With the recent WWDC apple made some bold claims about privacy when it comes to so called Apple Intelligence. This makes me wonder if they did something to what Microsoft did with Recall feature, would people be less concerned and to an extend praise their effort?
Do you trust apple with their claims?
I found it really weird too, Microsoft pushing Recall, an AI feature, vs Apple pushing Apple Intelligence, an AI feature… and only Microsoft got backfired.
Recall was set to be default on for everybody and to record everything in a database which is trivial to extract data from.
There’s a lot of nonsense Apple is doing too (like the chatgpt integration) but they didn’t put keylogger into the system.
One records your every moment and was instantly exploited to get every piece of data you ever saw and the other does things when you ask it too and asks you before sending data off device. These are clearly exactly the same thing.
Hmm didn’t know iCloud was on device…
iCloud is a data backup system, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand
I guess I thought it was the primary data storage dump. My point is that your data is already sent before you had a choice.
yes lol. have you ever talked to apple fanboys? its a cult where the corporation can’t possibly be wrong.
they will justify with flimsy justifications and hold their ground that its actually the best use of ai just yet.
People.would be okay by getting fucked to death with a splintery rake if apple charged $999.99 for it.
I’m sure we wouldn’t stop hearing about how it was the right decision even if we weren’t having a conversation about it.
Do I trust them? Sure, I guess, when it comes to privacy from other entities.
Do I trust that I will have privacy from them? Hell no.
Do I trust them with the data they’re absolutely gathering? No, but I don’t trust anyone with it. But I also think that data would be relatively safer with Apple than their competitors.
If Apple announced Recall? Apple wouldn’t announce Recall, that’s the whole point. Apple wouldn’t be so brazen and stupid to implement a tool that is so obviously invasive and so poorly implemented. Apple earned its trust by not making those mistakes.
But if they did decide to say fuck it, and implement something like Recall, of course people would trust them. That’s what trust means: consumers take them at their word. But if it’s as bad as Microsoft’s Recall, Apple would burn all that trust when people found out.
People don’t believe Microsoft because they have long since burned any trust and good will for most of their consumers. They have proven time and time again they don’t give a shit about users wants or needs, and users have felt that. So when they announce Recall, they have no earned trust. No believes them. And it turns out everyone was right to.
Do I trust them? Sure, I guess, when it comes to privacy from other entities.
Do they not send everything directly to ChatGPT? Like, that logic is not broken with that for the Apple users?
They don’t, actually. Most of AI stuff is processed on device, few go to their private infrastructure, and only certain Siri requests go to ChatGPT, if you give explicit permission.
That’s cool, at least. I’ve never used Siri and never will, but maybe I’ll mess around with their AI if it’s fully on-device.
Based on their claims Siri also works primarily on-device. It wasn’t entirely clear if you can manually prevent the usage of their AI infrastructure, but they definitely implied it. So if that’s true, there’s no real reason to avoid just Siri while still using other AI stuff, cause they are one and the same. And since it runs locally, they can’t even store the voice clips.
I do also trust that Siri is all on-device! Otherwise it would work as well as its competitors hahaha. I just hate voice commands, and will never use them. I want to use my hands for operating devices.
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t on-device before. At least not all the time. But I have some good news for you, they added the ability to type your requests to Siri 😆
And to be fair, some certain things are definitely faster by voice than doing manually, like setting a timer and stuff. It’s just daunting when the assistant misunderstands you or takes ages to respond. If they fixed all that, it could actually be useful.
Apple now has encrypted iCloud backups so they can’t see what you backup to them. GrapheneOS is obviously better but for an off the shelf OS ios ain’t bad.
They have full control over your device. It’s the same for Whatsapps encryption, where Facebook can still access everything on your decrypted client.
Pretty sure it’s not the same at all but keep saying things brother
So you use Android? Or Huawei?
Surely not.
Probably an Android phone that has been degoogled or installed with another OS, is my guess.
I use GrapheneOS. What’s it to you?
This is always an interesting statement “i can check for my self” i know for sure that most users never checked a single line of code in the open source projects. Maybe you do but 95% do not and make this statement.
The 95% who don’t trust the 5% who do. If there is a backdoor in open source projects it gets known very quickly.
Apart from that, open source projects usually are not for profit, they have no reason to add random unneeded data collection features for example.
