I’m going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what’s right, what’s wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I’m an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there’s a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy’s pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I’ve seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what’s going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I’m genuinely interested in what you all think
It doesn’t say anything about our society. Wack jobs assassinating celebrities has gone for as long as our society has existed.
Charlie Kirk and his ilk thrive on pissing people off, that bit him in the ass.
Am I ok either way someone being murdered, absolutely not.
Am I mourning Charlie Kirk? Nope.
Couldn’t.
People get killed all the time, he isn’t special and you would be too emotionally drained if you got upset over every death that ever happened.
I actually don’t care about Kirk, or any murdered politician for that matter. I’ll laugh at the memes because comedy is pretty much all we have left to cope with the shit state of many things.
As a UK citizen at the ripe old age of 47, who has always been fairly left wing but has definitely become jaded with all politics and less engaged than ever, I can honestly say I’d never heard of the guy until this week.
However, from widespread media exposure this week, it’s hard not to conclude that he was basically one of the many grifters that seem to be riding high in the US. There seems to be club of them who disingenuously tap into the unfocused frustrations of many Americans, charismatically providing easy answers and appointing blame, seemingly motivated by nothing more than their own self-interest.
That said, I can’t take pleasure in seeing someone die. I haven’t and will not watch the video. I don’t think it’s a healthy to be entertained watching another humans life brutally end.
Here’s a timeline to consider
Trump dined with Fuentes - the groyper king. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825
Kirk urged trump to release the files and everything https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-files-update-charlie-kirk-trump-message-2099999
loomer (a groyper) says kirk is unloyal https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-laura-loomer/
I hold the following opinions
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political violence is probably a bad idea. this is for multiple reasons, one of which being that it usually doesn’t create the intended effects.
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charlie kirk might have been the worst piece of shit commentator of that era. i’m glad he shut the fuck up.
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there are a lot of political commentators like him. the benefit of having one less of them is overshadowed by the detriment of the reaction to a political assassination.
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his family is the absolute least of my concerns. i don’t think about them at all.
Fantastic take. No notes.
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It’s good entertainment.
As usual, morons on both sides of the fence miss the forest for the trees.
Charlie was a mouthpiece of the ruling class. His whole purpose was to sow division to distract the working class from how it’s being exploited by their rulers.
It’s good that he’s gone, because that’s one fewer distraction. It’s bad that people, on both sides, still don’t realize why it’s necessary for people like him to be gone.
We should also be aiming higher. The richer, the better.
I do think the very fact that he wasn’t so high up is probably a big contributor as to why people are so divided. I remember the sympathy for the United CEO being pretty much limited to talking heads and the other Billionaires.
We’re seeing much more vehement discussion on this one
The CEO was basically a nobody. A rich nobody, certainly, but a nobody. I didn’t know of his existence before he was killed, and I’m sure I’m in the same group as a majority of Americans and the rest of the world. Likewise, I don’t know how who replaced him. So why would there be division? You’ll get some objective, impersonal “He was a father and husband, this is terrible,” and some objective, somewhat more emotional “He made his money by refusing sick people care,” but there isn’t a lot of arguing because even though it was very real, it’s still in the realm of the hypothetical for most people. Even kids killed in a school half a world away is more real, and more emotional, for most people because they have kids, will have kids, or were a kid in a situation not too dissimilar, and it could have been them if not for their different circumstances.
This was a prime example of the phrase: “No humans involved”.
Nazis killing other Nazis is ALWAYS a good thing, something to be celebrated joyfully by all rational people in the world. And doing it without any collateral damage is a huge bonus.
At least someone is finally admitting that the far left are Nazis, but Kirk wasn’t even remotely a “Nazi”.
I don’t personally feel bad that he is dead. The world is probably a better place without him in it. However, I’m disturbed by how gleeful some people are about his death. It shows how callous and radicalized people have become. I know a lot of people will jump in and say it’s rhe right’s fault things have gotten so radicalized, but that’s missing the point. Taking a life should never be easy.
I mean, sure, it’s mostly edgy people talking tough online. Give them Charlie Kirk in a dark alleyway and hand them a gun and 99% of them wouldn’t pull the trigger. But that social media environment does produce killers, and the kind of people it pushes over the edge tend to not be very stable and their actions tend to be pretty horrific. Probably the most famous Lemmy user to date is the man who bombed the fertility clinic. Let’s hope it stays that way.
Change it to the middle of a forest with no one around for kilometers and that 1% might go a lot higher tho
I agree. This sort of violence should not be normalized.
I understand why some people feel the way they do, but I don’t think we want to set a precedent that murdering someone is fine, as long as you think their political actions are distasteful.
just because hes dead doesnt change what he said when he was alive politcal violence is bad but he wasnt a saint
I think the circumstances around his death were ironic - humourous even - but I don’t take any joy in politically motivated violence. When you respond to rhetoric you disagree with by being violent then you’ve lost the argument.
They killed the “lets talk it out guy”. They have no idea what theyve done
So what’re your thoughts now we know it was a far right extremist aka goyper who shot CK for not being far enough to the right?
Oh that’s right all you snivelling right wing lunatics crawled back under your rocks.
You guys need to stop spreading this bullshit. It was a young guy from a normal, good family who was radicalised by the far left. He was not far right or even middle.
You’re lying through your teeth to try and take responsibility off people exactly like yourself.
A self-elected mouthpiece that thrives on spreading hatred that has cause immerse damage and suffering for innocent people is shot by one of his own people. He died by consequence of the violence he was promoting against others.
The only ones I sympathise with are his children because they didn’t choose their parents and they will have his legacy on their shoulders. His wife and his friends and colleagues and his followers can go fuck themselves ass to eye with a spork.
shot by one of his own people
Charlie Kirk was a radical far left supporter of “antifa”?
I don’t support murder, but when people who do call for it like checks notes Charlie Kirk get murdered, I’ll enjoy the irony.
There are some people who the world would be better off without. Can anyone honestly say the US would be a worse place now if Trump had been killed instead of “wounded” at his own shooting?
sure is a waste of a bullet though, i could think of dozen more impactful people to off…like…just random example, did you know <10 individuals provide over 60% of AIPAC’s annual funding year-to-year?
and those 10 have a lot of crossover throughout the entire alt-right propaganda sphere, you remove those 10 people and “conservative america” is silenced overnight, as their spokesmens checks stop clearing
We need a national online forum. That’s my takeaway.
The radicalised left just killed the guy on the right who was trying to do that because they didn’t like what he said.
What do you think that would look like I wonder? I’m also trying to wrap my head around the logistics of it, it would need to be taxpayer funded because the very SECOND any sort of ad infrastructure gets implemented the whole system is fucked
