This is why I’m against extreme violence. “The Left” will end up like the Palestinians.
“More people will be murdered if the Left isn’t crushed with the power of the state,” Loomer added.
Even President Donald Trump blamed the shooting on “radical left political violence” in an Oval Office address Wednesday night.
William Wolfe, another Christian nationalist and a former Trump administration official, posted a video of the shooting with the comment: “The. Left. Must. Be. Destroyed.” In a separate tweet, he wrote, “The Democrats and the Left must be crushed. The goal for Republicans in the next ten years shouldn’t just be to win elections, but to destroy the Democrat Party entirely and salt the earth underneath it.”
mate, that was always the plan. they will take any excuse to move in that direction no matter what you do. there is no civility with fascists.
The left can sit in a corner and play nice. It doesnt matter, facists have to induce fear in order to gain control. They’ll manufacture it they have to.
Lol what could they have possibly put on the bullet casings to make somebody think this?
This false flag operation is insanely piss poor. It’s like they were all sat in a room and told one of them was going to be scarified to initiate a civil war and here is your rhetoric start immediately saying the exact same thing.
And who has the most to gain? Couch fucker picking off his presidential rivals…
I hope a trans person did shoot him and I hope they get away with it. Kirk made his living by terrorizing and dehumanizing queer folks and I’m happy he finally got to the FO stage. Hopefully seeing daddy get blown away will ensure his kid doesn’t grow up to be as bigoted and the lesson is learned.
I don’t. I hope it was a MAGA nutjob or similar so the administration doesn’t get a good boogeyman
Yeah last thing the trans community needs is a tangible reason for the admin to target them.
Oh Gods I hope this isn’t the case. The right would start foaming at the mouth and could start rounding us up as threats.
It’s also… a little ghoulish to speak about a kid losing their parent that way. Whatever you think of the man his kid’s grief isn’t exactly something to celebrate. I get not mourning the man but celebrating his death isn’t going to help us trans folks in the end. I have a feeling that this is going to get a whole lot worse for all of us as a people very quickly and as a whole we’re already a group hanging on by our fingertips.
Breaking News: the entire text of The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood was found to be engraved on bullet casings left at the scene, according to a source. So we should ban that book from all schools, fr fr.
Wait when did they find the weapon?? Last I heard they didn’t have the weapon and the 2 people they arrested were the wrong guy. So it sounds like the shooter didn’t leave the gun behind, so I would expect them to only get the weapon if they got the shooter unless I missed something between yesterday and today.
Recent reports indicate a bolt action rifle was found wrapped in a towel in the woods, one empty casing in the chamber, three more live rounds in the mag.
Utah has woods?!?
yeah the ones up by ogden are real pretty too
Yup. I live relatively close to this area, and there are plenty of trees. Why? Because it’s a university in a relatively densely populated part of the city (i.e. apartments for students).
I imagine “woods” is a bit generous here though, it’s more likely a copse of trees. There aren’t any real forests in the valley, but there are areas with a bunch of trees that someone in the desert would refer to as a forest. The real forests are in the canyons and on the east side of the mountains (i.e. Uintah Nat’l Forest, Cache Nat’l Forest, etc).
Utah being a “desert” is a bit of a misnomer. It’s not like the Arabian Peninsula or the Senora Desert, it just doesn’t get a ton of rain, and we get most of our water in the winter. But there are still underground water systems and of course municipal irrigation.
Huh, I haven’t been to Utah since I was a kid and just remember rock. Lots of rock.
A lot of the famous national parks are mostly rock (Zion, Arches, etc), but we also have a few national forests and the ski areas are all pretty wooded.
UVU campus is built into a hill, and many of the hills have a fair amount of trees, especially near the lake where the water table is higher (and UVU is only a mile or so away).
I grew up in Colorado, I should probably know Utah better than I do.
Sounds like Kash Patel watched JFK last night. Was the pristine bullet from a Mannlicher-Carcano?
