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The performative weeping and gnashing of teeth and soul searching from the Blue MAGA media has been sickening.
You really see who is who when you say you wish others like him also died.
The world is a better place when there are fewer horrible people in it.
That’s just math.
Addition by subtraction.
I’m glad Kirk is gone, I’ll never not be happy about that, I think it’s objectively good. But I think it’s still important to recognise that it’s very shitty that he did end up a miserable little cunt who was better off dead.
Mostly though, I’m just worried about how celebrating death makes it seem like a virtue we’d want or accept in a new society. Revolution at a necessary cost, don’t get me wrong, but we shouldn’t celebrate the cost itself. I think it’s totally okay to celebrate the end result, “the problem of Charlie Kirk is now solved” or something lol, but the method was both objectively awful and necessary.
Murder is a tool as all violence is, but we should treat as what it is: a horrible one we’re forced to use to attain liberation and thus ultimately a form of violence inflicted upon us. After a revolution, I think it’s best left behind in this shitty fucking world we all hate.
Regardless, get fucked Kirk, good riddance and rest in piss you slimey little cunt.
I’m not sad he’s dead. I hate how he died because it’s giving cover to their acceleration of their fascism.
Cover be damned they were gonna do it anyway. Unless you want to overthrow the government or abandon the democratic party for one that is actually willing to oppose fascism it won’t matter what cover they are given.
it’s giving cover to their acceleration of their fascism.
they didn’t need and don’t care about cover for what they’re doing.
Which is ridiculous because nothing has changed, they’re still doing exactly what they were doing when he was alive.
This idea that you can never do anything or the fascists might use it as an excuse to do what they’re already doing is one of the most infuriating thing about Americans.
This. Trying to be nice and quiet so they won’t keep doing what they always do is the mentality of a battered spouse.
They’re openly calling for the end to the 1st amendment now, and not getting pushback.
Yes, this was always the plan, but the assassination gives them.cover to do it now instead of doing it slowly over the course of years. That means that by the time the next election comes around, being a registered Democrat will get you on a terror list.
i think we were already well beyond “slowly, over the course of years.”
So WTF were leftists supposed to do instead? Have a psychic premonition that a deranged groyper was gonna shoot Kirk and jump in front of the bullet?
The fact they’ve turned MAGA on MAGA violence into a false flag against the left shows that they will use ANY opportunity to target political opposition and justify the accelerationism they were already doing.
They were probably expecting far more protests, and protest violence, by now against ICE, nat guard, etc. Might as well use MAGA terrorism to justify what they planned to do all along with ICE terrorism; potato, potatoe.
Not really. This has given the mainstream media cover to lionize and normalize his hate, and has muted criticism of further crackdowns the Trump admin is now planning. Yes, they were always going to try but this makes it more likely they succeed.
This has given the mainstream media cover to lionize and normalize his hate,
You mean like they’ve been doing for decades, since Trump was a TV personality? Trump has always been treated with kid gloves. He’s the dipshit who started the “birther” conspiracy against Obama.
No, the sycophancy for Charlie Kirk we’re seeing right now is unlike anything I’ve seen before.
Also, the media has frequently and harshly criticized Donald Trump, though we’re seeing less of that in term as he’s tightening his grip on power. If anything it would have been better to just ignore him and maybe he never would have gotten anywhere. But obviously that’s hindsight.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but this is not a new thing.
It’s not new but this is making it worse, that’s all I’m saying. Leftists are already widely maligned and feeding that fire is more dangerous than people want to admit.
I believe it was Mr. Twain with the bit about reading an obituary with pleasure?
-1x-1=1
Literally yes.
Some men improve the world only by leaving it.
What is this meme image from?
I think this is the original but its been like remixed tons of times
those “perfomative leftists”" are probably right wingers that are too embarrsed to be fully open with thier beliefs.
I don’t think it’s performative to want the bigots to become people that aren’t bigots rather than wanting them dead. I mean I’ll take dead over spreading the sort of hate he was in a case like that I guess, and I get that the later is something other people have much more control over than the former, but still.
Quothe Abraham Lincoln: I destroy my enemy when I make him my friend.
Should have befriended Mr. Booth
And then the rebels were pardoned and the whole “lost cause” narrative was allowed to take root.
You’re not wrong there.
I mean, that wasn’t Lincoln; that was Jackson.
Depending on how the coming crackdown they’re planning plays out, I am not sure it’s true we’ll be better off with him dead. This is the main problem with political assassination as a political strategy.
I think it’s important to keep in mind that the “political strategy” aspect of it doesn’t really apply since leftists didn’t do it and thus had no choice in the matter.
In fact, as far as political strategy goes, the only one on the table appears to be “blame the left for all violence anyway, even blatantly falsely.” Strictly from a game theory perspective, if leftists are going to suffer the negative effects anyway, they might as well commit the things they’re being accused of so they at least capture the positive effects too.
Fair but I’m speaking to the people who are here saying that we should do more of this kind of thing… perhaps including you? Whether the shooter was or wasn’t a leftist isn’t relevant to that talking point.
I don’t agree with the second statement. Some fools will believe anything but a lot of fence sitters who might defend us may not if we really do what we’re being accused of.
Hoping that the “fence sitters” will ally with us if we “act right” is as perfect of a self-defeating strategem as offing right-wing talking heads all over the place, methinks.
Public opinion matters. You don’t win political struggle without allies, and that means speaking to and persuading people who are not true believers. You don’t have to like it but you are going to have to contend with it.
Or don’t and lose. The left has been great at that for the past 100 years.