Bruh what even is this comment? Huawei makes sense, but what’s your deal with android? The whole point of android is that it’s customizable, if you want privacy there are more than enough options.
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creates privacy through taking power from the user.
What do you mean by that?
I’m pretty sure they mean how Apple won’t let you install 3rd party apps and stuff, under the guise of pRiVAcY.
Yes. Their privacy policy is very clear. They’ve put so much effort into providing privacy features, well before every other developer in the industry, that they’ve built their customer base on it. The class action suit that they would face for compromising that policy would be massive, and they would hemorrhage customers. They have strong financial reason to maintain their word. If you ask for your GDPR compliant abstract from Apple, it’ll only include your name, phone number, and billing address.
From a security standpoint, the privacy features are top notch. They use 256-bit AES encryption for iCloud, iMessage, FaceTime, Apple Wallet, Find My iPhone, HomeKit, FileVault, Secure Enclave, and now Apple Intelligence. Apple operating systems use a UNIX kernel design, keeping the application layer independent of the operating system layer, allowing full sandbox control and requiring user authorization for any API access.
Plus, nerds love to try and find chinks in the armor. In the event of the inevitable vulnerability, Apple is always quick to release a patch.
The class action suit that they would face for compromising that policy would be massive
Haha nah it wouldn’t.
and they would hemorrhage customers
I mean all of their competitors give zero fucks about privacy soooo no.
You clearly don’t know many Apple users.
Hi! I know many Apple users, and 100% of them bought it because “bro, it’s Apple”. It’s basically the “im not poor” message that the Apple logo gives. They don’t care about anything else aside that it’s Apple and it plays CandyCrush.
Sounds like you know a bunch of rich kids with iPhones. Recall is a Windows feature. I assume OP was asking about Mac users. The majority of Mac users are creators, who care very much about the privacy of their work.
“People” would be, yes. Apple is continuously praised by its rabid fans for engaging in anti-consumer practices disguised as “courage” or “security”. There will always be a very vocal group who believe it is the greatest, most humane and ethical company on the planet. Whether the same people who criticised Microsoft would be criticising Apple is another question.
Don’t care if it’s Apple, M$ or Google - non of them should do it that way.
I completely agree. I’ve started to migrate my work stuff to Linux to see if it will work.
I’m not hopeful that it will work, but the dev said I can try to use wine and that is not against their policy to do so and that I works but have to worry about an account ban.
So, let’s hope for the best.
I never bought any Apple product and thought they were overhyped, so it might be easy enough for me to say, but no, I personally wouldn’t have been Ok with it.
I can see more people begrudgingly using it if Apple did it though.
I don’t think Apple is planning that. For now they’re trying the approach to expose metadata like email headers to their AI, but that such data has been already accessible to the search functionality anyway.
It’s very different from Recall, which dumps screen capture of webpages and passwords into a database file that’s only protected by access rights.
Not your keys, not safe encryption. As simple as that
I’m not sure I would use a open source Linux version of Recall, I think it would be like always sharing/streaming your desktop, so I think
.bash_historyis enough recall for me.I would also allow an open source version of Co-Pilot because the AI snooping only happens within a single program.
In my opinion the problem is not who would agree/disagree with it, its more like the fanbase and marketing is on another level and most people would just not care as long as they have the latest iPhone with the latest buzzword functions and features.
I feel people are more forgiving towards apple. I dont have any study or anything to back it up, just can’t see why the die-hard userbase of the most isolated and curated ecosystem would care about anything.
No. The whole world turned against them in 2021 (I think?) when they were gonna have on-device monitoring for CSAM. They’d get run over by a bus for this too, same as MS.
It was a scan during upload to their cloud photos system. Everyone else does it on their servers, Apple was going to run the scan before so they didn’t have to ever have them. To not have images scanned before upload, a user would just not have to use their cloud photos service.
The messaging was really badly handled. They almost certainly just scan all the same photos on their servers instead now.
The perceptual hash algorithm was broken in hours, then so fully broken that modified images were visually indistinguishable from unmodified images, so you could send people images with hash values that match flagged photos.
Also, then there’s the thing of the risk of various jurisdictions pushing for adding detection of other banned content.
You’re saying this like Micro$hit isn’t just going to revert back to recall being opt-out (or non-removable) in a few weeks after the outrage dies down
