It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.
That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.
Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/
38 percent should go fuck themselves!
If this is true then 38% should be deported to texas and we can bring in more immigrants to take their place.
Canada post is a service not a business. It should never be privatized.
Unless it’s for packages does anyone really need junk-mail delivery every day?
Most stuff has like a month for paying off statements and whatnot.
hear me out - irl mails should be stay in the past. replace it with courier delivery
Have you not been paying attention?
Private service becomes popular by undercutting existing services -> existing services go away -> popular service jacks up the price and reduces feature set. Get ready to pay by the milligram for your fucking temu order.
Reduce mail to 3 days a week.
TBH, if it avoids privatization and saves money, I’d be happy getting mail even once a week. Nothing we get by mail is so urgent that a few extra days will destroy lives.
In cases where something is needed urgently, there’s courier, express mail, etc. as premium options. Regular “snail mail” isn’t meant to be fast.
UK enters the chat with mail delivery 2x a day
Well that’s the thing, in some places snail mail is fast. UK for instance has places with delivery twice a day, meaning you can “courier” items across a city same day. The post offices in Canada turned to crap as soon as they started hacking the service down.
Our neighbourhood changed to community mailbox, the CP truck would pass my house and drop a notice “sorry we missed you” into the community mailbox because the package wouldn’t fit in the mailbox. And then leave and pass my house again. Not really a mail delivery service more of a notification for pickup service.
UK for instance has places with delivery twice a day
WTF?? What mail do you guys get that you need it delivered twice a day???
I might get something “important” (i.e. from the government) maybe a few times a month. Bills are nearly all electronic. A few packages are delivered by Canada Post, but none are urgent enough to need even a daily delivery service.
Of course, I’m only speaking for myself. Maybe there are people who still get a ton of mail, but I can’t imagine it’s the majority.
My bad, the second delivery became a cleanup delivery to deliver what they forgot or didn’t get in in the morning.
True actual multi delivery stopped in the 50s.
The UK policy is six days a week and as expedient as possible. I’m sure that is changing slowly
When public services are kneecapped to be worse than their private equivalent then people stop using them and then they turn private.
Adding to the above, keep in mind that courier and express mail are useless if you live in small towns with distance to the nearest large city.
I’ve had express mail take longer to get to me than regular mail does simply because that’s how the system is set up.
I’d have no problem if urban mail took a week, while resources were used to make sure that rural service was more timely. But I also don’t know how much is spent on rural delivery vs. urban mail. I have a friend who works for Canada Post, maybe I should ask. LOL
This survey is dumb. $20/year to maintain postal service how? Through a subscription to a private company or through income tax to support the current implementation?
Interesting, if a bit tangential, that 72% support reducing delivery frequency while Canada Post is trying to increase delivery frequency by doing weekend deliveries.
Personally, I don’t understand how many things can be so urgent that it’s profitable to deliver as frequently as possible. Surely a single specialised courier for critically fast deliveries (e.g. life saving medicine) would entirely saturate the market.
Such a dumb and badly run country.
Every TTC subway stop should have a post office in it. The TTC should be run 24hrs a day. You should be able to pick up your package at the post office within the TTC subway stop easily.
Post offices within the GTHA really should be walking distance for most people. Go pick your package up somewhere close by, open 24hrs.
Putting post offices in Shoppers Drug Mart isn’t too bad, but it would be better if they where in 24hr donought shops.
We need to use community postal boxes more.
We need traffic cameras to automatically ticket couriers that block traffic.
We need to get ride of this ‘independent contractor’ nonsense. It’s a scam.
But for this to happen the Fed/Prov/City and Crown Corps all need to work together…so it’ll never happen.
That’s reducing mail delivery. I think everyone is on the same page about increasing package deliveries.
Packages aren’t mail? Fair enough, I guess I’m the odd one out there.
Everyone except for me might be on the same page about package deliveries, though I still don’t understand why they would be.
Isn’t that about the same percentage that vote conservative every election?
The original article contains some statistics by party, and yes, there is a correlation between voting Conservative and not wanting to fund Canada Post. Other correlations: rural people tend to support funding Canada Post, people who seldom or never receive mail tend not to. (The rural and Conservative tendencies are going to pull in opposite directions for a fair number of people.) I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that there’s also a correlation with income brackets, but they don’t seem to have collected that information.
In case anyone wants to see some of the breakdown.
Thereabouts but don’t be fooled, this number is spread across parties. Undoubtedly heavily weighted towards the conservative parties but if there’s a breakdown you’d probably see a non insignificant proportion in the other parties.
