Bernie sanders with AOC as his VP pick
Biden is too old but you want to pick Bernie? I love the guy and donated to his campaigns, but he is not the Biden replacement.
Old yes but still on his game, which is all that matters
Yes, but also no. The whole point of switching from Biden is to disarm the “too old attack.”
Bernie is only 4 years older than trump. Tbh, they all should have retired years ago, but crying about age while supporting a senile geriatric is just as baseless as the rest of their grievances.
You’re not wrong. But Trump is far more coherent than Biden. It’s all lies, but they were coherent lies at the debate.
Trump has never been coherent, not once in his life.
Remember this?
“I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things. I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff.”
— Donald Trump, March 16, 2016, after being asked who he consults with about foreign policy
Or this?
“My uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart. The Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”
Yet Biden was so bad that Trump was far more coherent than Biden was. That’s how bad of a candidate Biden is.
Yeah traitors want to argue the rest of us don’t want nazis
I mean, ultimately, I’m voting for whoever the democrats put on the ticket for that very reason. However, I would really like to see someone who has a chance of winning be on that ticket instead of just watching the train wreck happen in front of us.
i dont want someone that old either. unfortunately, he is most likely to beat trump. can’t see harris winning cause she is a woman and a minority and this country is still very racist/sexist. i also predict biden would step down shortly after 2nd term. worst case of biden winning is he dies in office of old age
Worst case of Biden is him losing like the polls indicate. Harris is not a suitable replacement either like you said. But there are plenty of others.
He’s still sharp, and there’s literally no one I trust more to do the job tbh.
You’re kidding yourself if you think he’s still sharp.
I’m curious who Bernie would pick.
Gretchen Whitmer.
Garlin Gilchrist is way more pro transit and would be great for Michigan.
elizabeth warren
Michelle Obama would honestly just win by default, but I’d probably pick Whitmer realistically.
I got another message. This one I picked Whitmer.
I want to get off mr bones wild ride
Why the fuck is Michelle Obama even in the list?
Can’t have america without political dynasties
Seriously. Even here on Lemmy people are suggesting her. I think she’s an awesome person but what makes her even remotely qualified to be president other than being married to a previous president? When I see shit like this it just reminds me of Hollywood and their insistence on rebooting anything and everything familiar to the populace whether they want it or not. If they’d more consistently won it’d be Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Obama spanning the last 40 years in a country with 330 million individuals.
Whatever it is, it’s more than trump has.
To be fair, being married to a previous president is more experience than most people have.
It would also be a hilarious kick in the teeth to Hillary if Michelle got elected.
Because it is all to separate voters. Divide and conquer. The only and is Biden. Biden or war.
As a non-USAmerican I only know Michelle Obama from that list. But if you want real change and young voters, get AOC on the ticket. I bet you that’ll wake people up. She’s media savvy and could probably get the entire tiktok+insta viewership to campaign for her. The facebook folk probably less so, and the redditors 50/50. She would need a male vice president though. Two women in the US ain’t making it this year.
But honestly, I want Trump to win. The world needs a good shake up and divorce from the USA. New alliances have to be made and the reliance on US tech and media has to stop. I know it would hurt USAmericans, but it’d be the best for the world to stop following the USA as if hypnotised.
Already happened 2016. It was awful. Hoped we’d never be here again.
Unless you’ve been hiding under a rock, you can see its influence spread over the globe. Germany recently voted hard right. Israel is a genocidal shithouse. India is Modi’s Muslim hate factory. All strutting the Putin way: oligarchs ruling & fascist division of the people spread with propaganda (RT, Fox news, Facebook & twaXtter).
Do you seriously think that was Trump? Nah dude, that was US media that has been infecting the world since the second world war. After Europe collapsed, the US swooped into the void and filled it with media portraying themselves as the victors and saviors. It spread USAmerican tribalism far and wide.
Then social media came along and Europe still hadn’t caught up nor recognised the power of media. Investments in film, TV, music, and internet were, and still are, ridiculously small compared to US investments. The internet just helped US media percolate deeper into European society. Now it’s on everbody’s phones and is an endless barrage.
Of course fossil fuel companies have a large role to play too. They helped mold a world focused on their product, which fucks up the environment. And tech companies play an even bigger role today, exploiting poor countries that were kneecapped by the US by destroying their democracies (or attempts at democracies) decades ago.
People want to flee and Europe comparatively easier to reach than the US, so they tried and still try to escape their situations. That of course gives right wing parties fodder to spread their hatred and blame a defenseless scapegoat.
I’m not saying the US is the root of all evil, I’m saying they play a monumental part in it. Trump is just an accelerator to a possible decoupling of Europe and other economies from the US.
We all know the DNC is controlled by corporate interests. They aren’t protecting the population. All they are protecting is their investments. Had they cared about the people, they’d never had thrown their support behind a second term for Biden. He too old 4 years ago and is way too old now. If the vote is won by a democrat, and that will only happen if the DNC takes a fucking stick out of their ass and force Biden to drop out ASAP, that will just mean another 4 years where the US can keep semi-good relations with the world. The world won’t have a reset button.
