suspect the response you will get is: “that is all just a response to DEI, and wouldn’t have been necessary if it weren’t constantly pushed by the left”

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    Yes. They are happier.

    They aren’t interested in making life better for anyone. They want it shittier for everyone else rather than actually improve themselves so they don’t have exert any effort or make sacrifices. The suffering they do get from trump’s policies is unexpected or “worth it” to fuck over everyone else.

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        I don’t think their approval of trump is the same as their happiness level. They could think trump is stupid on whatever hotbutton issue there is, like social security, but be glad the “illegals” are being rounded up, the military is being sent to liberal cities, and the tariffs are “hurting” other countries.

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        These are not people locked in a North Korean prison, or Russian Gulag. They are not invalids or mentally crippled. The very few that are stuck in old folks homes where they have no say over the tv do not equal half the voting public.
        These are adults with access to the same information you have. They own homes and businesses, they have college educations, and they choose the channels they watch/listen. It’s been a decade since Trump was first elected, and in that time they have also elected and re-elected just an insane number of pedophiles and straight up grifters whose only sales pitch has been that they will make minorities and the people who like them, suffer. The all heard Trump praise Nazis, and declare that he wants to be king, and they didn’t blink an eye. However, they were also the ones to loose their fucking minds because Obama wore a brown suit, so they obviously have not only the ability, but the desire to raise their voices against the government.
        Stop condescending to Republicans. I know it pains you to think that Nana has a hateful side and would prefer not to have to drink from the same water fountains as those “darkies”, but as much as she loves you, she also hates someone else. She hates them enough to turn your future and all the generations that follow over to fascists who might just murder or enslave them. Even more importantly, she will do it again.

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          This is factually incorrect. If you want more information as to why, I’d recommend looking into news deserts. They do not have access to the same information we have, largely because local newspapers have died completely. I’d also recommend looking into the number of local news stations across the U.S that are owned and operated by Sinclair and Nexstar, as for many people they are their only local option for tv news. I don’t even really wanna get started on social media algorithms, but it is the main place these underserved communities get their news from now, and I shouldn’t need to explain the issues of that to a Lemmy user.

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        i agree. the only people that are happy are the ones that can say so because they are anonymous online, so it just seems like a lot. But if you walk around your cities and towns, you will notice a huge decline in trump flags and signs being up on houses now.

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          I am a construction worker in Texas. You are mistaken. I do agree that some light is starting to show through the cracks for people inclined to question what they have been told. There are plenty that are enthused about the actions being taken while simultaneously bitching about the state of the economy. Then they get mad and turtle up the moment you challenge their world view. I’m so tired of trying to rationalize people out of a position they didn’t rationalize themself into.

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      Over July 4th, I had a fun interaction with a guy running a firework stand in Indiana. I was out there visiting family, and my wife’s stepdad asks the guy at the shop if the tariffs are impacting him. His response:

      “It’s fucked!” Then republican brain kicked in “b b b but u know it’s worth it in the long term”

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      Exactly, it doesn’t matter if Trump’s administration makes life worse for MAGA supporters. He could make their lives a living hell for all they care, arguably they’re already there. His supporters just want to see people they don’t like get hurt. That’s it, they want to witness cruelty. Any conservative who didn’t jump off MAGA band wagon a long time ago has fully drank the cool-aid.

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      Think if they win, they manage to get into some sort space exploration, meet others. The first others they’d meet would laugh and subjucate Earth at best, destroy Earth at worst. That attitude isn’t tolerant with a big technology difference. Mean maybe they win the lottery and become the Cardassians from Star Trek or something, but doubtful. In the end there’s no upside to the hate, they’ll just be as miserable as they were with fewer people to blame it on. Maybe we need to teach mindful meditation to everyone you do get some perspective from that.