In related news, doctors were amazed they kept pulling books and scrolls from the body, placed there by the bullets.
“It’s amazing” said the orange as quoted by the wsj, “apparently books like this can kill. I’m sure he could have survived the wound without the additional poisoning.”
In response to this, reaction forces were posed to raid the libraries of all elementary schools within the washington dc area
Suck my dick.
Buy me a drink first.
In this economy?
Yeah what the fuck. Just like Luigi’s alleged engravings. It doesnt make any sense beyond an emotional response. Why take the time to engrave something no one will see? Its going faster than the speed of sound.
Satanic Panic is back
Typically you would engrave the casing. That goes nowhere near the target.
So yeah.
The casing that the shooter took with them?
Why leave rifle full of them & not leave the one you fired?
This was a CIA or Mossad hit & the shooter isn’t even in the USA at this point.
The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered.
I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable.
Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact.It’s been debunked. It was a lying cop speaking to reporters that should have known better.
Then to the same degree, why engrave the evidence fo make it easier to track? It still doesnt make sense.
There is no tracking danger from engravings, other than establishing a message, and then seeing if future suspect might agree with the message.
In this case, it’s more likely that a fascist loving employee of fascism may want to project more ammunition for fascism.
So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it.
Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind.
“Clearly trained”. No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I’ve hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in).
I’m seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it’s a hard shot. It’s not.
Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home.
Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle.
an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far
A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional… He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it’s literally a feature of some casual gun competitions.
easier to track
Sounds like a feature, not a bug. What better way to stage a false flag operation?
I’m not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life.
Even more so, why mess with the aerodynamics in unpredictable ways? “I’ve trained for months to land a shot within a 1 square foot area from nearly a thousand feet away. Now to fuck with the bullet which is slightly off balance and might slide an inch off target, missing entirely.” What?
The casing doesn’t leave the rifle until you pull the bolt back.
The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible.
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Bruh. Too soon, man.
John Wilkes Booth?
Hehehe. Noice.
Not seeing other outlets report this. So yeah I’m skeptical.
The trashier ones reported on it, but then they’re not on the front page anymore.
Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b
It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:
Law-Enforcement Officials Sow Confusion on Manhunt for Kirk Shooter / Contradictory public statements risk undermining confidence in investigation, law enforcement veterans say
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooting-manhunt-e7f3eae4
So basically the federal agencies cannot be trusted here and have clearly shown their political partisanship and they got what they wanted in circulating their official false narrative to provoke political violence on the right against the lbgtq community and whatever the fuck they call the left.
Because that’s literally what they did, every right wing advocate for political violence has been clamoring about this non fucking stop and the government here has no shame about it.
2A up people, it’s going to get bad.
Ideology: fascism is bad, transgender people should have equal rights.
Not ideology: let’s kill everybody that doesn’t conform to our narrow minded idea of society.
Well there you go. Got the idiot’s hate pointed in the right direction and don’t have to give up the shooter. Oh and Trump was an Epstein informant.
Total BS. Engraving on a small, curved surface, legibly is hard as hell. Then that bullet is going to get grooved in a rifled barrel, and most likely deform or fragment on impact.
We should probably be talking about how Trump used a fucking AI video to address Charlie Kirk’s death. There’s a good chance Trump is doing this as a false flag
Be careful about spreading the AI story. I view it as debunked unless you’ve got something better than this exchange:
None of those comments offer anything to suggest its not AI. To me its very clearly ai. Trump these days cannot speak properly and in that video he speaks clear and consistent and uses no hand gestures. He also looks younger and the video is low rez.
False flag is exactly what this is.
I’d be shocked if this wasn’t a decision directly from Trump and his magat minions they follow him around to distract from Epstein and further slide America in the hell hole of fascism that it’s facing.
Hurry up Americans. You won’t have an America soon at this rate.
Line item number 2.
No way in fuck they purposely had Kirk assassinated.