You’re delusional if you think it would only hurt Americans. America would become EVERYONE’S problem in a big way.
I doubt they can become a problem in 4 years. Come election time (2028), there will be a civil war and it’ll implode as Trump tries to hold on to power and become president for a 3rd time. He’s unpredictable, but one country against the world? They lost countless war games.
Yeah I can’t think of any potential problems if the world’s second largest nuclear arsenal, and two largest air forces fell into Christian Nationalist control led by an erratic strongman. 🤦
I didn’t say there wouldn’t be problems 🤨 There will be, but we’ll come out of it better than before. The rest of the world that is. The US, not so much.
Its a coming to Jesus moment for party centrists about being so historically wrong they’ve been about everything, this entire time. And this is them trying to make up for it in rapid time. This is them realizing they don’t and didn’t know what the fuck they were doing, ever.
Real answer: We should nominate whoever is most likely to win. The most important and only point is that we need to beat Trump, and we need to stop project 2025. Keeping Biden as the nominee has continuously fucked over our ability to fix this idiotic and stupid unforced error, but here we are. We can fix this.
I think the most electable combination is Kamala + 1. I think that + 1 should be either farther to the left or farther to the right, but regardless you need to get a demographic. The two best options are AOC and Andy Beshear. If you go Andy Beshear, you are trying to pull off NC and GA, and PA. If you go AOC, you are doing so to recover the upper midwest. Andy Beshear is the harder path in an extremely polarized environment; Democrats have been notoriously bad at clawing back votes in southern states. If you go the AOC route, you let her take an oppositional stance on Israel/ Gaza and claw back MI/ MN/ WI.
AOC is a lightning rod for conservatives, moreso due to sexism imho than her politics because she gets way more hate than Bernie even though they’re politically very similar. She’s not a good choice just because of that. I don’t think the general population of the US is ready for two women on a ticket, esp two women of color. Could make an exciting ticket in the way Obama was, but only if Kamala proves to be as engaging of a speaker. Which, honestly I think she’s a good orator but a lot of people will have trouble seeing past the fact she is a woman, and Kamala will unconsciously or consciously have all the usual biases against women in power (bossy, crazy, etc).
I honestly had no idea who Beshear is but just looking him up, I think he’d be an okay pick. Looks like a boring white guy, has solid liberal track record. I feel like a white guy who supports Palestine would be better, Kamala has a lot of pushback from leftists from her time as DA in CA. Idk who that would be.
This hand wringing around what “conservatives” want is not a way to decide who the Democratic nominee should be.
She’s not a good choice just because of that.’
If anything, having them as a lightening rod to be able to put the racism & sexism of the republican party on full display; there is narrative power in that.
You put AOC on the ticket and you let her step left on Gaza/ Israel.
You make the ENTIRE campaign about abortion rights and a woman’s right to choose. Get back to the progressive roots that underpinned the platform that got Harris/ Biden elected in the first place. Activate a base around specifically abortion rights and I think you get this thing in the bag. Women right now are incredibly disenfranchised by the shockingly weak way in-which Biden has responded to the overturning of Roe V Wade. This is a chance to activate the singularly largest voting block there is in the US: Women. And they overwhelmingly support a womans right to choose.
VP’s are notoriously bad at “getting” their states. Beshear is the soft answer and MSNBC is test-ballooning this right now.
If Andy Beshear “gets you” KY, he’s worth it. If he can’t get KY (and really also GA, and NC), he’s a waste of space. But maybe he can do it. I just don’t see any other conservative Democrat who can fit that bill right now.
I think the double woman ticket leaning into the only thing thats worked for Democrats in 20 years, progressive idealism, is how you lock things up.
I’m not talking about catering to Conservatives, I’m talking about the cultural campaign of meme-ification of AOC that conservatives have been waging for years, that could be convincing to moderates and moderate Democrats.
The only successful Democratic presidential candidates in the last twenty years have been Obama and Biden. Obama won because he has a lot of natural charisma, and came along with a story of having our first black president. Biden won as a reaction to the first Trump presidency. Neither were really particularly idealistic Democrats… Obama did not even express public support gay marriage when he came into office, he had pretty centrist positions overall and gave off an idealistic message with campaign art, speeches and slogans, but his actual policy was not especially progressive.
So Obama won as a biracial black man with the conservative stance against gay marriage, and overall very center-liberal politics, but flashy idealistic messaging.
If progressive idealism had been working, we would have had Bernie presidency by now tbh
I just to be clear, you are arguing that Obama didn’t campaign as an idealist?
Not how he governed, but his 2008 campaign. You know, the one where he delivered the famous acceptance speak “The audacity of Hope”. You know, the campaign with these posters:
Your saying this wasn’t a campaign based on idealism?