That’s a terrible fucking idea.
38% of people hate their communities, and want everyone but the wealthy to suffer for the crime of being poor.
A fair proportion of our population have been absolutely hoodwinked and brainwashed by the snake-oil promises of conservatism and capitalism, both of which serve only the wealthiest 1%.
38% of Canadians have obviously never used Purcolator, our last attempt at privatization.
And if you tried to use Purcolator and they couldn’t find your house for pickup, that counts.
“Purcolator” 😂
The postal service in Denmark was opened in 1624.
It was privatized in 2009. It will shut down at the end of 2025.
Classic capitalism. Peak efficiency
It’s a service, not a business.
Fuck
It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.
When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?
It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone.
Because it’s one of their revenue streams. Nationalize Canada Post, stop caring about revenue and stop delivering non-addressed mail.
Canada Post is already a crown corporation, but it is managed like a private corpo for whatever fucking weird reason.
Lots of private interests trying to get their greasy finger into Canada Post and suck it dry.
What about all the packages they deliver from all sorts of businesses around Canada and the world. Most of the stuff I order ships with CP. Just received some coffee from Montreal. This should be subsidized. If freight was more expensive I would be buying a lot less from small businesses across Canada.
The volume of packages is very low compared to letters. I work in a mail room. We send out upwards of 10,000 letters per day. We also send out packages but the number is fewer than 100.
That makes sense. It is probably different for a shop that ships products to people.
It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses
almost entirely consists of financial statements
When was the last time you
I can’t even remember
- 4 points
- 2 of them bad-faith arguments
- 0 of them pertinent to whether a consolidated mail service with a mandate to deliver mail from and two all Canadians (even if it’s not the profitable places) is something we need to preserve as a service; just like roads we all pay to maintain that go to places we don’t need to go to.
because
when is the last time you
- drove? 2 years ago
- rode a bus? 2 years ago
- used a school? 30+ years ago
- needed police? never so far
- needed an ambulance?
- needed a fireman? 38 years ago
But I still fucking pay for those! This is a society and we do that; don’t be selfish.
Financial statements can be sent electronically. We are literally creating huge volumes of paper, spending a ton of money and creating a ton of CO2 and other industrial waste, just to send a bit of information that could’ve been an email that most people just throw away without reading anyway.
Buses and roads are used by millions to get to work/school. Police are protecting you even if you never call them (countries without credible police are extremely dangerous; police have an extremely powerful deterrent effect against organized crime). Even if you’ve never driven or used a bus you’ve definitely eaten food that has travelled on a road multiple times before reaching you (unless you live on a commune out in the country in which case you probably shouldn’t be paying taxes for all that stuff).
Anyway the point wasn’t even that there shouldn’t be a postal service, just that we don’t need daily delivery. If we eliminated non-addressed mail and made all financial statements electronic then the postal workers would be driving empty vans around town every day. We could easily switch to weekly delivery without impacting service much at all.
I don’t agree with you on mail at all. Not everything can be emailed to you. My bills are emailed/texted to me… But I still get some finicial papers, forms, and letters sent via the mail. I also get packages still delivered via canada post. You can mail in election votes. I depend on it.
The point is: do you need that stuff delivered daily? Or would it be fine if it only came on Fridays?
You made it sound like you are for privatization. I am good getting my mail once a week. As long as it is free. I depend on it.
It’s not free. It’s never been free. It’s $1.23 per letter for mail. But that $1.23 is way below cost. Canada Post lost over a billion dollars in 2024. The question is who should pay for the shortfall?
I think big companies sending out all those financial statements and bills should be paying more for postage. Others around here seem to think taxpayers should be subsidizing their postage. That makes no sense to me! We’re talking about billion dollar corporations. Why do they need a subsidy to send people mail?
Fuck that biased title…
What do you mean?
You could have written 47% opposed privatizing some of Canada Post, the larger percentage of that group. By choosing the smaller opinion group, you make it seem like the support for privatizing some of our public service is actually the more popular opinion, when it is not.
If I saw “47% opposed privatization”, I’d be here complaining that the title is trying to make people think that the majority (53%) support privatization.
Then perhaps we all agree that quoting stats without the whole context present is misleading.
Yeah, maybe something like “Poll results on privatization of Canada Post”.
Interesting. I specifically wanted to highlight the worst case scenario - that the people who support privatization are just 38%. To me that’s the really important bit. But you so you.