You don’t win political struggle without allies,
Fence sitters are useless allies… at best. When you need them, you’ll find them doggedly staying exactly where you found them the first time - on the fence.
At worst…
The left has been great at that for the past 100 years.
…you’ll discover what the left seemingly has to rediscover over and over again every damn time - fence sitters very rarely sit on the fence because they are undecided. Or, as Malcolm X put it…
The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox.
I mean fence sitter as in prospective supporters. Not people who are neutral between leftism and fascism (there are few such people).
I’m talking about people who will act as supporters sometimes and not at others. These people possess the vast majority of political power on the left.
What, because your preferred strategy of doing nothing is working so well?
Wake the fuck up.
I didn’t realize the only two options were nothing or pointless acts of impotent violence. Funny, for some reason I thought there were other possibilities but I guess I was mistaken.
You need to wake the fuck up and get serious about political strategy instead of just reacting emotionally to the news. You’re not going to assassinate your way out of this one.
That crackdown was coming regardless. Idk how to tell y’all any more clearly, but the fascists are going to escalate no matter what we do. Your options are to either fight back or roll over.
They decided a leftist killed Charlie before his body was even cold. Reality doesn’t matter anymore.
This has always been the Republican platform: “It’s all their fault!”
They just keep screaming it, no matter how much proof you may have that it’s on them. They know what they’re doing, they’re just lying. Like trickle-down. It’s obvious bullshit, but they’re more than willing to lie to enrichen their billionaire overlords.
As I said elsewhere I have no doubt they would try but this is allowing them to go further and muting criticism of their crackdown. It clearly increases the chances of success for their power grab.
I swear so many leftists have literally no understanding of politics or how public opinion influences political outcomes. It is maddening.
I never said don’t fight back. But fight smart. Killing Charlie Kirk isn’t fighting back, it’s just an expression of self-destructive rage from someone who probably wasn’t even a leftist.
Trump put a ton of troops into DC to “combat crime” despite it being lower than any time recently already. They don’t care about reality. This doesn’t really make it easier for them. If they needed an excuse, something was going to happen that they could use.
I agree people should be more focused on public opinion. That should be the primary goal. The more we can change that the better chance we have to accomish what we want. I don’t think this hurts that goal though; his death will be forgotten by most people in a month, along with all the other gun deaths in America.
Potentially it helps, though I doubt by much, because Kirk was capable of pushing this air of reasonableness with fascist politics. He cleaned up their image and made people feel like they could support Fascists and not be evil. Currently I don’t think there’s anyone else who fills this position. Almost all of the other are the “righteous rage” Fascists.
I never said don’t fight back. But fight smart. Killing Charlie Kirk isn’t fighting back, it’s just an expression of self-destructive rage from someone who probably wasn’t even a leftist.
It’s weird how you seem to be aware the killer wasn’t a leftist, but are scolding leftists for not “fight[ing] smart” anyway.
Because people here are trying to make this killing into some brave act of resistance when it clearly was nothing of the sort.
Interesting how opinion was different with Luigi
Kirk didn’t have enough power perhaps? Soft power sure but didn’t sign war treaties or insurance denials or vote in Congress or w/e. Maybe that changes the general perspective. Also compare disappointment at presidential assassination attempt. Neither Luigi CEO nor president incidents had many people here worried on their behalf
Well, my personal perspective on the two was similar and I got a lot of flak for it.
But from a broader perspective I think the difference is that partisan politics have become deeply associated with a personal, tribal identity. The reaction to Kirk has been different because conservatives feel personally threatened by his death. This fear makes them react much more violently. I think journalists have also amplified this because even if they are not on the same side, they rightly perceive that they could be next if this turns into a tit for tat exchange.
In contrast, while most people didn’t support the murder of Thompson it was more of an academic crime. They don’t identify personally with a CEO in the same way.
Plus Trump wasn’t president and he wasn’t able to fan the flames as effectively back then.
Why is this framed as a political assassination when fuckhead wasn’t a politician? He was just some asshole.
because the rich assholes behind all this mess own nearly all media outlets, the narrative must be controlled. hence recent move to try and censor various private companies whose lines of communication arent (as) under their thumb.
exactly. but we don’t have to call it a ‘political’ assassination. it was more like, some asshole getting shot because he was calling for violence.
he was the face of tpusa, definitely political…if he didn’t spread bullshit for a cpac he would still be alive.
Oh, sure I’ll take a nazi flipping 180°, I would prefer that cause the fascist would be horribly mad because of it, but a dead nazi is the next best thing. In the end none of us had any say in the matter.
“We have to not be like them, we have to be better and not go around celebrating death!”
Or something like that is what they say.
One Nazi killed another Nazi. We’re down not one, but two Nazis.
Lol the shooter was not a Nazi, where do you get your information?
He was a follower of Nick Fuentes. Pretty cut and dry.
A Pro-trans rights nazi!? I swear you people are Martians, with claims so bizarre.
So you have a source?
I have only heard rumors about that.
He literally wasn’t. All available evidence points to the shooter as being far left of Charlie Kirk, rather than to the right. I know you would love for that to be the case, but it was never a reasonable explanation in the first place.
K, I’ll bite… What’s your evidence…? Everything I’ve seen makes it seem like he was right leaning, if perhaps not full-throated maga.
You’re literally demanding sources while not sharing your own.
His text messages to his roommate are all over the internet.
Same old story; Nazis killing Nazis.
I don’t disagree, but I’m not white and I know for a fact that if I said something like that in public I’d immediately increase 10x the chance of getting shot by some unhinged white dude. In fact, a lot of the “he didn’t deserve to die” is not actually genuine, its more like a fear of reprisal since the US no longer has true free speech.