Not how he governed to be clear, where I agree on your evaluation of Obama’s alignment; but his 2008 campaign.
Obama didn’t win 2008 on centrism or being against gay marriage. He won 2008 in spite of those things.
I think I was pretty clear saying his campaign was based on the idea and image of idealism, but his politics did not reflect that, not his actual politics or his promised politics in 2008. You’re showing me this poster as if I didn’t directly mention the art and sloganing as a major reason for his win.
AOC may have idealistic policy positions, but her public image is so meme-ified I don’t think she could successfully do the Hope thing that Obama did. Obama was much less well known of a politician when he ran.
I think you are muddying the water between campaign/ candidate Obama that misrepresents the fact that he campaigned as a progressive idealist, and it worked to get him into office. His platform was a very progressive platform that he did not govern to; this has been brought up repeatedly as an issue with Obama and was brought up when he was campaigning for a second term.
I think it’s utterly disingenuous to present the Obama 2008 campaign as anything but a campaign focused on progressive idealism even if it was more of a show than how Obama ultimately governed.
Correspondingly, Bidens 2020 platform was maybe the most progressive platform any president has run on since Jimmy Carter, and it was a horse trade that got him Sanders voters and effectively the election.
Feel like I mentioned again and again that I’m talking about his campaign politics. I took a look at his 2008 campaign policies to see if I was misremembering anything and it’s pretty centrist to me, even his health care plan. And like I mentioned, he explicitly did not support gay marriage which at the time would have been an easy progressive signalling, but he either truly opposed gay marriage or he was trying to cater to a broader audience.
Like I said, he had a convincing image of idealism but not the politics to back it up, and you are saying AOC could win because she has progressive politics. She would need the flashy campaign to back it up, and so many people just hate her I don’t think it would work.
Anyway I’m just saying the same things over and over again in different wording and it’s getting tired, respond if you want, idc, but I’m going to stop here.
MN hasn’t voted republican in a presidential election since tricky dick in 1972. There have been a few close calls.
MN Polling: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/minnesota/ MN polling at a toss up (keep in mind Trump almost always outperforms his polling).
Another fun one, Jersey is now a swing state: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/new-jersey/
Your comment about “claw back” implies that the dems lost MN. You can’t claw back that which hasn’t happened yet.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2020/minnesota/
Minnesota 2020.
Dems up by 10, and polling 15 pts ahead of where they are polling today.
Dems only won MN by five points on election day. Anything close to a tie in polling for Dems is an L.
Yes. It’s a correct statement to say that Dems have to have to claw things back to win MN.
Other
Pete Buttigeg/AOC dream team.
Young, wicked smart, progressive enough.
The McKinsey consultant? The guy managing the Boeing stuff currently? I guess he couldn’t be too much worse than the current situation but why would you proactively choose him?
Because he could talk his way out of a pair of handcuffs and a locked cage, and I think we need someone to highlight the stupidity coming from the right and he can do it. Let AOC be the power behind the office and keep him in line.
Pete Buttiegieg
✅ Military experience
✅ Governing experience (if you can be a community organizer, peanut farmer, or reality TV star, being a mayor is absolutely legitimate experience)
✅ Federal experience
✅ I’m gonna say it- in hindsight he managed the rail union strike amazingly well. He avoided a supply chain catastrophy, then a few months later got the union the sick time they need
✅ Medicare for those who want it is a realistic plan. It’s it perfect? No. But it’s better and more importantly can pass through Congress.
I fully expect comments to fully support this take without any criticism for a center left candidate who doesn’t plan on tearing down capitalism brick by brick./s
I dunno. He seems kinda Cunty In Allegiance.
All of that and he does SO much better than any one else I’ve seen on interviews. If he isn’t president this year he’ll run in 2028.
Also, I’m gonna say it, I’d love to vote for a gay man. I’d love to see the GOP desperately try to bite their tongue knowing that the overwhelming majority of Americans wouldn’t support them saying “don’t vote for the f*****” which we all know they’d want to say so damn hard. You know they’d end up slipping up and showing their true colors which could help turn people away.
You forget that half of the GOP are closeted, self-loathing homosexuals.
Oh absolutely. We need an inspiring queer leader to mark a new era, where young LGBT children can grow up knowing they have a future in our country, and a future at all.
Unless they run another primary, Kamala is the best choice IMHO. Already tied to the Biden ticket, so it would feel less like the DNC is hand-picking whoever they want as a candidate. She polls well. Can get creative with the VP.
Mark Kelly
John Cena.
After he apologized to the CCP in Mandarin?
Please don’t make this turd president.
Come now, that’s just proof of international goodwill and diplomatic accumen. We should all be kind to each other.
Also, being a polyglot is something to always be admired.
Ah yes, Zhong Xina
Haven’t seen him campaigning /s
He heh.
I would unitity, not division
Like Cyclops, Unitity is an interesting mythical character: one boob.
I also like unity.
Harris would be the only pick that would prevent the Supreme Court from installing trump as dictator.
