Hello again Lemmy! I have another question.
Context: I took a motorcycle safety class, was nervous but enjoyed it, researched motorcycles, found a few I liked, talked to a dealer about them but ultimately, I couldn’t finalize a deal, talked myself out of it basically
I was curious how others might justify a purchase that has no purpose other than wanting something.
For clarity, I don’t need anyone to justify me buying a motorcycle. I want to read about your thought processes for buying something you want 🙂
As always thanks for replying and have an awesome day/night!!
I’m a nut for buying crappy, used guns. All I see is an opportunity to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. I’m like that with many used goods. “What can I do with this thing?!”
Dialed it in a bit. Now I stop and think total cost of ownership. And that can be applied to many purchases. I’ll talk guns, but keep other sorts of items in mind.
How much will the initial spend really cost? Taxes, fees, shipping, etc.? Was looking at a $105 shotgun just now. Total delivered cost? $150 or so. Yeah, not such a deal with that in mind.
What do I need to go with it? Ammo I don’t have? Scope/sights? Sandpaper and stain? Sling? Butt stock pad? What will I spend to get this gun where I want it?
Bought a new, single-shot, 12-gauge Hatfield shotgun off guns.com. $129.99! I can do that! Taxes and shipping, another $20. FFL fee, another $20. Red dot sight with mount, another $130 (stupid cheap, but believe it or not, it’s quality). Strap and shotshell holder I made from spare parts I already had, still, another $25 bought new. American flag patch nailed upside down? $2. None of this includes cleaning and oiling supplies. A $130 shotgun cost me $327. Not adding anything for stain and sandpaper and such. Also, added a butt pad I already owned. Call it $350 and several nights of work. TCO was 2.7x the initial price.
So that’s my thoughts. Total Cost of Ownership. Keep it in mind.
I like the TCO angle. I did some of that when thinking about a motorcycle. It’s not just the motorcycle itself. It’s not even just the taxes, tags, etc.
It’s locks, covers, spare parts, trailer (if it breaks down), crash guards, other riding gear, etc.
While it’s not fundamentally bad, a lot of folks may not consider the “all in” price.
Great point and thanks for the response!!
I have actually found valid reasons to own a motorcycle:
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any trip on the bike is 60 % less gas than by car
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my occasional commute from rural to city: car needs to be put in a garage for 25 € / 8 hrs. Bike rides up the elevator to the office, free.
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riding saves up the car for the winter, when it’s most needed.
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bike maintenance is cheap and diy-able.
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the pleasure of riding: priceless.
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That’s what Xmas is for. Being asked what I want by family is frustrating because I don’t really want things, and few things I do, I just buy.
So anything I might like but can’t justify buying goes into the Xmas list for other’s to buy.
Hmmm 🤔 I wonder if I could get my family to buy me a motorcycle?! I’ll have to think about that one.
Agreed though, any gift giving holiday is probably a good way to get something you may not buy for yourself. This is a good approach.
Thanks for sharing you thought!!
Motorcycle might be hard, through they might contribute.
You work your whole life to be able to afford a little frivolity. If you’re just going to stand in your own way to deny yourself all but the essentials, that’s no way to live.
We just met on the internet… how do you know so much about me already?? 🤨🤣
I do understand where you’re coming from. The is probably the right answer.
Thank you so much!!
I ask myself: can I afford it? Do I already have something similar? Do I see myself using it often? That last question is where you need to be honest with yourself, because it’s easy to find yourself neglecting a new purchase after the initial excitement wears off.
Depending on what the item is, you can sample or borrow/rent it to see if it sticks. You can also set a “waiting period” for yourself, and buy it if you still want it after that period ends. Sometimes the craving passes by then.
You have to find pleasures in life too, so if you can fit it into your budget and think you will get good use out of it, why not get it?
You have a nice day/night too!
That last question truly is the one that I get stuck on a lot. I think I will, then I don’t. Then I feel bad.
The waiting period is definitely a good thing.
Finding in pleasure in life is important for sure. We should be spending as much of our time as possible doing just that!!
Thank you for the response!!
I usually go with “Third time’s a charm”
If I think about wanting it once, I tell myself not to do anything rash.
The next time I think about wanting it (at least a day after the first time) I research, look at prices, get an idea of what I’m looking for and what models would work best for me.
The third time, I dig out the research I did before, check to see if prices have changed, and if I have the money available, I’ll probably do it.
Self enforced waiting periods have talked me out of a lot of impulse buys that I probably would have regretted.
I like this approach! Similar to some other comments as well. I think we all get a little excited about the prospect of something new and we can be a little rash in our judgement.
I purposely left my wallet in my vehicle when I talked to the dealer so I didn’t do anything out of impulse.
Appreciate you sharing!!
There is no need to justify anything. It is your money.
If you can afford it and it’s something you think you’ll enjoy, go for it. In the case of a motorcycle or similar item, make sure you can also afford insurance, maintenance, etc.
True, all hobbies will have some additional costs to go with them. I did the diligence of creating a list. But, there’s probably a few things I forgot.
Definitely a comment folks should take to heart. Thank you!!