- His job as a propagandist / hate spreader is way too important and influential to stop
- they could’ve martyred a similarly famous, but less influential, republican and gotten the same response
- they’re going to go forward with their plan- they don’t need an excuse
- this happened in a red state, why wouldn’t they pick a blue state?
- I really don’t think Epstein files matter that much for republicans. A video could come out of Trump raping a child and it would be chalked up to ai and they wouldn’t believe it
- the news cycle is so short- this won’t remain a hot topic for a long amount of time
It’s a convenient distraction, sure, but it’s been proven time and time again that they don’t need distractions to carry out policy. If there’s any conspiracy to be had, it would be surrounding the (relatively) unanimous rhetoric that his death was a tragedy. When kids die in Gaza everyday, a regular citizen is shot, or someone kills themselves because of financial strain we don’t debate the morals of their unjust death. However when a famous white man is killed he isn’t just a statistic but an example of how awful people can be.
I doubt it too, but you are exaggerating this man’s importance and influence to an absurd degree. He’ll be replaced by another grufter in weeks.
I think Kirk was a major reason for an uptick in republican youth voters because he was so famous on social media. I’ve noticed young men my age, who vote democrat, like a reel featuring Charlie Kirk because he “owned a silly lib” in an amusing way. His job was touring college campuses- upon invitation from college students- to spread hate and try to convince young people that their politics and identity were wrong.
I would compare him to Andrew Tate because they spread a relatively similar sermon of hate and individualism, but Tate isn’t a political activist. He doesn’t bring people to the polls like a Charlie Kirk can. Another comparison would be Trump, but Trump can never relate to the youth because he’s still just an old man.
I agree he’ll get replaced and this won’t really slow down the machine, but the man had quite the impact on young people.
You’re one level too low.
You’re giving Israel the type of credit they want bruh. They are not running a world control conspiracy 😭 They don’t have power over the USA, the USA wants a colonial presence in the Middle East and supporting Israel is the easiest way to do it. Yes Mossad gets up to fucked up stuff, but they are not about to murder famous American political figures and face the repercussions.
What does Netanyahu tweeting even mean as well. He’s not giving you a hint into some grand conspiracy that would require countless lies and people involved. That line of thinking is the same bs that the alt right falls for
Yeah, but on the other hand, cell phone bombs, followed by pager bombs, and hacking the air gapped Iran centrifuges, literally selling the software to hack into any phone…
Yeah those are all things USA and other western powers want to invest in but don’t want to get their hands dirty with. They could put a stop to all that or do it themselves but don’t want to
the USA wants a colonial presence in the Middle East and supporting Israel is the easiest way to do it.
Hey Joe Dirt! Do you want or need a colonial presence in the middle east?
uhmm… no, why?
Because Israel wants us to, and it will serve our homegrown neo-nazi supremacist agenda.
uhmm… Brandyyyyyy?Controlling middle east oil is easier with Zionazi supremacist rule over US, and laundering election funding through state gifts to Israel. But Jordan, KSA, and other US colonies would have an easier time receiving US bribes of friendship without Zionazism.
Yeah, agree. They could have offed Laura Loomer for a tenth of the price and worked just as much viral juice out of it.
Besides, i really don’t care, do u?
If it was engraved, it would be on the casing, not the bullet. I imagine many journalists don’t actually know the difference, and most readers probably wouldn’t as well.
That said, I agree, I don’t see why the shooter would spend the time. If there were any markings, I’m going to guess they’re permanent marker, because that’s way easier to do.
My money is on this being completely bogus. I believe they found the rifle (first rule of murder school is to not bring the weapon with you), but I do not believe they found engraved bullets, because that’s kind of ridiculous.
They’re almost certainly saying bullet but meaning casing. But yes I have to say that it’s pretty unlikely.
Sounds like they’re saying the un-shot ammunition found with the rifle had the engravings. If I’m mistaken on that, could you please link to where they’re saying bullet specifically?
Still, as someone who’s tried to paint tea cups, have to agree, curved surfaces are a bitch to mark legibly (probably harder on the smaller surface of a bullet casing).
No good marksman is carving anything on a bullet or casing. You want it to work. Carving the bullet means changing the ballistics, carving the casing means potentially making the round not chamber or having a misfire from a busted casing.
It’s most likely a bolt action rifle, there’s nothing to chamber here…
I think I know what you’re driving at, but first let me address what you actually said real quick. A bolt action rifle does absolutely have a chamber, the chamber is the rearmost part of the barrel where the round sits and is held in place before firing. Its fitted to the specific round that the gun is designed to use to create a gas seal to ensure the projectile can be propelled down the barrel.
What I believe you were driving at is that, due to the chambering mechanism on a bolt action rifle being manually operated, as opposed to relying on the recoil action/gas discharge of the firearm to drive the bolt back and a spring to drive it forward, means that it less likely to jam or fail to seat. This is true, for a variety of reasons, but a bolt action rifle can jam, especially if you go futzing around with the casing or the projectile. You’re less likely to see a stovepipe, I’ve only seen it when the case managed to fall back into the action instead of being ejected off to the side, but a complete failure to eject, a failure to seat or even a double feed are all possible ‘jams’ with a bolt action rifle.
Any idea what could cause a bolt to fly back when fired once and function properly in the future? We were all stumped
I can think of a few possible but highly unlikely scenarios for a typical bolt action rifle to do this, but nothing that would be easy to duplicate. Generally the bolt handle will be at least passively ‘locked’ in place by the geometry of the bolt and rifle, and sometimes actively locked in place. If the bolt handle isn’t fully seated, there really shouldn’t be a way for the firing pin to release. Wear and lack of maintenance could cause an issue like this, but I would expect the incident would be repeatable.
Pretty much the conclusion we came to, buy a lottery ticket it’s more likely.
This is true, for a variety of reasons, but a bolt action rifle can jam, especially if you go futzing around with the casing or the projectile.
True, but you’d really need to jack up the engraving to get it to jam, and in a case like this, you’re unlikely to need or want a second shot anyway. The only real reason to bring multiple rounds is in case of a misfire (unlikely to be caused by an engraving), because once you fire, you’re running if you want any shot of getting away. So it getting stuck ejecting isn’t really an issue, and that’s already an incredibly remote chance.
And I don’t understand how you’d double feed here. The shooter obviously had some training and was only going to take one shot anyway.
Engrave too deep and you will get a misfire. If you want to put a message on your casings, better to use a sharpie or paint pen.
Aint nobody gonna engrave a bullet casing with anything outside of manufacturing environment. Anyone with that capability isnt doing it for free either
Man, you can just scratch metal. Engraving only takes a steady hand.
“antifacsist ideology”?
So, what…an American Flag? Right? Right…?
Yeah, what is antifascist ideology? Like, equal rights, being nice,… That kind of stuff?
And transgender ideology? What is that? To be nice to transgender people?
And transgender ideology? What is that? To be nice to transgender people?
If I were to frame it in terms of an ideology - that we should be allowed to pursue happiness and comfort aided by the backing of scientific evidence to ensure we are safe. That our lives not be rendered into terms where reproductive function or lack thereof dictates how we must live our lives.
And that while we do not demand full metaphysical submission of belief of other people that we are our gender it should be acknowledged that our social engineering mechanisms are a kindness that allow us greater room to psychologicaly function. These absences of accommodation in professional situations or public design causes either our livelihoods or accessibility to spaces or facets of society to become hardships above and beyond the average citizen.
I personally do not care if someone is “nice” to me or not. I care about being able to leave their vacinity if they are being an ass and that my safety and job security isn’t effected by me being trans.
How very radical.
My guess is “FU Nazi!” A colleague guessed the peace symbol ☮