A friend of mine retired and later told me he has too much money saved and he wished he had spent it more when he was younger.
I know several people in the exact opposite situation though, which is rough to put it lightly.
A happy medium might be to think of retirement like any of your other bills and then play around with what’s left over.
Budgets (formal or informal)!
- Have I covered all of my expenses? Yes.
- Have I properly funded my savings (retirement, emergency fund, other savings goals)? Yes.
- Do I have money left over? Yes!
Permission to spend granted!
Further before I buy something I’ll write it down on a list and essentially not buy it for a period of time (7 days? 30 days, a year?). I’ll come back to that list and gauge my interest again. Many, MANY times (most?) I don’t care about the thing anymore so I don’t spend the money.
Then I’ll usually try to get the cheaper version (possibly used) of the thing first to make sure it still holds my interest in using it before I would justify buying the more expensive one. So many times the cheaper version does everything I need and I never need to buy the expensive version. When I do exceed the capabilities of the cheap version, and it is still holding my interest, I can then justify spending on the expensive (new?) version. Example: I wanted a bicycle to ride around the neighborhood for fitness and enjoyment. I looked at higher end brands and models, but first I bought a $200 Big Box Store Schwinn. I’m still using that same bicycle 6 years later with no need to replace it. One note, about two years into ownership I took it to an actual bicycle store for a tune up. The cost was about $80, I think. I wish I had done that on day 1! The bike’s brakes worked much better and the gear shifting were MUCH improved! Prior to the service, I would regularly have the chain come off from bad shifts. The last time that happened was 3 years ago prior to the service.
I agree with te cooling off period. Although I might argue the length of time. If I wait a year to decide on something, I know it won’t have as much interest as it did before.
I think, personally, there’s a period of do it now or just don’t bother. For motorcycles I’d be hesitant to wait a year and then buy one, and try to learn. The lessons from the training are still fresh.
Thank you for the bike story. I’m glad you’re still enjoying the bike and getting use out of it!!
I agree with te cooling off period. Although I might argue the length of time. If I wait a year to decide on something, I know it won’t have as much interest as it did before.
Obviously I’m not talking about everything having a 1 year waiting period, such as a $10 video game from Steam, but I waited close to 3 years before I spent well over $50,000 on solar panels for the house. Some large things just need time to work the numbers or gauge the value.
Do I have the money ?
yes
Do I need to pay for something else with that money ?
no
Will I enjoy that new thing ?
yes
Let’s buy it
I appreciate the simplicity in this. I genuinely wish I could think like that… and not just for buying things.
Appreciate your perspective!!
I don’t usually do it, so when I do it it means that I really like that thing.
I make a simple calculation:
I divide X money over Y time.
I enjoy photography, and bough a fancy camera with a bonus at my last job.
In total I have probably spent 30k SEK on the camera and lenses, I bought it in early 2023, so let’s say that I have had a year and a half to enjoy it, that is 18 months
30k/18months is about 1.7k/month so far, and in return I got thousands of photos, some of which can be found here:
That is quite interesting. I didn’t do any long term calculations to see if I could identify a monthly spend.
I may do that for this situation and future projects. Thanks for bringing this up.
Also, your photos are great!! Is the metapixl instance federated in Pixelfed? I tried to look you up directly in the app I use and didn’t find anything.
Thank you for posting!!
Thank you for your kind words, I have used the “cost-per-time-index” for several years now, and it really helps to make up my mind.
Metapixl is indeed a pixelfed instance, I even use the standard pixelfed app on iOS…
Got it, I’ll take another look. It may be the instance I am in that is having the issue. If I find you, I’ll definitely follow you!
Thank you again!
Going to spend some time on your site! I so admire photographers. Skill I never tried to master, happy to see your work.
That’s still quite an investment. Not many people have 1.7k/month to spend on a hobby.
I don’t mean this as a criticism, of course, if you can afford it and it brings you joy then it’s worth it.
1.7K SEK is about 154€ EUR or 180$ USD.
So its not insane money. Still a bit, but not as bad as it may seem.
Ah, sorry, I did a default $£€ assumption! My bad!
Easy mistake to make, I debated doing a quick conversion to EUR or USD, but was tired and could not really be bothered, sorry for the confusion.
Don’t overthink it. Life is too short.
This is a pretty classic way of looking at things. I just can’t seem to get to that point.
Well, I work on an ambulance and every single day I interact with people that have regrets.
Don’t be one of those.
I will take this advice and try to be better about it. I can only imagine what you see / deal with in your line of work.
Thank you for doing what you do!!
🙂
But also: Don’t underthink it. Life is too long.
Not for me. I’m not sticking around all that much longer. I’m already past the time I thought I’d check out. Men in my family didn’t make it past 60. My brother made it 5 years ago. I’ve got 3 to go. And I’m not actively trying to extend life. Give me all the great food & beer I can manage. Cheers! 🍻
I truly hope you beat the stats and get to enjoy all the food / beer for can for a very long time!!
I’ve at least beat my father… He checked out at 56 in '89.
I give myself an allowance, just like when I was a kid. Whatever I spend it on is guilt free.